Keir Starmer

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, Numero said:

Glaring error? It seems like sound judgment for sacking somebody not willing to apologise for or retract her mistake. 

I'm sorry but as I still fail to see what mistake was made. The report in the tweet touched on a number of subjects which were in the main true and relevant, but I suppose that's just my opinion.

[Gnasher]

11 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

 

 

https://www.mediareform.org.uk/blog/bbc-panorama-on-anti-semitism-a-catalogue-of-reporting-failures

 

 

 

 

Whilst the tories get treated with mittens and cocoa 

 

 

 

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Gnasher said:

I'm sorry but as I still fail to see what mistake was made. The report in the tweet touched on a number of subjects which were in the main true and relevant, but I suppose that's just my opinion.

The part that wasn’t okay, which has been retracted by and apologised for by all involved, was clearly inaccurate and an offensive and needless link. It was a mistake to drag that stuff up again. It was a mistake to retweet it, and it was a massive mistake to not keep her job by apologising and moving on. She refused, fair enough. Off she goes. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

 

https://www.mediareform.org.uk/blog/bbc-panorama-on-anti-semitism-a-catalogue-of-reporting-failures

 

 

 

 

Whilst the tories get treated with mittens and cocoa 

 

 

 

 

 

The BBC is a fucking joke. Now, where’s the money to pay for it. Pay up or we start court action. Twats. 

[The Guest]

11 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Cool, I’m a life long labour member, my grandmother actually signed me up before I was old enough by lying about my age, who has been doorstepping since he was old enough to to stand on doorsteps.
 

Now, he stands on his own feet, he actively works with three different labour MP’s, won’t be a gossip and tell you which, as an engagement bridge with disaffected youth in the most impoverished regions of the UK and actually gets paid to put these ideas in to practice, though I’d do it for free.

 

Has been to every ward meeting, branch meeting, leaders talks, meeting sbout fucking jurisprudence in parliament, conference he could.

 

Has stood with various socialist organisations in both a solidarity stance and as a leader, of sorts, and provided communications, essays, and all other essential ways of getting ideas out to the electorate.

 

Is, and always will be, a fucking socialist.

 

Now, fuck of you small time, chip on your shoulder prick.

 

You’re either with ‘us’ or against yourself.

 

PS I have eighteen academic letters, again, fuck off! 

Yet you’re still completely fucking clueless.  Let me try and spell it out for you again.  The people at the top of the Labour Party are ECONOMICALLY RIGHT WING.  They don’t believe in increasing to taxes on higher earners and increasing government spending.  They’re the same people that kept the same tax structure in 97 going forwards as the fucking thatcher government and told everyone that Corbyns manifesto was a disaster nobody would like.  I couldn’t give a flying fuck how many meetings you’ve been to or how many arses you’ve licked to get where you are.  The majority of members are left wing as are the majority of labour voters yet here we are with a vast majority of economically right wing MPs in the party.  What I’m saying is not even controversial.  It’s an accepted truth.  Now with this new found knowledge you have go back and read my original post again.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Double spacing is pretty fucking horrible. 

[Bruce Spanner]

1 minute ago, The Guest said:

Yet you’re still completely fucking clueless.  Let me try and spell it out for you again.  The people at the top of the Labour Party are ECONOMICALLY RIGHT WING.  They don’t believe in increasing to taxes on higher earners and increasing government spending.  They’re the same people that kept the same tax structure in 97 going forwards as the fucking thatcher government and told everyone that Corbyns manifesto was a disaster nobody would like.  I couldn’t give a flying fuck how many meetings you’ve been to or how many arses you’ve licked to get where you are.  The majority of members are left wing as are the majority of labour voters yet here we are with a vast majority of economically right wing MPs in the party.  What I’m saying is not even controversial.  It’s an accepted truth.  Now with this new found knowledge you have go back and read my original post again.

It’s an accepted ‘truth’ by conspiracy paddlers and those that are enraged by their own impotence.

 

Good luck in the future and goodbye, 

 

 

[Babb'sBurstNad]

2 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

What is a Corbynite?

