Keir Starmer

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Israeli forces aren't averse to kneeling on necks as a tool of racist violence.

 

https://web.archive.org/save/https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israeli-soldiers-photographed-beating-palestinian-in-hebron-1.5440850?fbclid=IwAR2BdQ8RPgrUgJGix3yGDHAqN0L2Tu43jVRBctZCclDiuyV0n_25DI6HPKs

 

[Sugar Ape]

[Rico1304]

10 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

She didn't.

 

Why is the Amnesty stuff "bollocks"?

It’s not Amnesty international, it’s a blog by amnesty USA with no facts, research or data. 

[Strontium]

19 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

Is there any evidence that the knee on the back of the neck was taught to US police by Israel, in particular the officer who used it? 

 

None whatsoever. Absolutely mind-boggling that anyone would try to diminish responsibility for the murder of a black man by racist American cops by falsely blaming another country. 

[Pidge]

14 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I wonder if Peake will face any backlash?   I doubt it. 

I'm not sure she should really, a private citizen being misinformed is one thing, a public official spreading misinformation is another.  I doubt it was RLB's intention to do so, but it appears she did.

 

There may be people in her industry who would prefer not to work with her now and that's their prerogative, there is also already a sizeable number of people online essentially calling her a racist, which seems like a backlash to me... 

[torahboy]

28 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Ha.  Peake blames Israel for the murder of a man in America.  And the link to Amnesty is a bit of old bollocks too.  

No, she doesn't. But, if  lying makes you happy ......

 

“The tactics used by the police in America, kneeling on George Floyd’s neck, that was learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services.” ....is what she said. She did not say 'Israel murdered George Floyd'.  

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

I think if the acting community is consistent then she’ll be roundly condemned. I won’t hold my breathe. 

"The acting community"?

 

Is that a thing?  I thought actors were just, y'know, individuals with different opinions on stuff.  Jesus, even if you take a narrow sub-section of "the acting community" - let's say "veteran Jewish female comic actors/borderline national treasures" - you get Miriam Margolyes and Maureen Lipman taking opposite sides of the "Labour anti-Semitism" debate.

 

And what the fuck should she be condemned for?  The Israeli forces use racist violence.  They also trained US police departments who use racist violence.  She never said "Israel ordered a hit on George Floyd" or anything unreasonable - and she certainly never said anything anti-Semitic.

[Sugar Ape]

2 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Israeli forces aren't averse to kneeling on necks as a tool of racist violence.

 

https://web.archive.org/save/https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israeli-soldiers-photographed-beating-palestinian-in-hebron-1.5440850?fbclid=IwAR2BdQ8RPgrUgJGix3yGDHAqN0L2Tu43jVRBctZCclDiuyV0n_25DI6HPKs

 

This is what she said:

The tactics used by the police in America, kneeling on George Floyd’s neck, that was learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services.”

 

Genuinely asking, again, is there any evidence the ‘tactic’ used that killed George Floyd was taught to US police by the Israelis, and that the officer involved was taught it?

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

It does seem strange to link the George Floyd killing to Israel. If the Yankee cops were trained by Israel they would've just shot him in the head or bombed his house. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

6 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

It’s not Amnesty international, it’s a blog by amnesty USA with no facts, research or data. 

But it is true that US police forces have travelled to Israel for training by the Israeli security forces.  And it is true that the Israeli security forces are violent racists.

[clockspeed]

What I don’t understand is why she didn’t remove tweets (as asked) then issue an explanation for originally retweeting. Seems simple to me and would have given her a chance to highlight the parts she agreed with in first instance. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 minute ago, Sugar Ape said:

Genuinely asking, again, is there any evidence the ‘tactic’ used that killed George Floyd was taught to US police by the Israelis, and that the officer involved was taught it?

Almost certainly not.

 

What she said reads to me like a more general point - "the violent racist policing in the USA is consistent with the racist violence of the Israeli defence forces, who have provided training for many US police officers".  Like I say, it's a valid point and it's a bit of a reach to interpret it as claiming the IDF were directly implicated in the murder of George Floyd or that she's trying to diminish the US police responsibility.

