Crime and Punishment

[Bjornebye]

[dockers_strike]

Note the Police's statement on why he was released without charge.

 

The driver who mowed down a knifeman who had stabbed his ex-partner to death in the street will face no further police action.

The Metropolitan Police said the motorist, whom the force did not name but is only known as "Abraham", had been released after officers reviewed the law around self-defence and defence of another.

 

Detective Chief Inspector Neil Rawlinson, from the Met's Specialist Crime Command which is leading the investigation, said: "Having reviewed the CCTV evidence and taken statements of numerous members of the public and attending officers, as well as reviewing the legal position regarding self-defence and defence of another, a decision has been taken that the driver of the car, a 26-year-old man will face no further police action."

 

"He is considered a vital witness to our investigation and will be offered support from professionals to help him come to terms with the terrifying situation he was confronted with.

 

"It is vitally important that when a person dies there is a thorough investigation into all of the circumstances and this has taken place. Such decisions must be thoroughly examined and while this process takes time this has been a priority for my team. The man's legal advisers have been informed of this decision."

 

"Inquests have opened in relation to both deaths and my team will continue to work to provide evidence for the coroner. We continue to appeal for witnesses to this incident who have yet to speak to police to come forward and do so."

 

Yasmin “Wafah” Chkaifi, 43, was killed just minutes away from her home outside the entrance to a park in Maida Vale, west London.

 

An inquest at Westminster Coroner’s Court heard that an arrest warrant for Mr McCaskie had been issued three weeks prior to the incident.

 

Speaking after the incident, family members of Ms Chkaifi praised the driver for his “heroic” actions. The inquest heard that Ms Chkaifi suffered a “truly shocking and distressing death”.

 

Family members, including her two sons, listened in to the short remote hearing on Tuesday.

 

Thousands of people signed a petition demanding the “heroic” driver not face criminal charges for his apparent attempt to save Ms Chkaifi.

In an earlier statement, released by the solicitor Tasnime Akunjee, the driver said: "I understand that the police are doing their job and that my being arrested is not unusual. "However, I do not see why I as the person who tried to assist in the defence of other human beings remain arrested and on bail under suspicion of murder.

 

“I have asked my solicitor to contact the Metropolitan Police to request that they consider de-arresting me and begin treating me as a witness to a tragic event rather than as a criminal as they currently are.”

 

The driver was described him as a Muslim man who was on his way to work when he intervened in the attack. He is also believed to be a married father-of-two originally from Chechnya. 

 

"Abraham" said he was “deeply sorry” to learn Mr NcCaskie had died, adding: “It was never my intention to harm him, I just wanted to stop him from hurting anybody further.

 

"My only regret is that God did not allow me to be present at the scene sooner so that my intervention may have saved the life of the young woman concerned.”

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/02/01/maida-vale-stabbing-police-issued-arrest-warrant-attacker-three/

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40 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

There are whole textbooks dedicated to understanding this bit of the law, but DS has it pinned in a paragraph. 

You really are a fucking cretin and a crass bore. Go and answer another telephone in your call centre.

 

There was a link to the CPS site but you were too thick to fathom that.

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42 minutes ago, Nelly-Fauci said:

I disagree. It could fall under the third manslaughter category. But, this consists of the commission of an unlawful act where the victim "inadvertently” dies. It’s more appropriate for one punch killings where the death isn’t intended, nor is there an intention to cause serious harm, but the victim nevertheless dies. 
 

I don’t agree that the death in the car case was in anyway inadvertent. It was intended.

 

If you intentionally drive a car at somebody and kill them then that clearly satisfies both the guilty act and guilty mind that is required to establish the offence of murder. It is sufficient if the accused intended to kill or cause serious harm. And, that intent shouldn’t be misinterpreted as meaning a desire, plan, goal of the accused. 

 

It can be an "oblique” intent - it might not have been his primary objective, which it now transpires was to try to save the woman - but as the death or serious injury of the deceased was a virtually certain consequence of his actions, the law would provide that he’s intended (obliquely) to kill or cause serious harm to the deceased. The prime example given in legal studies is throwing a brick at somebody who is behind a closed window. Your desire is to hit the person with the brick. But, in reaching that goal, a virtually certain consequence of your action - throwing the brick - is that the window will break. Therefore, you intend to hit a person with a brick, but you also (obliquely) intend to break the window too even if it wasn’t even part of your thought process when chucking the brick.
 

The real pivotal and decisive issue at play 

was whether the killing was done as an acceptable act of self defence or not, which would also determine whether the killing was either a lawful or unlawful one. But, this point of enquiry is still part of a murder investigation. And is what would’ve been investigated by the police while this bloke was on bail. That’s why he was arrested on suspicion of murder and why this was procedurally sound and the correct course of action to take. As were the decisions to bail him while investigations were carried out and then to take no further action once his story was verified. 

Im glad you agree with me it could fall under a manslaughter category. All accademic now because the police have released him. See the statement in another post and clearly not intended.

