Keir Starmer

[Gnasher]

19 minutes ago, Numero said:

No, you're right; we haven't come out of lockdown every week. If we had, it would explain why they are seeing a bounce from Labour in every fuckin' poll every fuckin' week, man. But it isn't. 

Not defending Starmer or Labour but issues like when people are going to see their grandkids or go for a pint are foremost on the average brits mind because it directly affects their life. Unfortunately they seem to have forgotten the government clusterfuck and have given the credit to Johnson for the easing of lockdown rules.

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, Numero said:

Yeah, last point is a good point - it's generally not how I think as somebody who wanted to stay in the EU (not because I love it, but because the cost of leaving and the things we'd lose by leaving now that we were in it), but I'm sure some people who were anti-EU, which seems like more than even at the time of the Brexit vote, will see that and have some 'gawd bless Blighty' feelings.

It's not just that it's the people who voted out but then regretted it can now feel a little less dirty, it's given them an excuse, a get out clause. Don't think it'll last though. The one thing Mandelson said that was 100% correct in his interview the other day was things can change quickly, they always do, as Harold Wilson used to say "a weeks a long time in politics"

 

Saying all that tgem figures are a bit of a shocker.

[Bjornebye]

Stuff like that tweet just gives them more ammunition for deflection. 

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Stuff like that tweet just gives them more ammunition for deflection. 

Yeah it was fucking stupid really. They got a habit of putting their foot in it Labour.

[Scooby Dudek]

I think whilst the government are getting all the positive credit for the vaccine, they are currently taking non of the negative feeling on Covid itself. 

As someone who follows things, as people on here who post, we can see the lockdown too late, open too early and repeat, herd immunity agenda, keeping airports open as an island etc. Unfortunately, like most political items, most people don't follow day to day and just see the banner headlines. I am still getting "he did his best", "no one knew what was happening, so everyone would have made mistakes" etc. 

 

So gaining all the positives but receiving non of the negatives. When the inquiry starts and findings of failures and corruption are published then, depending on spin, they still may not receive any backlash for their failings, that will be the time to start worrying if the polls stay the same. If however the Tories face actually consequences for their failures then I would imagine the polls will narrow, as people realise daths could have been avoided. 

[Gnasher]

5 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

I think whilst the government are getting all the positive credit for the vaccine, they are currently taking non of the negative feeling on Covid itself. 

As someone who follows things, as people on here who post, we can see the lockdown too late, open too early and repeat, herd immunity agenda, keeping airports open as an island etc. Unfortunately, like most political items, most people don't follow day to day and just see the banner headlines. I am still getting "he did his best", "no one knew what was happening, so everyone would have made mistakes" etc. 

 

So gaining all the positives but receiving non of the negatives. When the inquiry starts and findings of failures and corruption are published then, depending on spin, they still may not receive any backlash for their failings, that will be the time to start worrying if the polls stay the same. If however the Tories face actually consequences for their failures then I would imagine the polls will narrow, as people realise daths could have been avoided. 

Not sure but I think theyve pushed the enquiry back to after the election.

[Bjornebye]

14 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Yeah it was fucking stupid really. They got a habit of putting their foot in it Labour.

Absolutely. Especially given the media bias. Boris Johnson could walk into an Early Learning Centre and set fire to all the toys but Diane Abbot has just been seen in Lewisham eating a kebab with her fingers. Guess what the Daily Mail is going with. 

[Ranxerox]

17 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Diane Abbot has just been seen in Lewisham eating a kebab with her fingers.

fucking hell what a nasty cunt

[Scooby Dudek]

31 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Not sure but I think theyve pushed the enquiry back to after the election.

[Denny Crane]

Starmers popularity tanking, a growing number of the electorate stating Labour are limp and don't know what they stand for. Oh the young disaffected, the nhs workers underwhelmed, the left full of apathy, the fbpe starting to pipe up. I could go on -  this suggests there is far more at play.

Many of us have said The 1997 Labour coalition is long gone but worrying for Starmer the 2017 coalition is gone as Labour chose a second referendum. The "they have nowhere to go" will surely be tested if Starmer, Mandelson and Dave Evans continue down the path they are on. 

[Gnasher]

Good move this..

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/14/rachel-reeves-to-consult-biden-team-on-labour-economic-offering?__twitter_impression=true

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Mad news about Wes Streeting. Diagnosed with kidney cancer. He's a bit of a knob, but you wouldn't wish that on anyone and he'll hopefully make a speedy recovery. They are confident as they have caught it early, apparently. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Dreadful news. Hope he beats that. 

[Scooby Dudek]

Wavertree CLP passed a motion of no confidence and called for his immediate resignation last night.

 

https://skwawkbox.org/2021/05/14/exclusive-liverpool-labour-members-vote-no-confidence-in-starmer/

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Scooby Dudek said:

Wavertree CLP passed a motion of no confidence and called for his immediate resignation last night.

Did he immediately resign? Just kidding. 

[Scooby Dudek]

Just now, Numero said:

Did he immediately resign? Just kidding. 

He went to, but failed miserably. 

Yeah.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Ao, essentially, nothing happened. Great stuff from Labour again. 

[Anubis]

Some knobheads started ‘Time For Blair’ on Twitter. You can guess how quickly it got hijacked.

[Numero Veinticinco]

7 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Some knobheads started ‘Time For Blair’ on Twitter. You can guess how quickly it got hijacked.

I could get behind Blair giving it a shot. 
 

[Scooby Dudek]

30 minutes ago, Numero said:

Ao, essentially, nothing happened. Great stuff from Labour again. 

Whilst not a big fan of Starmer I think it is absolute lunacy to start with motions of no confidence. We all know the circumstances surrounding the elections, especially the vaccine bounce, and the same people correctly condemning Corbyn not being given time by the PLP are now not giving Starmer time.

 

We had a leadership election, Starmer won, he must be given time and the current situation must be taken into account. 

I think this is wrong, just like I think removing the whip on Corbyn was wrong. 

[Captain Howdy]

He needs to start doing something soon though, he really has been underwhelming. You could say it’s a personality thing he just seems so, I dunno, wet.

[Mudface]

 

[Scooby Dudek]

2 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

He needs to start doing something soon though, he really has been underwhelming. You could say it’s a personality thing he just seems so, I dunno, wet.

I don't disagree with any of that, but as I said Covid slants everything. I would love him to attack, attack, attack but the narrative would be political point scoring. We need to find a way to define the narrative, but as well as Covid, Johnson really is teflon unfortunately, and that needs to be accounted for as well.

 

If come the summer we are "back to normal" he should be given a solid six months were he can go after them and get our message out, then you could legitimately call no confidence if he is still as far behind. Now and it just looks like you are wanting him to fail so you are right.*

 

 

 

 

* Obviously "you" in this context is not you.

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

He needs to start doing something soon though, he really has been underwhelming. You could say it’s a personality thing he just seems so, I dunno, wet.

It looks like he's got the choice of a rock and a hard place coming up very soon.  ie try hold an olive branch to the left or continue on the purge of the left which the old right wingers seem to advise. 

 

The one thing which I find a bit strange regarding Starmers leadership is he seems to sometimes act very hastily. He's a top of the tree lawyer and obviously very intelligent but his over zealous reaction to both the Corbyn letter and the Hartlepool by election backfired, not sure if that's down to his advisers though.

[Gnasher]

4 minutes ago, Mudface said:

 

I reckon Binface is Ken Livingston.