Keir Starmer

[Denny Crane]

 

 

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

So has this decision come from London or is it Liverpool Labour doing this?

[Bruce Spanner]

3 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

So has this decision come from London or is it Liverpool Labour doing this?

 

Nothing official as yet, but here's the latest speculation...

 

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/news-opinion/chaos-confusion-labour-mayor-selection-19897923

 

The first results in the 'Libel' cases are also due later today, could be another absolute clusterfuck of a day.

[sir roger]

Seems it was an NEC decision  , but was there guidance , who knows ?

 

Just read that the 3rd person disqualified is the acting mayor at the moment so gets even odder.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

At least it's good to have the adults back in charge again though, eh? 

[Scooby Dudek]

4 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

At least it's good to have the adults back in charge again though, eh? 

Indeed, unlike those anti democratic lefts who want to bring in mandatory open selection, that just wouldn't do as it would cause chaos and uncertainty 

[Scooby Dudek]

The candidates involved didn't have a clue either. 

Anecdotal but on Sunday I received a cold call from a Labour party member and supporter of one of the candidates, can't remember which one. Asked if I had thought about who I was going to back and had I received any literature (all of them had sent stuff in the post). 

Basically said, once I heard suspended and re interviews I stopped reading as no point. Caller stated, it is just suspended (this is after their Friday interview) and all will be back to normal on Monday, obviously this is not the case. 

 

[TheDrowningMan]

 

Maybe they’ve a “big beast” who wants a comeback...

Chuka4Liverpool?

(R)Ed Balls?

 

[Jairzinho]

47 minutes ago, TheDrowningMan said:

 

Maybe they’ve a “big beast” who wants a comeback...

Chuka4Liverpool?

(R)Ed Balls?

 

[Bruce Spanner]

I know the Squarkbox has a rep for being mad, but this is fucking insane.

 

So, it turns out Keith isn't the power broker in this and isn't 'right wing' enough, so 'they', the incidious 'right wing' plan a coup that makes it look like he's purging. This leads to them consolidating power for their, as yet unnamed, candidate who will challenge for the leadership in the near future and consolidate power in the North.

 

Throwing terms like 'mafia' around gives it extra credence for me

 

Now, I'm not saying it doesn't have holes...

 

'The SKWAWKBOX earlier announced the breaking news that the Labour party had barred all three shortlisted women candidates from the party’s selection process to stand for Labour in May’s mayoral election. A right-stacked panel had made the decision and emailed members without even informing the prospective candidates.

One of the three had come under scrutiny over connections to a firm with unaccounted cash income and outgoings and which had awarded £20,000 to an organisation that then used it to employ her daughter. But the decision to bar all the candidates – including the popular left-winger Anna Rothery, who would have become the UK’s first black woman mayor if selected – has provoked outrage among Labour members and anti-racism activists in Liverpool and around the country.

 

Now, the SKWAWKBOX can reveal that the decision to abort the process and rule out Rothery has been driven by an ‘unholy alliance’ of right-wingers with the north-west ‘fixers’ who have previously been referred to as a Labour ‘mafia’ because of their tactics in stacking selection contests in favour of their preferred candidates – and a prominent Labour figure with designs on the party’s national leadership position.

One insider told SKWAWKBOX:

 

It’s a coalition of anti-socialist interests. The right was spooked at the thought of a Corbynite Mayor and got into bed with people who style themselves left but are all about building their own power base, a real unholy alliance. When they realised they were not going to be able to get their favourite through, they decided to set fire to the whole thing and start again and to hell with the racism it shows or the reputational damage it will cause the candidates or the party.

 

Another corroborated the information:

The right didn’t want Rothery, especially after she came out for Jeremy [Corbyn]’s reinstatement. And the mafia linked to [MP with leadership ambitions] saw their own pick was blown and had never been as popular as they’d assumed in the first place. With all those sour grapes and a plan B candidate in their pocket, they blew the whole thing up.

The ‘mafia’ group is believed to have alternative candidates lined up that they hope to force through in the re-started shortlisting process – while the Labour right wants to run down the clock by delaying the process until the mayoral election is so close that the now right-dominated National Executive Committee (NEC) can impose a candidate to their liking.

 

The ‘mafia’ group has increasingly been building alliances with factions who backed Yvette Cooper for the leadership in 2015 and Lisa Nandy in 2019/20. Its aim is to turn the north-west into a power-base ready for when a senior, notionally-‘soft left’ MP with whom the group is closely aligned launches a bid for the national party leadership.

 

The interests and wishes of Labour members in Liverpool are of no relevance to the people involved in these manoeuvres.'