A trouser press for after dark.

[Numero Veinticinco]

2 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

What is a Corbynite?

It’s a rare ore found in Islington. It is the sole source of socialism in the known universe. 
 

 

[cloggypop]

31 minutes ago, Numero said:

Double spacing is pretty fucking horrible. 

Referring to yourself as "he" is unforgivably shite. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

9 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Referring to yourself as "he" is unforgivably shite. 

I do not know what that means. I thought about it for a minute, then it dawned on me that I’m a moron. I shrugged my shoulders. 
 

I like spoons. 

[cloggypop]

1 hour ago, Numero said:

I do not know what that means. I thought about it for a minute, then it dawned on me that I’m a moron. I shrugged my shoulders. 
 

I like spoons. 

Mr. Spoon is boss

[Anubis]

In the interests of balance, here’s the view from Jewish Voice For Labour. I’ve also linked the Middle East Eye article the link to.

 

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/defamation-the-case-of-maxine-peake/

 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-us-police-training-end-knee-neck-protests

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

He was on Good Morning Britain this morning. I've only seen clips they posted on Twitter. When I clicked on it, it was basically just replies about how ISREAL IS A RACIST ENDEAVOUR and how he bent the knee unlike our Tommy Robinson. Good times. 

[Brownie]

The last few pages of this thread are embarrassing.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

9 hours ago, Numero said:

The part that wasn’t okay, which has been retracted by and apologised for by all involved, was clearly inaccurate and an offensive and needless link. It was a mistake to drag that stuff up again. It was a mistake to retweet it, and it was a massive mistake to not keep her job by apologising and moving on. She refused, fair enough. Off she goes. 

The one inaccuracy in the Maxine Peake interview was a throwaway line, referencing the fact that Israeli security forces  (whose role is to use violence to maintain a racist system) have given training to US Police forces  (whose role is increasingly being seen as using violence to maintain a racist system). It's ridiculous to pretend that there was any anti-Semitic intent or effect in that one inaccuracy.

 

If we're going to hold RLB culpable for retweeting it, maybe we should prosecute The Independent for publishing it.

 

The main thrust of the interview was about the links between the cruelty and corruption of the Tory Government here and capitalism, racism and violence worldwide.  Labour MPs should be supporting those sort of arguments. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

The previous post is embarrassing, etc., etc. 
 

I mean... thanks for popping in mate, but you’ve had fuck all to say there. No views, no explanation why it’s embarrassing, no input; just a snide dig. That’s not your normal style. 
 

Edit: fucking AoT. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

22 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

The one inaccuracy in the Maxine Peake interview was a throwaway line, referencing the fact

Hold up. It’s not a fact. Even if you characterised it correctly, which you have not, it is the opposite of a fact. That’s why everyone has held their hands up, admitted that it was wrong, and retracted it. 

22 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Israeli security forces  (whose role is to use violence to maintain a racist system) 

It wasn’t Israeli security forces, it was the Israeli secret services, which is Mossad. That’s one of the points that is being so plainly missed here. As I’m certain you know, It is a popular antisemitic trope is that Mossad interferes with [everything here] so the Jews can run the world. 

22 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

have given training to US Police forces

No! Not to US police forces, but that the secret services had taught those who killed George Floyd how to kneel on knecks. The insinuation is clear. Not only is it inaccurate, it’s clearly - as Maxine Peake and RLB are very likely not antisemitic - been regurgitated in error because they’re ignorant of it. Ignorant of the trope, you Ignorant of the facts, and even if it wasn’t about Israel, it’s a shitty thing to accuse somebody of. Why the fuck, in an article titled something like ‘if you didn’t vote for Corbyn, you voted for Tories’, would you completely incorrectly link Mossad to the murder of George Floyd? Why the fuck would you retweet it and then when having it pointed out, not remove it and apologise? 

