Keir Starmer

[Scooby Dudek]

Ironically the recent past when Labour had a leader who increased the membership and motivated young people, it was portrayed as a negative by the oh so independent thinkers who are now saying that is what we need.

 

[Bjornebye]

22 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

Which is why I said Labour are turd at politics, where is the fight and nastiness? Corbyn just let every fucker walk all over him, his lack of fight really pissed me off and Starmer is terrified of his own shadow. Milliband, miiliefandom, fuck off. You need ambitious nasty fuckers, Blair was ruthless and was backed up by proper switched on twats like Mandelson and Campbell who knew exactly how to play the game and twatted anybody who got in the way. That’s what it takes for Labour to win power. When will the penny drop?

Labour are turd at politics because they don't "Ignore, Lie and Deflect" ? 

[Captain Howdy]

3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Labour are turd at politics because they don't "Ignore, Lie and Deflect" ? 

I know, a politician that lies ignores and deflects, what a bizarre concept.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Captain Howdy said:

I know, a politician that lies ignores and deflects, what a bizarre concept.

Oh right. Nice one. 

[Jairzinho]

30 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Most of the aggression is focused at other members. At my last meeting some years ago now, I was shouted down as a "Zionist Blairite". We were talking about whether or not to organise a local litter pick. This is why people leave the party.  

Well, it's one of the reasons.

[Moo]

While I don't necessarily agree that Labour need a leader who lies, they certainly need a bit of scrapper who's capable of batting away the bullshit and who's not scared of calling out the Tories.

Starmer is pathetic.  Looking back it was really obvious but still you'd hope he'd grow into the role.  I wouldn't sack him after the local elections as let's face it Brexit will still be a vote winner.  But if he doesn't grow a backbone and go to town on the Tories once Covid had settled (fingers crossed) he needs binning off sharpish.

 

Which poster used to defend him all the time? Have they disappeared?

[The Guest]

1 hour ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

I think its this defeated, externalization blame the MSM narrative that will keep Labour in opposition for 15 years. Rather than studying and learning from what the tories are doing, the explanation for one of the biggest defeats in modern electoral history seems to be the MSM manipulates the thick racist proles and buys them off with flags and festivals. Its both incredibly defeatist and patronizing to the electorate. The party needs to stop blaming the media and learn the lessons of what happened. 80 seats is a massive majority to overturn and nothing will change as long as you blame the electorate for being too thick to see they are being manipulated. 

There was absolutely nothing defeatist about what I put at all in regards to the tories.  It was all unarguable facts which is why you’ve spun this into some weird argument with nobody.  When Labour had an actual left wing leader and left wing economic policies there was absolutely nothing defeatist about every single left wing person.  Hundreds of thousands of people joined Labour and tried to make it a reality and came very close to achieving it.  People are pissed off about Starmer and the current situation because he’s embarrassed a lot of soft lefties with his classic right wing of Labour Tory enabling behaviour and actual lefties know that the say they had under Corbyn has been removed permanently.  If there is defeatism it is around the supposed left party being corrupt and now impossible to transform into what it should be.  Tory’s can be beaten even with the tsunami of corrupt MSM behind them but it has to be with policies.

 

You’re a completely deluded Tory and you aren’t kidding anyone.  If I was to hazard a guess I reckon you’re actually a Southern Man U fan as well.  I honestly can’t imagine the level of brain dead you have to be to actually campaign for multi millionaires and billionaires to sort their mates out with massive amount of public money and think that people arguing against it are stupid and defeatist.  It’s actually genuinely hilarious.  If by some miracle you are actually a Liverpool fan I actually take pleasure out of how much it must wind you up to constantly hear about how it’s a socialist club from a socialist city and nobody wants tories at Anfield.

[Captain Howdy]

5 hours ago, Kepler-186 said:

 

Conservatives drive past poor areas and think thank God it’s them instead of me. 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

19 minutes ago, The Guest said:

There was absolutely nothing defeatist about what I put at all in regards to the tories.  It was all unarguable facts which is why you’ve spun this into some weird argument with nobody.  When Labour had an actual left wing leader and left wing economic policies there was absolutely nothing defeatist about every single left wing person.  Hundreds of thousands of people joined Labour and tried to make it a reality and came very close to achieving it.  People are pissed off about Starmer and the current situation because he’s embarrassed a lot of soft lefties with his classic right wing of Labour Tory enabling behaviour and actual lefties know that the say they had under Corbyn has been removed permanently.  If there is defeatism it is around the supposed left party being corrupt and now impossible to transform into what it should be.  Tory’s can be beaten even with the tsunami of corrupt MSM behind them but it has to be with policies.

