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Crime and Punishment


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7 minutes ago, Lee909 said:

 

So everytime someone violent gets to aggressive or uses their car as a weapon the police should move out the way and let them go?

 

 

You've got a car linked with a shooting in the previous days, a driver out of prison for a year with a history on a gun offence. He gets stopped,blocked in then uses the car as a weapon to ram his way out, but the police should move out the way and let him go because we don't shoot first. He was a danger to the life of the officers trying to stop him, and a potential danger to anyone on the street in any chase had he got away. 

 

There would have been massive backlash had some innocent being knocked down as he drove away. It's nothing like what would have happened in the US either as every police there would have opened up and emptied their clip, one controlled shot that wouldn't have been aimed at his head but direct centre mass. Unfortunately it's killed him. 

 


They could have moved out of the way of the car. Or maybe he realised he was surrounded by armed police officers and though “these cunts might shoot me here I need to get away” ???? 
 

“One controlled shot that wouldn’t have been aimed at his head but direct centre mass” 

 

Do you know what firearms the met use? It was either an Sig Sauer or a Heckler and Koch that the SAS have been using for years Is imagine as they’re the assigned weapons (along with a pistol and a rifle but it doesn’t look like he used them to me) 
 

Here’s the SIG516: 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_Sauer_SIG516

Here’s the Glock if they did use a pistol (Glock 17)

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock
 

 

 

A shot from that SIG into the mass of a target would be an extremely high possibility of death. The way the bullets move at that velocity it’s not exiting in a straight line. It’s ricocheting around his body almost guaranteeing death. The Glock isn’t far behind. 

 

Watch the video, the officer positions himself in-front of the car with enough distance to get out of the way of he accelerated. 
 

https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/news/statement-read-out-opening-inquest-death-chris-kaba
 

 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Quite crazy that you’d bump that exchange about the subject given you made yourself look a right tit. 

 

If not leaping to the conclusion that a racially-motivated murder took place makes me a "right tit", then so be it. 

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8 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:


They could have moved out of the way of the car. Or maybe he realised he was surrounded by armed police officers and though “these cunts might shoot me here I need to get away” ???? 
 

“One controlled shot that wouldn’t have been aimed at his head but direct centre mass” 

 

Do you know what firearms the met use? It was either an Sig Sauer or a Heckler and Koch that the SAS have been using for years Is imagine as they’re the assigned weapons (along with a pistol and a rifle but it doesn’t look like he used them to me) 
 

Here’s the SIG516: 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_Sauer_SIG516

Here’s the Glock if they did use a pistol (Glock 17)

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock
 

 

 

A shot from that SIG into the mass of a target would be an extremely high possibility of death. The way the bullets move at that velocity it’s not exiting in a straight line. It’s ricocheting around his body almost guaranteeing death. The Glock isn’t far behind. 

 

Watch the video, the officer positions himself in-front of the car with enough distance to get out of the way of he accelerated. 
 

https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/news/statement-read-out-opening-inquest-death-chris-kaba
 

 

 

 

 

You well know in any firearms training you are trained to shoot centre mass so you don't miss. Unfortunately yes that often leads to death

 

So again your point is they should let him get away because he's using force and a weapon so they don't have to shoot. 

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1 minute ago, Lee909 said:

 

You well know in any firearms training you are trained to shoot centre mass so you don't miss. Unfortunately yes that often leads to death

 

So again your point is they should let him get away because he's using force and a weapon so they don't have to shoot. 


Exactly so you saying it wasn’t a head shot is irrelevant mate. He was likely going to die as soon as the officer decided to pull the trigger. 
 

As for the weapon, I agree it was a loaded situation considering the car had been involved in a gun incident the night before but no weapon was brandished and if you watch the video, is he using the vehicle as a weapon against them or just evading arrest? My opinion is the officer shot prematurely and it resulted in the death of an unarmed man. Was the guy a scumbag? His record would indicate yes, should we go round shooting everyone with a criminal record? 
 


 

 

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48 minutes ago, Strontium said:

Previous about Kaba on the "Police are cunts" thread, pages 46-49

 

https://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/index.php?/forums/topic/63099-police-are-cunts/page/46/

 

I mean, you can probably guess exactly how that "discussion" went down. But I'm glad to see at least Skidfingers has changed his tune now.

 

I never followed that thread at the time, but browsing through it now, there's some interesting claims being presented as fact, not least the justification for Gaba's actions being that he was barricaded by unmarked cars, which we now know was not true, and the copper who shot Gaba being a murderer, despite not having been tried.

 

And there was me wondering if I had the facts when I gave my view on the case today.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Jack the Sipper said:

 

I never followed that thread at the time, but browsing through it now, there's some interesting claims being presented as fact, not least the justification for Gaba's actions being that he was barricaded by unmarked cars, which we now know was not true, and the copper who shot Gaba being a murderer, despite not having been tried.

 

And there was me wondering if I had the facts when I gave my view on the case today.

