Keir Starmer

[Numero Veinticinco]

2 minutes ago, Harry's Lad said:

For me, they should have the run down estates with a slogan for that, Grenfell with other tower blocks with fix the cladding slogans, empty factories and shops with slogans showing the state of the country, run down schools, lack of computers with accompanying slogans and so on.

Really ram it down the throats of people so they can see the way these bastards have tried to destroy the social fabric of the country in favour of profit for themselves and their friends at the expense of the people, and show them at every opportunity.

Never mind the Fucking flag.

There's nothing stopping them doing both. Part of being patriotic is surely recognising the issues and fixing them. MBGA. Own it. 

 

For the avoidance of doubt, I don't actually think he should be Trump. 

[Gnasher]

7 minutes ago, Harry's Lad said:

For me, they should have large graphics of the run down estates with a slogan for that, Grenfell with other tower blocks with fix the cladding slogans, empty factories and shops with slogans showing the state of the country, run down schools, lack of computers with accompanying slogans and so on.

Really ram it down the throats of people so they can see the way these bastards have tried to destroy the social fabric of the country in favour of profit for themselves and their friends at the expense of the people, and show them at every opportunity.

Never mind the fucking flag.

I think Labour won a vote on cladding last night. I'm not 100% sure though 

[Rushies tash]

2 minutes ago, Numero said:

I was agreeing with you. It's all a bit silly. It's every little thing, isn't it. Says this thing, does that thing, report about this thing and it's the end of the world and he's a right wing mental case or something. It's all so boring. 

I actually agree with you - it is a popularity contest and if there's one thing the Tories have shown us in elections is that they'll say anything to win. If Labour get elected doing all this, then happy days. However, I think many people are rightly concerned that appealing to people who have moved to the right will result in a more right wing manifesto. I doubt that will happen, but that's why Starmer is treated with some trepidation among the left.

[sir roger]

All bar one of the centrist members suspended pending the Forde enquiry have been quietly readmitted although the enquiry is not completed. Plenty of space for them mind with the gaps left by the leftist members thrown out for minor or unspecified reasons.

[Numero Veinticinco]

 

Ministers must set up a national task force to “get a grip on the deepening cladding crisis” after the Grenfell Tower fire, Labour said last night.

The party will force a vote in the Commons today calling for robust protections to prevent leaseholders bearing the cost of replacing unsafe cladding. Sir Keir Starmer said there had to be “a turning point” for the 700,000 trapped in dangerous homes and three million with unsellable flats.

 

 

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/flat-owners-trapped-by-cladding-crisis-after-grenfell-tower-fire-feel-abandoned-cpp90m25p

[Harry's Lad]

2 minutes ago, Numero said:

There's nothing stopping them doing both. Part of being patriotic is surely recognising the issues and fixing them. MBGA. Own it. 

I'm not patriotic. There's nothing great about Great Britain and there won't be until the social and economic problems are sorted.

The flag is a symbol of a lot of the things wrong these days.

Just my opinion.

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Harry's Lad said:

I'm not patriotic. There's nothing great about Great Britain and there won't be until the social and economic problems are sorted.

The flag is a symbol of a lot of the things wrong these days.

Just my opinion.

 

I think there's a load of Great things about Britain, but it's quite difficult to see them unless you judge it comparatively against other nations. I also think there's a fuck load wrong with Britain and a load more that needs to be improved and changed. But still, it's not actually about whether it's great or not, it's about winning votes. Without winning votes, I know that things won't change. It'll be more Tories. 

[Stickman]

28 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Deffo would 

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 minutes ago, Rushies tash said:

I actually agree with you - it is a popularity contest and if there's one thing the Tories have shown us in elections is that they'll say anything to win. If Labour get elected doing all this, then happy days. However, I think many people are rightly concerned that appealing to people who have moved to the right will result in a more right wing manifesto. I doubt that will happen, but that's why Starmer is treated with some trepidation among the left.

Some of the left, not all of us. I treat him with a blank slate until he brings out policies. If they're wank, he can get screwed. If they're good, then I'm pleased. I do think he needs to be smart to win an election, so a flag here or a talk about the military there or a new suit over there? I honestly couldn't give a fuck. I want the Tories gone. Corbyn showed that being a bloke from the allotment isn't going to cut it. No matter how righteous you may or may not be, if you can't get votes then you're pointless when your objective is to get your policies in place.