 

 

[The Guest]

I don’t know what all you conspiracy nuts are on about.  This is all perfectly fine and has no influence of the right wing of Labour stifling democracy again.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Rothery is going "legal." 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/LiamThorpECHO/status/1364256405105102860

[Captain Howdy]

5 hours ago, Rushies tash said:

10 years of Blair saw voter turnout go down year on year. Perhaps people felt that a centrist Labour no longer represented them? In steps Farage banging on about 'elites' to fill the vacuum and bingo! Brexit!

Never ceases to amaze me this argument. Say what you want about the man, everybody does, but he won three General Elections on the spin and was never defeated. Labour have only won 8 in their entire history, indeed it will be ( at the very least and very likely more) half a century since a Labour leader not called Tony Blair won a GE and yet the left paint him as some kind of failure, yet every time Labour stand on a left wing platform they are defeated time and again, the lack of self awareness is staggering. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

Sound like an easy job being Mayor. Good income, do fuck all but schmooze.

[Bruce Spanner]

27 minutes ago, The Guest said:

I don’t know what all you conspiracy nuts are on about.  This is all perfectly fine and has no influence of the right wing of Labour stifling democracy again.

 

You know what, not tonight, it's been a long day.

 

Enjoy the arguments.

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

38 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Rothery is going "legal." 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/LiamThorpECHO/status/1364256405105102860

 

[Rushies tash]

18 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

Never ceases to amaze me this argument. Say what you want about the man, everybody does, but he won three General Elections on the spin and was never defeated. Labour have only won 8 in their entire history, indeed it will be ( at the very least and very likely more) half a century since a Labour leader not called Tony Blair won a GE and yet the left paint him as some kind of failure, yet every time Labour stand on a left wing platform they are defeated time and again, the lack of self awareness is staggering. 

Labour under John Smith were already popular and would more than likely have won the 1997 election anyway. Blair is never painted as a failure - how could he be? As you say, his Labour party won 3 elections. What annoys me is the suggestion that the public reject left wing policies. In blind tests during the 2007 elections (I believe it was) the public were overwhelmingly in favour of Labour's manifesto. It was only when they were told it was anything to do with Corbyn that they had second thoughts. And there's the thing. The public reject the left, not because they are inherently right wing, they do it because they are told to by the shitty papers they read, or increasingly, the coverage the left get on the likes of the bbc. So we're stuck with a choice between right wing and (because apparently it makes you 'electable' and 'a proper opposition') not quite so right wing - throwing traditional Labour voters a bone now and then with Surestart or the minimum wage, but mostly keeping vested interests happy with privatisation, tuition fees, academisation, and deregulation. I'd still vote for the latter, but its a shitty choice.

[Denny Crane]

50 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Rothery is going "legal." 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/LiamThorpECHO/status/1364256405105102860

Starmer taking his jobs, jobs, jobs, campaign a bit far. By 2023 all legal people will be suing or involved in proceedings for or against the Labour party.

[Captain Howdy]

11 minutes ago, Rushies tash said:

Labour under John Smith were already popular and would more than likely have won the 1997 election anyway. Blair is never painted as a failure - how could he be? As you say, his Labour party won 3 elections. What annoys me is the suggestion that the public reject left wing policies. In blind tests during the 2007 elections (I believe it was) the public were overwhelmingly in favour of Labour's manifesto. It was only when they were told it was anything to do with Corbyn that they had second thoughts. And there's the thing. The public reject the left, not because they are inherently right wing, they do it because they are told to by the shitty papers they read, or increasingly, the coverage the left get on the likes of the bbc. So we're stuck with a choice between right wing and (because apparently it makes you 'electable' and 'a proper opposition') not quite so right wing - throwing traditional Labour voters a bone now and then with Surestart or the minimum wage, but mostly keeping vested interests happy with privatisation, tuition fees, academisation, and deregulation. I'd still vote for the latter, but its a shitty choice.

“Likely” doesn’t mean anything, look I’m not right wing by any stretch of the imagination and although I don’t vote I would always lean towards any Labour Govt over a Tory one, however facts have to be faced, this is a Tory country and it pretty much always has been, constantly blaming Murdoch is just a cop out and more creative thinking is needed, Blair always knew this. All this Corbyn worship and waving Palestinian flags will end in eternal failure over and over again. That’s my view anyway but with all that said I think Starmer has been a disappointment and he faces an uphill task winning the next election, I just don’t see him doing it.

[The Guest]

7 hours ago, mattyq said:

What's it like being a cultist?