 

 

 

 

One of the reasons people routinely look like idiots when steaming in on these issues. It's rarely black and white (excuse the idiom) with the full facts often being revealed months, if not years afterwards. 

 

Even after they're revealed,  people still stick to their initial reaction even if it contradicts what they see in front of their eyes. 

 

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2 hours ago, Bjornebye said:


They could have moved out of the way of the car. Or maybe he realised he was surrounded by armed police officers and though “these cunts might shoot me here I need to get away” ???? 
 

“One controlled shot that wouldn’t have been aimed at his head but direct centre mass” 

 

Do you know what firearms the met use? It was either an Sig Sauer or a Heckler and Koch that the SAS have been using for years Is imagine as they’re the assigned weapons (along with a pistol and a rifle but it doesn’t look like he used them to me) 
 

Here’s the SIG516: 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_Sauer_SIG516

Here’s the Glock if they did use a pistol (Glock 17)

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock
 

 

 

A shot from that SIG into the mass of a target would be an extremely high possibility of death. The way the bullets move at that velocity it’s not exiting in a straight line. It’s ricocheting around his body almost guaranteeing death. The Glock isn’t far behind. 

 

Watch the video, the officer positions himself in-front of the car with enough distance to get out of the way of he accelerated. 
 

https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/news/statement-read-out-opening-inquest-death-chris-kaba
 

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Bjornebye said:


Exactly so you saying it wasn’t a head shot is irrelevant mate. He was likely going to die as soon as the officer decided to pull the trigger. 
 

As for the weapon, I agree it was a loaded situation considering the car had been involved in a gun incident the night before but no weapon was brandished and if you watch the video, is he using the vehicle as a weapon against them or just evading arrest? My opinion is the officer shot prematurely and it resulted in the death of an unarmed man. Was the guy a scumbag? His record would indicate yes, should we go round shooting everyone with a criminal record? 
 


 

 


 

Yeah after being presented with the facts I’ve given a pretty decent argument why I don’t think the officer acted with the correct discipline expected from a firearms officer. 
 

I’ll wait for a sensible counter argument other than “he could have hit someone with his car” 

 

This is not America. 

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3 hours ago, Strontium said:

Previous about Kaba on the "Police are cunts" thread, pages 46-49

 

https://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/index.php?/forums/topic/63099-police-are-cunts/page/46/

 

I mean, you can probably guess exactly how that "discussion" went down. But I'm glad to see at least Skidfingers has changed his tune now.


I can’t be right all the time.

 

Happy to admit with more evidence and the benefit of hindsight, that I was wrong. 
 

 

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I don't see any need for it to be called a racial attack. My opinion is it was ill discipline from someone who is supposed to be trained not to flap and fire like he did.

 

Race does come into it when comparing the reactions of the right wing media though. They're fucking outraged that a man in his 60's who was out rioting and being involved in racist violence has died in jail but celebrating an unarmed black man being shot dead without anyone being held accountable. Reverse the skin tones and make your own mind up how different they would react. 

 

Paulie can make his observation that "idiots" are sticking to their initial reaction all he wants. It's bollocks though. I'm even more convinced than initially that the officer was in the wrong. 

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2 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

I can't watch the video but any chance here of using a stun gun or deflating the car tyres? Or were they 'convinced' he was armed?

Popping the tyres wouldn’t have worked in that close proximity because he was so close to them while trying to ram them, he could still have done damage.
I doubt tasers would break car glass also. 
 

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9 minutes ago, John102 said:

Could they have tried shooting him somewhere other than the head?

 

He was sat in a car. it's head or top of the body which is pretty much a guaranteed death. Also he's not static so it's hardly like they could aim for his hand. A warning shot might have sufficed, like shattering his windscreen or maybe a tyre. Shooting someone should be the last of last resorts and only then should be considered if he is about to kill someone or pulls a gun. 

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Chris Kaba, the unarmed man killed by a police firearms officer, was pictured on CCTV shooting a man on a nightclub dancefloor and was alleged to be a core member of a London gang, it can be revealed.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/oct/22/chris-kaba-shot-man-in-club-and-was-alleged-core-member-of-london-gang

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1 minute ago, Section_31 said:

Chris Kaba, the unarmed man killed by a police firearms officer, was pictured on CCTV shooting a man on a nightclub dancefloor and was alleged to be a core member of a London gang, it can be revealed.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/oct/22/chris-kaba-shot-man-in-club-and-was-alleged-core-member-of-london-gang

Just heard that on the radio. Family are a gang of cheeky bastards. Doubt they’d have been in the streets and demanding justice for his victims. 

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6 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Chris Kaba, the unarmed man killed by a police firearms officer, was pictured on CCTV shooting a man on a nightclub dancefloor and was alleged to be a core member of a London gang, it can be revealed.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/oct/22/chris-kaba-shot-man-in-club-and-was-alleged-core-member-of-london-gang

 

Describing someone as "unarmed" when they're ramming people with two tonnes of metal is absolute Peak Guardian.

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