 

I get what you're saying, and people are more than welcome to be trepidacious, but there's being wary of a guy and then overeating about every little thing, trumping it up into 'this is aggressive, war mongering patriotism' style insults based on an article saying a thing about a leak we've not seen. I dunno, I just can't be bothered with all that nonsense. 

 

 

[Megadrive Man]

50 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

Do they honestly believe they can out-Tory the Tories? I voted for Starmer as leader but I’ve been having major doubts recently and this kind of shit is just depressing.

 

I didn't vote for Starmer, I reluctantly voted Long-Bailey, but by the time the results were announced I was relieved as I felt that he was the most electable and Starmer had convinced me that he could unite the party.

 

He's in real danger of  completely alienating everybody though, similar to the way that May did when she was Tory Leader. 

 

He's pissing off the unions, he's pissing off the members and he doesn't seem to be attracting any doners.

 

Some of my friends that were initially impressed with him are now calling him captain hindsight and think he comes across an insincere.  Looking at the current Labour party I don't see any stand out Leadership candidates though. 

  

[Harry's Lad]

5 minutes ago, Numero said:

I think there's a load of Great things about Britain, but it's quite difficult to see them unless you judge it comparatively against other nations. I also think there's a fuck load wrong with Britain and a load more that needs to be improved and changed. But still, it's not actually about whether it's great or not, it's about winning votes. Without winning votes, I know that things won't change. It'll be more Tories. 

Winning votes is exactly my point. I just don't think copying the Tories and having a fucking big flag next to you when you're talking is the way to do it.

 

Starmer needs to be far more forceful and take the bastards on, head on.

Show the electorate the fuck ups the Tories are making and keep showing them. Be relentless and ram the message home.

Show Johnson up for the incompetent tit he is.

 

It's the only way we'll get rid of them.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Harry's Lad said:

Winning votes is exactly my point. I just don't think copying the Tories and having a fucking big flag next to you when you're talking is the way to do it.

 

Starmer needs to be far more forceful and take the bastards on, head on.

Show the electorate the fuck ups the Tories are making and keep showing them. Be relentless and ram the message home.

Show Johnson up for the incompetent tit he is.

 

It's the only way we'll get rid of them.

I think we're on different wavelengths on this one. There's absolutely a time and a place for forceful and head on. There's also a time when that sort of stuff turns away voters in droves. 

[Rushies tash]

6 minutes ago, Numero said:

Some of the left, not all of us. I treat him with a blank slate until he brings out policies. If they're wank, he can get screwed. If they're good, then I'm pleased. I do think he needs to be smart to win an election, so a flag here or a talk about the military there or a new suit over there? I honestly couldn't give a fuck. I want the Tories gone. Corbyn showed that being a bloke from the allotment isn't going to cut it. No matter how righteous you may or may not be, if you can't get votes then you're pointless when your objective is to get your policies in place.

 

I get what you're saying, and people are more than welcome to be trepidacious, but there's being wary of a guy and then overeating about every little thing, trumping it up into 'this is aggressive, war mongering patriotism' style insults based on an article saying a thing about a leak we've not seen. I dunno, I just can't be bothered with all that nonsense. 

 

 

I fucked Twitter off partly because I was stuck in a left wing echo chamber and it eventually got on my tits because I'm a little more pragmatic by nature. There are many who will never accept Starmer, but I'd rather anyone but the Tories. It still pisses me off though, that to get elected in this country you have to kiss the arse of the little Englanders and white van men - but I've learned to live with it.

[Megadrive Man]

Just now, Harry's Lad said:

Winning votes is exactly my point. I just don't think copying the Tories and having a fucking big flag next to you when you're talking is the way to do it.

 

Starmer needs to be far more forceful and take the bastards on, head on.

Show the electorate the fuck ups the Tories are making and keep showing them. Be relentless and ram the message home.

Show Johnson up for the incompetent tit he is.

 

It's the only way we'll get rid of them.

 

Exactly. 

 

Every time a Labour MP is on any form of media they need to constantly be saying that The Tories have failed to keep the country safe and wrecked the economy.  

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

4 minutes ago, Rushies tash said:

I fucked Twitter off partly because I was stuck in a left wing echo chamber and it eventually got on my tits because I'm a little more pragmatic by nature. There are many who will never accept Starmer, but I'd rather anyone but the Tories. It still pisses me off though, that to get elected in this country you have to kiss the arse of the little Englanders and white van men - but I've learned to live with it.

