Keir Starmer

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Has anyone got a clue what Starmer's plan is? All I can think is he's trying to shape the Labour Party into something a bit more palatable for the racist, right-wing tax-dodging billionaires who own the newspapers, while sitting back for 4 years, watching the Tories make such an unholy mess that the papers will want a (cosmetic) change in 2024.

 

I hope I'm wrong. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

She tweeted this

 

 

 

 

She is a cunt. 

 

Provoking a reaction then playing the victim. Textbook Riley. The fit cunt. 

[Strontium]

The next election isn't until 2024, and the country is currently dealing with a public health crisis, all Starmer really needs to do at the moment is look like a credible alternative Prime Minister.

[Gooch]

4 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Corbyn has called for calm while he challenges the decision. McDonnell has dampened talk of splits etc. So, a new party is unlikely and was a hypothetical idea. 

 

But, in the event that Labour do lose "the left" to the greens, a more left leaning Lib Dems, smaller socialist parties, independents or just none of the above apathy, do you honestly see them winning a general election? 

I don't see them losing all the left, its a broad spectrum and losing the more extreme side will do nothing to impact their ability to win elections.

Any leader with clear, easy to understand topline message and charisma to back it up will solve the apathy issue for a good chunk of the electorate. Most people are not politically engaged enough to care too much about a lot of the nitty gritty policy. For them its a straight choice between Labour and Tory. Any loss of 'the left' can be more than made up by gains from any working class who flipped Tory last election and disenfranchised centrists. I believe the opportunity is there, but I can't see anyone capable of capitalising on it at this point.

 

[Rico1304]

4 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

She tweeted this

 

 

 

 

She is a cunt. 

 

I’m surprised someone hasn’t cut her head off, I mean, dissing the prophet.  

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Rico1304 said:

I’m surprised someone hasn’t cut her head off, I mean, dissing the prophet.  

Corbyn gets hounded far more and daily on twitter. I'm far more surprised nobody has cut his head off. I cant stand the fucking bitch. Sorry Rico. She's a cunt. 

[Rico1304]

Just now, Bjornebye said:

Corbyn gets hounded far more and daily on twitter. I'm far more surprised nobody has cut his head off. I cant stand the fucking bitch. Sorry Rico. She's a cunt. 

I don’t hate you because you hate her, I just think you’re wrong.  

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

The next election isn't until 2024, and the country is currently dealing with a public health crisis, all Starmer really needs to do at the moment is look like a credible alternative Prime Minister.

I'd settle for either "credible" or "alternative" right now.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

11 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

It's just so needless and self-defeating. Even if they had deluded themselves into thinking the whole EHRC thing was some gigantic smear, the smart move would have been to accept it, shut up and move on. Instead they keep banging the same old drum because it's more important to "win the argument" than it is to win elections and actually effect positive change in this country.

Like when Liverpool decided not to contest the Suarez lynching. That worked a treat. 

[Scooby Dudek]

For numerous reasons most people see it a straight choice between Labour and Conservatives to form a government, that is why Corbyn or his supporters will not advocate leaving the party but to stay and fight for change from within. It is why they remained during the Blair years and why they will remain now. 

Any split would only help the Tories, a large reason being FPTP, and the left would be squarely blamed for any future election loss that would potentially split the vote.

 

[Gnasher]

29 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

I’m getting strong Robbie leaving Take That vibes, anyone else?

No

[Bjornebye]

7 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I don’t hate you because you hate her, I just think you’re wrong.  

Nothing wrong with that mate. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Gooch]

5 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

You're delusional yourself if you think Corbyn setting up a new party would have no impact, and so is anyone else. You can say what you want though because you know he's not doing it. You'd soon go quiet though if he did and started gathering hundreds of thousands, if not millions of voters. But then you and others would probably just start whining about Corbyn splitting the vote instead and switch the subject.

 

Corbyn made no difference, changed nothing, had no impact, etc. That's one of the biggest bullshit themes of this entire thread. Well now that Starmer has just unfairly suspended him from the party don't expect to be moving on from reading about him any time soon.

The fact that the best you've got is the possibility of going quiet over a scenario that will never ever happen says it all. Its all what if's and fantasy scenarios that somehow prove your point without ever actually happening. Corbyns reputation is in the ground, I don't care how many members sign up it will never translate into serious amount of votes. He got his arse handed to him with all these members behind him, take away the labour platform and he's just some fringe crank on the left from a bygone era. He'll be a laughing stock to the mainstream public.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

So, as it appears that Corbyn was wrong to say that the antisemitism problem was "dramatically overstated" by the media, does that mean that Simon Heffer was right when he said that Jezza wanted to "reopen Auschwitz"??? 

[Red Phoenix]

4 minutes ago, Gooch said:

take away the labour platform and he's just some fringe crank on the left from a bygone era. He'll be a laughing stock to the mainstream public.

 

"fantasy scenarios that somehow prove your point without ever actually happening."

[Numero Veinticinco]

21 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

The next election isn't until 2024, and the country is currently dealing with a public health crisis, all Starmer really needs to do at the moment is look like a credible alternative Prime Minister.

Disagree, he needs to lay out his entire plan from day one, just like nobody ever did ever in the first few months. It’s either that or he’s a Tory. 

[Gnasher]

Seems some posters are wetting their knickers at today's news, I wonder what it is about socialism that frightens them?

[Red_or_Dead]

14 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I don’t hate you because you hate her, I just think you’re wrong.  

Narh, she is a cunt.  I don't think she had any interest in politics until someone told her that Corbyn and his cronies were all anti-semites.  It was almost a crusade for her, if anti-semitism was such a problem in the Labour party then why didn't she tackle it before 2016?

 

Now, anyone who dares to criticise her is deemed an anti-semite.  She's just a cunt.

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

4 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

"fantasy scenarios that somehow prove your point without ever actually happening."

Out of interest, do you know how popular Corbyn was when he left? 

[Gnasher]

Looks like labour are going to get shot of Corbyn and welcome back that wholesome no mark Chris Leslie. Itll be like the Beatles swapping John Lennon for Cliff Richard.

[Rico1304]

Gofundme has £350k to pay Jeremy’s non-existent legal fees.  

[Numero Veinticinco]

22 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I'd settle for either "credible" or "alternative" right now.

Are you suggesting he’s looking like neither? He’s the most popular leader since the last leader to win an election, he has pledged a lot of alternatives to the Tories, and has just shown he’s a credible leader willing to deal with the mess he inherited. So I think you’re fibbing when you say you’ll settle for those things. You seem to be concocting a ‘he’s a Tory’ fantasy. Why? 

[Numero Veinticinco]

27 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I’m surprised someone hasn’t cut her head off, I mean, dissing the prophet.  

Today? You say that shit today? When somebody had their head cut off? Classy. 

[Gooch]

16 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

"fantasy scenarios that somehow prove your point without ever actually happening."

Deflect all you want, I was being too kind. He already is a laughing stock. The election results back it up, his handling of a whole host of issues whilst being leader back it up. All the evidence that you could ever need is there.

[Numero Veinticinco]

33 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Has anyone got a clue what Starmer's plan is?

No, but for fuck sake don’t let that stop you - in the absence of a plan to counter it - from making out that he’s a Tory in a different cosmetic package. You’ve got a good few years to beat that drum before anything is released to counter it, so now is the time.