 

You’re a completely deluded Tory and you aren’t kidding anyone.  If I was to hazard a guess I reckon you’re actually a Southern Man U fan as well.  I honestly can’t imagine the level of brain dead you have to be to actually campaign for multi millionaires and billionaires to sort their mates out with massive amount of public money and think that people arguing against it are stupid and defeatist.  It’s actually genuinely hilarious.  If by some miracle you are actually a Liverpool fan I actually take pleasure out of how much it must wind you up to constantly hear about how it’s a socialist club from a socialist city and nobody wants tories at Anfield.

 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

That plan to win back the "red wall" seats is going swimmingly... 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1376958312571342848

[Vincent Vega]

14 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

That plan to win back the "red wall" seats is going swimmingly... 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1376958312571342848

Just about to post that. No idea why Labour’s strategy is to try to appeal to these morons.

 

Here is an embedded version of the above.

 

[Bruce Spanner]

57 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

Just about to post that. No idea why Labour’s strategy is to try to appeal to these morons.

 

Here is an embedded version of the above.

 

 

Just seen this now, wow!

 

So Labour were quite far ahead in the polls pre vaccine in Nov, but fell behind post vaccine that tells us little apart from voting intention is volatile up there, but they have made gains from 2019 levels which is at least something.

 

Not sure how much stock we put in this, but what the fuck is in the water up there?

 

One bloke genuinely said 'Yes, I still support Alex, but we have Brexit to come and we need to fix the economy, but he's managed Brexit and done a good job with Covid and come out on top and a better man for it so I still support him' or words to that effect.

 

What the fuck do you say to that?

 

We are not seeing what they are seeing and I mean that in both the literal and figurative sense, madness.

 

 

[Jairzinho]

1 hour ago, Vincent Vega said:

Just about to post that. No idea why Labour’s strategy is to try to appeal to these morons.

 

Here is an embedded version of the above.

 

Tragic.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Youre not in power at the very least be an opposition.

Aah! That takes me back to shouting at the telly when Ed Miliband was on.

[Section_31]

I still can't fathom why northerners vote Tory. I understand why middle class southerners do, as that part of England is essentially a different country. They can't understand my view of the Tories just like I can't understand their view of them, because we're seeing completely different pictures.

 

My mate's sister and her family moved from Hoylake to Kent recently. The two girls had left uni a couple of years back (no pics or gtfo) and couldn't get jobs. Within 10 weeks of moving down there one was at Ugg and the other was at Hugo Boss. 

 

People don't value the state if they don't need it, they need it less if there's the opportunity to not only just survive, but live. In those situations, you look around you and think life is pretty fucking good and you should be able to keep more of your HARD EARNED TAXES!!! Rather it not be spent subsidising the WIDRSCREEN TVs!!!! Of northern scroungers who can't even feed their kids (my nan was from the East End and used to feed the street with a pan of Stew. Alan Sugar etc etc).

 

None of them will countenance that there's gross, systemic, built in inequality dictating your life chances from before your even born though because it detracts from their sense of achievement. 

 

This kind of thinking has crept North, but the difference down there is at least you've got something to show for it. You probably are actually quite well paid and your kids are too, meanwhile the new breed of Tory stormtrooper up in these parts are probably working in credit control for BT Openreach and make barely enough to cover the nut on their Redrow two bed.

[Bjornebye]

Pics or GTFO

[Anubis]

5 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Pics or GTFO

[Neil G]

On 28/03/2021 at 11:27, Bruce Spanner said:

 

The mandate for him was there with the victory and the legacy candidate being swept aside, he said something along the lines of he'd keep the values, which is disigenuous, but as I said above we have to wait and see post plague where we are, the world is significantly different than it was a year or so ago. Is a year too early to judge him under normal circumstances, no, but during this, perhaps we need a return to normality before giving it both barrels. He has got some things very wrong though, don't treat this as a defence, more a level headed look at it.

 

The bolded, we agree, though I think it's down to naivety, being pulled all the shop by factions, focus groups and other vested interests all shouting louder than needs be. He's a rabbit in the headlights when put on the spot as he doesn't know what he should say or be seen to be saying. He's just lost, and visably so, and needs to find something quickly or he's done. Is he strong enough to do this, perhaps not, but there is a dearth of options and that's a very real concern. One side are plotting for McDonnnell the other Reeves/Cooper and that's the last thing we need, another 'us' vs 'them' battle. Starmer came in saying he'd unify and he has failed I don't think that's unfair to say.