[Jairzinho]

Just now, clockspeed said:

What I don’t understand is why she didn’t remove tweets (as asked) then issue an explanation for originally retweeting. Seems simple to me and would have given her a chance to highlight the parts she agreed with in first instance. 

Yeah, she hasn't responded to this very well.

[Red Phoenix]

RLB was guilty of the crime of being too socialist.

 

The Israeli secret service = Jews now too apparently.

 

Getting close to what I was on about before, that if you can't even criticise (rightly or wrongly) Israel without being accused of anti-semitism, then any of their gov can just run riot over here. But maybe that's what they've been doing for a while now anyway and this is part of the result of it.

 

Fuck Labour.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

And, what about your bread and butter Labour Party members who've shared that Maxine Peak article? Just for the general thrust of the article? Are they getting suspended for sharing "antisemitic conspiracy theories?" 

 

What a load of old toss. 

[clockspeed]

8 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

[clockspeed]

8 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Yeah, she hasn't responded to this very well.

It’s a shame she was doing a half decent job ref the back to school debacle the tories have created.

[Sugar Ape]

1 minute ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Almost certainly not.

 

What she said reads to me like a more general point - "the violent racist policing in the USA is consistent with the racist violence of the Israeli defence forces, who have provided training for many US police officers".  Like I say, it's a valid point and it's a bit of a reach to interpret it as claiming the IDF were directly implicated in the murder of George Floyd or that she's trying to diminish the US police responsibility.

I don’t know mate. She very clearly states that kneeling on George Floyds neck was learnt from the Israeli secret police in my view, and I haven’t seen any evidence that backs that up. How antisemitic, or not, that is I’ll leave for you to decide. But...

 

2 minutes ago, clockspeed said:

What I don’t understand is why she didn’t remove tweets (as asked) then issue an explanation for originally retweeting. Seems simple to me and would have given her a chance to highlight the parts she agreed with in first instance. 

I agree with this. She should have just deleted the tweet, explained she deleted it because she didn’t agree with one aspect but praised the rest of the article if that’s what she believed. 

[Strontium]

15 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

The Israeli secret service = Jews now too apparently.

 

Getting close to what I was on about before, that if you can't even criticise (rightly or wrongly) Israel without being accused of anti-semitism

 

 

You'd have to be pretty dense not to know that the overwhelming majority of Israeli secret servicepeople are Jews.

 

As explained more often than I care to recall, you can throw all the legitimate criticism in the world at them, and nobody's stopping you. But making things up and getting offended by them is not legitimate criticism. 

[Red Phoenix]

9 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

You'd have to be pretty dense not to know that the overwhelming majority of Israeli secret servicepeople are Jews.

 

As explained more often than I care to recall, you can throw all the legitimate criticism in the world at them, and nobody's stopping you. But making things up and getting offended by them is not legitimate criticism. 

 

I'm not buying it that a Labour MP linking one article containing one error about the Israeli secret service = antisemitism. An MP that just happens to be one of a group that the right wingers dislike the most, it's obvious. If RLB had a history of doing it maybe more people would question what was going on, but this is clearly bullshit.

 

"But making things up and getting offended by them is not legitimate criticism. "

 

That's what right wing Zionists and a lot of/most of their supporters have been doing for years, maybe we should let them know too.

[Red Phoenix]

 

[clockspeed]

2 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

I'm not buying it that a Labour MP linking one article containing one error about the Israeli secret service = antisemitism. An MP that just happens to be one of a group that the right wingers dislike the most, it's obvious. If RLB had a history of doing it maybe more people would question what was going on, but this is clearly bullshit.

 

"But making things up and getting offended by them is not legitimate criticism. "

 

That's what right wing Zionists and a lot of/most of their supporters have been doing for years, maybe we should let them know too.

Agree with your first sentence. What is your take on why she would not delete the tweet and explain ?

[Creator Supreme]

Load of old shite, the beginning of the Corbynite purge! Labour and Starmer can get fucked, vote Green!

[Bobby Hundreds]

It's knecks not necks by the way.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

It's knecks not necks by the way.

Either way, Israeli forces kneel on them. If you're Palestinian that is.