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Keir Starmer


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McClusky goes out with Carrie Murphy doesn't he and used to go out with Jenny Formby, or vice versa I forget, also annointed Long Bailey as his chosen successor. The axe-grinder is no doubt doing overtime. 

 

I do genuinely suspect these pro and anti starmer hashtags, some of them at least , are a product of some kind of vile Dominic Cummings think tank hidden deep underground at some government ministry. 'Scumpress' started trending when he was doing his little display at number 10 after his jaunt to the North East. 

 

If people can't rise above it though, again, they deserve the consequences. 

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Not feeling it with Starmer or Labour. This government of monsters feels like its on the path to authoritarianism, feeding on the absolute worst fears and attributes of people and Labour is too shit scared about its polling to stand up and push back. An election is 4 years away pull these cunts up on every nasty deal or policy they make or introduce. Highlight the lies. One problem with Corbyn  was him trying to do politics the right way when no else give a fuck, he looked weak and the shit stuck.

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There's some kind of irony in 4% Len trying to dictate terms to Starmer but, anyways, with Trade Unions making these noises and seemingly moving away from the leadership like this, doesn't it mean that the Tories can't throw the old "in the pockets of the unions" jibe at the party?

 

I'd have thought it'd be a boost for Kier, this kind of action.

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1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

McClusky goes out with Carrie Murphy doesn't he and used to go out with Jenny Formby, or vice versa I forget, also annointed Long Bailey as his chosen successor. The axe-grinder is no doubt doing overtime. 

 

I do genuinely suspect these pro and anti starmer hashtags, some of them at least , are a product of some kind of vile Dominic Cummings think tank hidden deep underground at some government ministry. 'Scumpress' started trending when he was doing his little display at number 10 after his jaunt to the North East. 

 

If people can't rise above it though, again, they deserve the consequences. 

The Starmer out tags come mainly from accounts that have been around for years. They didn't want RLB either and they turned on Jon Lansman which was uncomfortable too watch. They were furious when she was backed they wanted Ian Lavery -  for most of them their heart is in the right place. Quite a few of them have been targeted extremley personally some of the Jewish Corbyn supporters have been tagged as self hating Jews - the word Kapo frequently used and some by the suspensions units previously - Rachel in Swindon has even had the Mail and the Sun turn up at their homes poking their noses in her private life.  For a lot of them their sense of identity is wrapped up in this but they do have skin in the game. Although I do think some should probably take a day or two off from social media in some instances before hitting the send button.

 

As for McClusky he is right to withold money if they are going to ignore legal advice. This is before we get to failing to oppose a bill that allows trade union activists to be spied on.

 

I read somewhere that Unite have given Labour £25 million over the past five years. 

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I think it’s because the lords are going to tear it apart, but I don’t get abstaining either.

Surely the Lords can still tear it apart if Lab voted against it?

With an 80 seat majority the Govt can get pretty much anything through

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Just now, mattyq said:

Surely the Lords can still tear it apart if Lab voted against it?

With an 80 seat majority the Govt can get pretty much anything through


Yeah, they can and will, like I said it’s odd and I don’t get it as he uses his background in human rights all the time to score points.

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9 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:


Yeah, they can and will, like I said it’s odd and I don’t get it as he uses his background in human rights all the time to score points.

He also talks about his time working with the intelligence services, so might just be that he thinks the changes are necessary. 

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I'm assuming It'll be because there are parts of the bill that the party leadership are in agreement with. If it gets through, which with an 80 seat majority it will, there'll still time to table amendments at the committee stage before the 3rd and final reading. If it's the same bill at that stage and it's passed through with abstaining from Labour then it'll be time to ask questions.

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22 minutes ago, skend04 said:

I'm assuming It'll be because there are parts of the bill that the party leadership are in agreement with. If it gets through, which with an 80 seat majority it will, there'll still time to table amendments at the committee stage before the 3rd and final reading. If it's the same bill at that stage and it's passed through with abstaining from Labour then it'll be time to ask questions.

So... StarmerOut? 

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He’s treating Alex with the contempt he deserves today.

 

As usual Alex has no response but to identify a problem of his own making as a virtue, he’s so poor at this.

 

’you supported this’

 

’yes, but you’ve fucked it up and we want answers’

 

’but we did stuff, don’t be mean’ 

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Do other parties do this shit? If a Tory leader does/doesn't so something the rank and file don't like do they all pile on and start hashtagging the fuck out of each other? What about the Lin Dems? Big funders threatening to pull the plug? 

 

Madness. Divide and rule and bollocks to anyone who's complicit. 

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9 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Do other parties do this shit? If a Tory leader does/doesn't so something the rank and file don't like do they all pile on and start hashtagging the fuck out of each other? What about the Lin Dems? Big funders threatening to pull the plug? 

 

Madness. Divide and rule and bollocks to anyone who's complicit. 