 

A report came out this morning bemoaning the lack of leadership and guidance on policy and frontline, yet applauding all the stuff going on behind the scenes, it's just depressing that we are just making no real movement, gains or real impact against this mob across the benches in what is the worst iteration of them, possibly, ever and this has to be on him and his team for the decisions they have made.

 

I think the May locals are a potential disaster waiting to happen and Hartlepool a strong indicator of where we're at as a country, but where we go from there if it's worst case scenario I have no idea. For the first time in a very long time I feel hopeless when it comes to the political landscape in the UK and that's not on Starmer, though he plays his role, it's all of it. Labour are toxic, the tories are toxic, the system is toxic, the media is toxic and most worringly the public, well a large percentage of them, are fucking toxic. 

 

He said he’d do more than keep the values of Corbynism. He made ten specific, explicit pledges to the membership about policies and party management, most of which he’s either been silent on or broken since winning the leadership.

 

https://keirstarmer.com/plans/10-pledges/

 

His leadership pitch was essentially the 2017 manifesto with more competence and less baggage, which most Corbyn supporting members would have been happy with if he’d stuck to it, and which could have been a winning offer to the electorate. Even if he didn’t really believe it as a matter of conviction, if he’d pitched it to the public with the same gusto that he sold it to the membership, he’d be in a much better place right now.

 

Instead he’s thrown his lot in with the right of the party, for reasons best known to himself. Maybe he really thinks a left platform is a vote loser and was flat out lying during the leadership contest, or maybe he’s scared that the right will torpedo him if he sticks to it. Whatever the reason, because he’s ditched it he has no alternative narrative to fall back on apart from “I’m not Corbyn and I love Britain”, which is why he’s flailing and directionless.

 

I don’t see it changing until the pandemic is over. Maybe then he’ll feel compelled to start articulating some kind of programme for government, instead of putting everything into critiquing the government’s Covid response, which just isn’t cutting through any more, if indeed it ever was.

[Strontium]

4 hours ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

At my last meeting some years ago now, I was shouted down as a "Zionist Blairite". We were talking about whether or not to organise a local litter pick.

 

Yeah, but didn't you know that clean parks are a Jewish conspiracy.

[Scooby Dudek]

NIP want;

 

UBI

Legalise weed

Referendum on the monarchy

Energy and Water under public control

 

[Bruce Spanner]

Really balanced piece on Today (R4) this morning about his year as leader, well worth a listen to position what has been positive and the raft of negatives.

 

@Neil G I think we covered ideas about the 'promises' before and I agree to a degree that it was disengenous, but we'll have to see where the policy lines are drawn soon. If he tramples over them, as I said before, fuck him. If compromises need to be made that's politics. If this would have been a normal year and we were approaching the one year mark and he'd done what he'd done I would have been front and centre with a pitchfork, but these are not normal times.

 

On the direction point I have no idea, but feel he's naive and being pulled all over by factions, think tanks and other assorted nonsense, but all the noise I hear from HQ is that they're fine with it, things are getting done, people are being listened to. I think the worst aspects can be seen in the almost schizophrenic response to things, like BLM and protests, mad, disjointed chasing his tail flailing looking to be seen to say the right thing. Whatever team he's put together are not looking out for him at all and I think as a start serious questions need to be asked here.

 

I think we're going over old ground now though so will reconvene when something else terrible happens!

 

Always a pleasure.

[The Guest]

39 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

The actual objection was that by cleaning up our own neighbourhood we were undermining the street cleaners jobs. 

I don’t think even SD believes a word of any of this complete horseshit.  He will play along though.  Pair of tories.

[Gooch]

Yes, your views wildly conflict with my echo chamber so it must not be true.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

10 hours ago, Scooby Dudek said:

NIP want;

 

UBI

Legalise weed

Referendum on the monarchy

Energy and Water under public control

 

But only for Northern England. 

[Strontium]

2 hours ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

The actual objection was that by cleaning up our own neighbourhood we were undermining the street cleaners jobs. 

 

I vaguely recall Barry Kent utilising similar logic as justification for littering in one of the Adrian Mole books.

 

Good to see the philosophical basis underpinning today's socialist movement is as strong as ever.