 

I think the way antisemitism has been weaponised to attack people is disgusting. I’ve said so many times on here in defence of Corbyn. It hurts Jews, it hurts the Labour movement, and it hurts society. But this ain’t that. I think you’re being way too blasé in the specific instance. I don’t for a second think Rebecca Long-Namey is antisemitic, I don’t think she deserved to get sacked for retweeting something. I do think she deserved to be sacked for refusing to apologise and take down the tweets. It’s fucking tone deaf, stupid, and arrogant. I’ll defend people all day if they are accused unfairly. I’ll defend them all day if they are unfairly sacked for an ignorant mistake, but the fact she wouldn’t take down the tweets, apologise, then move on doing her actual job... she can get fucked. 

[Red Phoenix]

10 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

It’s an accepted ‘truth’ by conspiracy paddlers and those that are enraged by their own impotence.

 

Good luck in the future and goodbye,

 

Paddlers? It's peddlers. That's a bloody disgrace that is Bruce, and you've even finished with a comma to top it off.

 

[Bruce Spanner]

3 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Paddlers? It's peddlers. That's a bloody disgrace that is Bruce, and you've even finished with a comma to top it off.

 

Freudian slip, it was late and your mam was telling me to get back in to bed, she’s a card that one.

[Red Phoenix]

1 minute ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Freudian slip, It was late and your mam was telling me to get back in to bed, she’s a card that one.

 

Well if she starts ranting to me about how good Starmer is next time I see her I'll know where that's come from and she'll no longer be my mam.

[Bruce Spanner]

12 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Well if she starts ranting to me about how good Starmer is next time I see her I'll know where that's come from and she'll no longer be my mam.

Ive never ranted about how good Starmer is, I’ve only ranted about how good the Labour Party could and should be if everybody put aside their petty, subjective and debilitating differences.

 

I was actually frontline for both Corbyn elections and will be for Starmer, as, I repeat, any labour government is better than the fucking Tories! 

[Red Phoenix]

3 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Ive never ranted about how good Starmer is, I’ve only ranted about how good the Labour Party could be if everybody put aside their petty, subjective and debilitating differences.

 

I was actually frontline for both Corbyn elections and will be for Starmer, as, I repeat, any labour government is better than the fucking Tories! 

 

I didn't think you had and was just messing, that's my fault for my usually shit attempts at humour on the internet.

[Brownie]

3 hours ago, Numero said:

The previous post is embarrassing, etc., etc. 
 

I mean... thanks for popping in mate, but you’ve had fuck all to say there. No views, no explanation why it’s embarrassing, no input; just a snide dig. That’s not your normal style. 
 

Edit: fucking AoT. 

Apologies for the terse post but that was for a couple of reasons:

 

1) I was about to join a conference call with work so didn't really have time to expand.

 

2) Regardless of number 1, I still wanted to make the point about how sad it is see to witness people ripping each other to shreds and repeating arguments that are years old now. I can expand on it now.

 

All of this "Corbynite", "Centrist", "Blairite" etc stuff is tiresome. I've been guilty of it too and sometimes they are just off-the-cuff statements but it's not getting us anywhere other than being antagonising to each other.

 

There are elements to arguments from both sides that I can relate to so it's probably a good idea for us all to be a bit more grown up about how we address each other when trying to make our points.

 

The way I see things right now with regards to the RLB situation; she was daft to do what she did and it put both Starmer and the Labour party in a difficult position. You could argue either way about what their response could have been. To suggest that it's some sort of conspiracy to get rid of RLB is daft. Having said that, I do have my suspicions about Starmer and the leadership team as a whole and they were probably content that this situation presented itself and therefore gave them an opportunity to make the change.

 

I'm concerned about some of the noises coming out of Labour right now, they seem to be adopting largely similar approaches to the Tories with some subtle differences.

 

I get why they are doing it. I don't want to get into old arguments of "you have to be in office to make any difference" etc, i'm bored of that. My view remains the same; live and die by your principles, don't change them just to "win".

 

Overall I feel myself drifting away from Labour, that's just how I feel.

[cloggypop]

Challenging "Boris" Johnson to do 50 press ups at PMQs is pretty funny. 

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-challenges-boris-johnson-22269986?111