Agreed mate. It's gross, but it's a representative democracy where each vote is worth the same. 

[Rushies tash]

8 minutes ago, Numero said:

Agreed mate. It's gross, but it's a representative democracy where each vote is worth the same. 

I'd love a left wing, socialist government in this country with a principled and charismatic leader. I'd also like a full head of hair and a big cock too, but I don't think either are going to happen. Everything has to pass through the prism of our right wing media, and if Keir Starmer is the closest I can realistically get to this (government not cock) then that's how it has to be. As I said, focusing on the shit show that the Tories have presided over would be my ideal strategy, ramming it down everyone's throat at every opportunity (being on message is something that the Tories do very well) but I doubt that will happen. I think Starmer will try to get in as being slightly more capable and slightly less shit than the Tories. It's all a bit underwhelming but a means to an end I suppose.

[Harry's Lad]

23 minutes ago, Numero said:

I think we're on different wavelengths on this one. There's absolutely a time and a place for forceful and head on. There's also a time when that sort of stuff turns away voters in droves. 

It seems to be working for the Tories mate.

Little sound bites and derogatory names like Captain Hindsight for example.

 

Don't get me wrong, I voted for Starmer and Rayner for the leader and deputy and I know Starmer is far more clever than Johnson, but PMQ's for example, Starmer puts a well thought out and delivered question, Johnson waffles and the same thing happens through all six questions apart from the last one where Johnson comes out with his favourite "are schools safe" or Captain Hindsight jibe.

The speaker does fuck all about Johnson not answering and all we hear from news outlets is Johnson's shite.

 

He can't be allowed to keep ducking the questions. Starmer needs to show the public he means business and give them someone to stand behind.

[Bruce Spanner]

Isn't this nice, it seems we all want Labour to win again?

 

That's the spirit.

[sir roger]

It's all got a whiff of deja vu from the early 'tennies' , we've even got Rachel Reeves primed to go in the cabinet alongside a stack of the other austerity abstaIners.

[skend04]

10 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Isn't this nice, it seems we all want Labour to win again?

 

That's the spirit.

We all do but it's just a bit depressing realising how cretinous so many parts of the country are and what the party might have to do to win the voters over. The one part that makes me chuckle is where Labour are seen as the party of spend spend spend. Without a hint of irony, at a point in time when the Tories are spending spending spending, straight into the pockets of their mates.

[Megadrive Man]

1 hour ago, Harry's Lad said:

It seems to be working for the Tories mate.

Little sound bites and derogatory names like Captain Hindsight for example.

 

Don't get me wrong, I voted for Starmer and Rayner for the leader and deputy and I know Starmer is far more clever than Johnson, but PMQ's for example, Starmer puts a well thought out and delivered question, Johnson waffles and the same thing happens through all six questions apart from the last one where Johnson comes out with his favourite "are schools safe" or Captain Hindsight jibe.

The speaker does fuck all about Johnson not answering and all we hear from news outlets is Johnson's shite.

 

He can't be allowed to keep ducking the questions. Starmer needs to show the public he means business and give them someone to stand behind.

 

If a Labour lead government was overseeing this current shit show, you could guarantee that the Tories would be constantly laying in to them and hammering the message home so that they were forced out of power at the next election. 

[Harry's Lad]

17 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

 

If a Labour lead government was overseeing this current shit show, you could guarantee that the Tories would be constantly laying in to them and hammering the message home so that they were forced out of power at the next election. 

It boils my piss that Starmer isn't going for the jugular as there are so many things that warrant it.

 

Granted he has made inroads on the approval ratings, but they're always going to fluctuate considering how close they are now.

 

Steal a march and show them up for what they are and beat them at their own game.

 

[Moo]

There was an argument for Starmer not going for the jugular earlier on, but not now. The government is repeating mistake after mistake after mistake, there's no excuse for going soft on them.  Think Kier's just a little bit pathetic.

[Vincent Vega]

They did this before the flag shagging stuff came out.

 

[Strontium]

The perception of Corbyn, rightly or wrongly, was that he hated this country and what it stood for, and his consorting with or otherwise giving succour to our enemies (Russia, Iran, the IRA, islamists etc) was presented as evidence for that. It scared a lot of people off, even if they were broadly supportive of Labour's political agenda.

 

Whoever followed Corbyn needed to show he wasn't an existential threat to our way of life; Starmer wrapping himself in the Union Jack may irritate some, but it will be popular with the people he needs to appeal to.