Do you have a shrine, regular prayers, incense etc or go in for the more esoteric... self flagellation, speaking in tongues and death to dissenters?

A cultist for what? Labour? Corbyn? Socialism?  Did I strike a nerve or something?  Any criticism of Sir Starmer and his blind acolytes seems to invoke this response.  I’ll happily criticise the problems with Labour and Corbyn if you want to get down to it.

 

Labour are absolutely finished as is Corbyn and socialism in this country.  Corbyn could have revolutionised politics in this country but shit his undies at the crucial stage.  I’ll happily say that about him.  Hundreds of thousands of people joined the party because he was the first person in decades to offer a genuine left wing Labour.  His personality and morals were a genuine breath of fresh air to see.  The fact he didn’t lower himself to the behaviour of the right wing cunts in the party just made him even more likeable.  His problem was that he didn’t have the balls to follow through and help all the activists and members by making the party actually democratic and at the end of the day that was the most important thing he needed to do.  He didn’t and this shitfest is the result.  This is the only beginning as well.  I’m sure some liberal Starmer arse licker will be along with a zinger about winning elections being the most important thing but we’ve Labour right won before and it didn’t stop the change of direction of the country 

 

Anyone with any brain in their head can see what Labour has turned into with the vice like grip right wing liberals have had over the party for decades.  They slipped up and gave the left an opportunity.  A lot of the left would call it victim blaming but Corbyn should have followed through with Mandatory open selection.  He sacrificed it for the short term to try to win the election.  They lost it anyway and in turn lost control of the party forever back to these fucking slimeballs and you’ve got muppets like yourself lapping it up.

[Rushies tash]

13 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

“Likely” doesn’t mean anything, look I’m not right wing by any stretch of the imagination and although I don’t vote I would always lean towards any Labour Govt over a Tory one, however facts have to be faced, this is a Tory country and it pretty much always has been, constantly blaming Murdoch is just a cop out and more creative thinking is needed, Blair always knew this. All this Corbyn worship and waving Palestinian flags will end in eternal failure over and over again. That’s my view anyway but with all that said I think Starmer has been a disappointment and he faces an uphill task winning the next election, I just don’t see him doing it.

Blair knew it and curried favour with the likes of Murdoch by moving the party to the right to become 'electable'. As soon as that happened, the favourable headlines and coverage started. Which is my point (and I think yours) - get the blessing of the right wing media ownership and you're sorted.

[Megadrive Man]

18 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

“Likely” doesn’t mean anything, look I’m not right wing by any stretch of the imagination and although I don’t vote I would always lean towards any Labour Govt over a Tory one, however facts have to be faced, this is a Tory country and it pretty much always has been, constantly blaming Murdoch is just a cop out and more creative thinking is needed, Blair always knew this. All this Corbyn worship and waving Palestinian flags will end in eternal failure over and over again. 

 

If it's just a cop out, how come a Leader that hasn't been backed by the Murdoch media hasn't won an election in over 40 years?

Even now under the worst possible government imaginable the narrative is largely positive towards them.

 

To Corbyns credit, the 40% of the vote he achieved in 2017 is probably the closest we will see to somebody actually winning against them.

[Captain Howdy]

I don’t know how old you are ( not being condescending I just honestly don’t know) and yes Blair was aware of the importance placating the right wing media but Murdoch could never have stopped Blair in a million years no matter what stance he took. His march towards power was relentless and unstoppable.

[Rushies tash]

2 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

I don’t know how old you are ( not being condescending I just honestly don’t know) and yes Blair was aware of the importance placating the right wing media but Murdoch could never have stopped Blair in a million years no matter what stance he took. His march towards power was relentless and unstoppable.

I was old enough to vote for Labour in 1997, but then not to bother after that - as soon as they introduced tuition fees, before the confetti had even settled. You might be right about the influence of the right wing media in that election, but you can't deny it's a factor in shaping the opinion of the nation. Bendy bananas anyone?

[Captain Howdy]

7 minutes ago, Rushies tash said:

I was old enough to vote for Labour in 1997, but then not to bother after that - as soon as they introduced tuition fees, before the confetti had even settled. You might be right about the influence of the right wing media in that election, but you can't deny it's a factor in shaping the opinion of the nation. Bendy bananas anyone?

I think Blair’s Government did some wonderful things, certainly not perfect but I’m 56 and they are easily the best Government I’ve ever known in my life time and he’s easily the best PM. Iraq will always define him but domestically I think he was about as good as you’re going to get, that the left utterly despise him, even more than any Tory maybe even Thatcher, baffles me.