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Seen a lot of people on Twatter recently about how you can't be a Liverpool fan and a Tory. Mainly after some Liverpool fans praised Boris Johnson for handling the Coronavirus situation.

 

Our club's founder was a Tory albeit when the political landscape was completely different but given what happened with Hillsborough and the Tory government in the 1980s wanting Liverpool as a city to decline isn't it hypocritical to be one and support Liverpool?. 

 

A certain family member of mine is a rabid Boris Johnson loving Tory despite being a scouser. Mainly because he hates Jeremy Corbyn. But still describes himself as a "top red".

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Wasn't it Michael Heseltine who helped to find the money to regenrate the Albert Dock area and kick start a revival of sorts? And wasn't it a Labour government that launched that sham of an inquiry into Hillsborough, headed by a judge who insulted the families?

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looking forward from the eightees. I'd say being a Tory Liverpool supporter would be impossible, but then again Football and politics should never be mixed. Somehow it always does though. Weird thing, but tory Liverpool supporters must be bandwagon jumpers, like all the gloryhunter ones City have got from Chelsea these past few years. Feels weird.

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to be fair does it really matter who you vote for what colour of skin you have or if your disabled or able bodied etc  aslong as you get behind the club 

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17 minutes ago, andyj said:

to be fair does it really matter who you vote for what colour of skin you have or if your disabled or able bodied etc  aslong as you get behind the club 

I think this is correct although if you're a tory & support Liverpool, you're going to have to expect your political party (and your own fucked up views) to be getting a fair amount of stick from your fellow supporters given the city & the club's history.

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Fella I go the game with, biggest Tory you'll meet, brexit voter, one time UKIP, the works, hasn't missed a Liverpool game - home, away, Europe, the lot, in over 45 years.

More red than anyone I know and more rational, balanced and streetwise than most of the soft cunts who sing Fuck the Tories, like its a fashion thing. 

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I support the club that's about it. Other fans opinions, loves and hates is their business. The club is just one aspect that can unite people, common cause, common goal. Plenty of decent people vote Tory though I don't agree with their politics, plenty of Labour voters may beat the shit out of their partners, betray their friends and family or are all round arseholes. Life isn't black and white, there's no goodies and baddies. For the football we are all Reds everything else there's probably a thread for. 

 

So yall fuck off now ya hear.

 

 

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As Frank Dacey said earlier , I am more annoyed with the likes of Straw,  Blair and that arsehole Howarth over Hillsbrough than Tories being Tories.

 

I agree with the 'Keep politics to one side' view.

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3 hours ago, andyj said:

to be fair does it really matter who you vote for what colour of skin you have or if your disabled or able bodied etc  aslong as you get behind the club 

If you vote tory you are voting for most of Merseyside and its surrounds to be fucked over in their daily life. Football is great,but its not more important than life itself,no matter what a certain gentleman said with a great deal of hyperbole many years ago. And if it makes any difference despite our football rivalries with the bloo idiots across the park I wouldnt want their families to suffer in their daily lives either. Fans for foodbanks is an association between our clubs and it wasnt any other government that created their need other than a tory one.

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4 hours ago, Johnlj said:

Football and politics should never be mixed. 

Politics cuts across every aspect of life, so it can't be "kept out" of sport, music or whatever.  Best to recognise how politics impacts on football and decide how to respond to that.

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6 minutes ago, sir roger said:

As Frank Dacey said earlier , I am more annoyed with the likes of Straw,  Blair and that arsehole Howarth over Hillsbrough than Tories being Tories.

 

I agree with the 'Keep politics to one side' view.

Howarth as in George Howarth the Knowsley MP?. What did he do?

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3 hours ago, andyj said:

to be fair does it really matter who you vote for what colour of skin you have or if your disabled or able bodied etc  aslong as you get behind the club 

Who you vote for is a question of choice: your skin colour or whatever is completely different. 

 

If you think football is just about kicking a ball around, then it probably doesn’t matter who you vote for.  On the other hand, if you buy into the notion of a club's fanbase as a community, with shared values, then voting for a party that consistently attacks that community because it holds opposing values is incompatible with supporting the club.

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1 hour ago, Doctor Troy said:

Howarth as in George Howarth the Knowsley MP?. What did he do?

Had the choice whether to keep pushing for an enquiry or take a junior cabinet position and back Jack Straw's Labour position and decided on the latter course.

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I see being a Liverpool fan and voting Tory as incompatible. If you know anything about the club and the city and how we have been affected by the Tory party (managed decline?) and can still reconcile yourself with voting for. them, then I reckon that makes you an utter shitehawk unworthy of calling yourself a Liverpool fan.*

 

*Yes Rico that means you can get to fuck.

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For me this is the greatest quote I’ve read from anyone. From a man of simple means, a complete legend who made our club what it is and inspires us to this day. 

 

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Whilst I've always been deeply proud of the socialist leanings that are prevalent amongst reds, I don't think it should be considered an absolute either/or scenario.

 

The main issue for me though, is where to draw the line. Carra writing for the Mail? Ex-players buying up streets of houses? Kenny accepting his knighthood? Our Brazilians who may have voted for Bolsonaro?

 

The list of things you can't be is a can of worms, and if you open it you have to accept others may think you don't qualify either. Do right by people, pull together (fnarr), Shankly's socialism, is the right view in my opinion. 

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7 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Maybe you should read it a bit closer, especially the first line.

'Not really' doesnt just mean not. He could have said 'Not entirely' or 'Not wholly' but you know that anyway.

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7 hours ago, sir roger said:

Had the choice whether to keep pushing for an enquiry or take a junior cabinet position and back Jack Straw's Labour position and decided on the latter course.

Another one of his great decisions. 

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I feel like I’m coming out here but my politics are right of centre. I have voted for the Tories more than any other party (but not exclusively). And I do so because I believe society works better if people take responsibility for themselves in the first instance. That doesn’t mean I don’t believe in community; no-one can make a success of themselves without the input of everyone else and those less well equipped to survive need assistance. But unless the majority of us work to improve our own lives there is no wealth to spread around.

 

We can argue about how much spreading there is but I need to be able to improve the lot of me and my family first. If I didn’t make sacrifices - leaving home and friends - to improve my career prospects I don’t earn more money, pay more tax and create jobs for others. I don’t make those sacrifices if it doesn’t, primarily, benefit me. By generating wealth for me I benefit others through paying tax and/or spending it.

 

As I say, I believe in community, travel a long way to home games but support the food banks when I do and have recently sent money to Homebaked (where I am a member) to make up for the pies I am not buying right now. I believe I hold many of the same values that my socialist friends carry; I just believe in a different way of achieving similar ends.

 

And, finally, before I retire to my bomb shelter, it does intrigue me that our largely socialist fan base can support 11 guys (plus some) who earn more in a week than I do in 6 years. How does that work? Unless you agree with me, of course.

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By this definition of socialism I am a socialist.

 

No-one can tell me who I should support, its not a choice, its deep within me and my background. 

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