There was a huge amount of dissent towards a number of Cameron's actions (especially anything seen as socially liberal), towards May over Brexit and towards Johnson on the Covid response. Social media wasn't as prevalent the last time the Lib Dems were relevant, but I can't imagine a huge chunk of the people who voted for them in 2010 were exactly happy- I know I wasn't.

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Just now, Mudface said:

There was a huge amount of dissent towards a number of Cameron's actions (especially anything seen as socially liberal), towards May over Brexit and towards Johnson on the Covid response. Social media wasn't as prevalent the last time the Lib Dems were relevant, but I can't imagine a huge chunk of the people who voted for them in 2010 were exactly happy- I know I wasn't.

Do Tories chuck in their membership though when May replaces Cameron or Cameron replaces whoever the fuck? Do Tory blogs run wild on new leaders and in actual fact spend more time hammering them than they do Labour? Blows my mind. 

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1 minute ago, Section_31 said:

Do Tories chuck in their membership though when May replaces Cameron or Cameron replaces whoever the fuck? Do Tory blogs run wild on new leaders and in actual fact spend more time hammering them than they do Labour? Blows my mind. 

Well, yes. Cameron put the Referendum promise in his 2015 manifesto because of the haemorrhaging of support to UKIP.

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11 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Do Tories chuck in their membership though when May replaces Cameron or Cameron replaces whoever the fuck? Do Tory blogs run wild on new leaders and in actual fact spend more time hammering them than they do Labour? Blows my mind. 

More money from Russian donors than membership money I would have thought. 

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13 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:


I still buy the morning star and socialist worker when I see them, morning star more often as they tend to sell them near where I work.

 

Problem is they’re pretty shit most of the time and have ridiculously transparent ‘journalism’ which doesn’t tell me anything i don’t already know about, or put across an ultra partisan viewpoint. I’m aware this is a general problem.

 

And, I know the argument that they have little money to help before anybody piles on, they also have a tiny readership which is not a coincidence. 

 

Accept the Morning Star and Skwawkbox are left wing media, but I'm sure their circulations / viewing figures don't come to 1% between them so I wouldn't count them as 'mainstream'.

 

On a separate media point, looking at the headlines bit of the various newspapers on BBC news website the Mail has actually gone a bit more sensible recently while the Express is away with the fairies.

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19 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Accept the Morning Star and Skwawkbox are left wing media, but I'm sure their circulations / viewing figures don't come to 1% between them so I wouldn't count them as 'mainstream'.

 

On a separate media point, looking at the headlines bit of the various newspapers on BBC news website the Mail has actually gone a bit more sensible recently while the Express is away with the fairies.


You’ll find no argument here, they’re almost quaint in the size of their readership, only tend to buy them to support them, not overly concerned about ‘outrage as Tory councillor leaves offices lights on costing uk money’ sniping, but it’s good they exist.

 

The broader point was that, perhaps, the papers represent the views of the nation, I know it’s a chicken and egg situation. But maybe we’re an island whose majority is made up of small minded, insular,  selfish pricks and the papers mirror these views.

 

I read ‘Orwell: On Truth’ over the weekend and he makes similar points, much better obviously, and this was generations ago and we’re still no closer to closing the debate.
 

I try and read most newspapers as I want to ‘know the enemy’ especially the comments section as they give you a spectrum to place an average on and it’s grim. The internet has engaged a lot of people who would otherwise  be blissful in ignorance, but now they’re vocal and utterly, utterly stupid in what they say as they have no critical thinking skills. 
 

The Brexit bellends weaponised them and now they’re struggling with the monster they created.

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19 hours ago, Denny Crane said:

I'm reluctantly coming round to this thought. 

 

It's going to get a lot lot worse if we do end up with mass unemployment next year if you don't support the government you are an enemy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

MI5 has a leek.

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21 minutes ago, Carvalho Diablo said:

It seems to me that the current Labour leadership shit their pants and sprinted away from socialism to chase the populist vote. Starmer and his shadow cabinet seem content to feed on the scraps from the Tory table.

 

Sad. Integrity and principles, where are they?

 

See I have an issue with the way some people have hijacked the word socialism or the phrase "left wing" and brand anyone they don't agree with as "centrist" and/or Blairite. All of which are meaningless terms in this context. (Where did Marx write about the Israeli police or Trident missiles?)

 

Corbyn’s labour seemed to me to be content with agitating rather than winning elections. This was illustrated when they did shit like divert campaign resources to doing stuff like making a noise in Iain Duncan Smith's constituency rather than deploy them to marginal or red wall seats. They didn't care. Even when they lost they said they'd "won the argument", chose an heiress apparent and have essentially waged war against the guy who beat her fair and square ever since, doing so with the landslide support of Labour members, who must now by definition be blairite Centrists.

 

It's dead easy isn't it to stand outside the tory conference with a banner, or the Israeli embassy with a placard, or retweet articles about footbanks. That gets you the moral authority to say yorue more left wing than your MP or his boss, but it's a lot harder to figure out a strategy for winning back a population who've only voted for one labour leader in my lifetime - the, erm, centrist bogeyman Tony Blair.

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