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47 minutes ago, Nelly-Fauci said:

Intent in a legal context has a different meaning to the standard definition of the word. 
 

At least it did in the precedent cases of Woolin, Hancock and Shankland etc. 

 

Amateur. 

Never professed to be a legal professional. You?

[Rico1304]

9 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

You really are a fucking cretin and a crass bore. Go and answer another telephone in your call centre.

You demonstrated a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation, the law and the process. Again.  Pontificating about something you know nothing about.  Again.  Happy to point that out.  Again. 
 

Phones are down, we need someone with 100% confidence they can fix the system despite not having any experience or expertise in the field. Know anyone? 

[Rico1304]

Just now, dockers_strike said:

Never professed to be a legal professional. You?

And yet…

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

12 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

Never professed to be a legal professional. You?

No. I work on Rico’s phones. 

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7 minutes ago, Nelly-Fauci said:

No. I work on Rico’s phones. 

OK, cool. Dont let him try and bully you into doing a 3 hour stint without a break, that being his M.O. and all that!

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, dockers_strike said:

OK, cool. Dont let him try and bully you into doing a 3 hour stint without a break, that being his M.O. and all that!

Mental 

[dockers_strike]

What a tragedy. I appreciate you shouldnt stereotype but other pictures Ive seen of this guy, well, let's just say I wouldnt have been happy if any daughter of mine had been with him.

 

A man has appeared in court charged with murdering his Mormon girlfriend, who had left Canada for the first time to travel to the UK after meeting him online.

 

Ashley Wadsworth, 19, was found dead in bed at a house in Chelmsford, Essex, on Tuesday, Colchester Magistrates’ Court was told. 

 

The teenager, originally from Vernon, British Columbia, was on a six-month tourist visa and came to the UK last year after meeting the defendant, Jack Sepple, 23, on a dating app.

 

She has been remembered by friends as a woman of deep faith who was committed to the Church of the Latter Day Saints. 

On Thursday Mr Sepple, of Tennyson Road, Chelmsford, appeared in court, wearing a grey jumper and trousers, to face one count of murder. He spoke only to confirm his date of birth and address.

 

Police were called to the property at around 4pm, the court was told. 

Paramedics were unable to save the teenager, it was heard. 

 

No application was made for bail and Sepple was told he will appear at Chelmsford Crown Court on Friday.

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Over the course of recent months, Ms Wadsworth had regularly posted pictures of her sightseeing trips around the UK on social media, describing it as an “amazing trip”. 

 

Her friends and family shared their grief online following news of her death. Hailey Wadsworth, her older sister, wrote underneath a recent photo of her trip to London: “My poor baby sister.”

She added: “I love you so much I miss u everyday ur big sissy loves u.”

 

Her sister later changed her profile picture to show the two of them together, with the caption: “Our angel.” Tianna Kowalchuk, a close friend, wrote: “Probably one of the worst feelings is losing your best friend…I’m sorry there wasn’t more I or anyone else could do to help you. But God has you in his hands now, we have you in our hearts forever.”

 

Another close friend, MacKenzie Palm, said she wished she could tell Ms Wadsworth “one last time that I love you”. She wrote: “You were my best friend, my family and my rock. We went through so many phases together, we did so many silly things together. We made so many memories … I hope heaven is everything you read about in church and more.”

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Fellow worshippers also paid tribute to Ms Wadsworth including Daniel Seaman, who remembered her as a “woman of great faith”. 

He recalled how Ms Wadsworth had initially been sceptical about the Book of Mormon and told him she did not believe the Bible.

 

Before long, however, she sent him a text telling him: “This Book has connected me to Christ more than the Bible ever has.” Mr Seaman wrote on Facebook: “Seeing her faith grow and develop over the course of those few months was inspiring.

 

“She had a hard life, but she was determined to try throughout it all.”

He added: “Thank you for your faith and for your friendship, Ashley.”

Essex Police have requested that anyone with information about the incident, which unfolded at around 4.15pm on Tuesday, contact the force.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/02/03/boyfriend-charged-alleged-murder-canadian-teenager-flew-uk-meet/

[Arniepie]

This is going to sound like a really stupid question and there are probally a million  different answers..but why would you just murder someone like that?

1st of all..why would you end someone's life and destroy a family for no reason.. and then probally spend a big chunk of your life in prison for nothing?

Baffles me

 

[dockers_strike]

Another tragic incident. But what do I know? You 'cant get arrested for manslaughter.' Apparently.

A teenager has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter after a boy was mowed down by a minibus as he walked to school in Kent - as police probe whether the pupil was pushed into the pathway of the oncoming vehicle.

The 11-year-old victim, named locally as Szymon, was struck just metres from his school's entrance by a Mercedes Sprinter at around 8.25am in Northfleet on Wednesday.

The student at the all boys Northfleet Technology College, who loved playing basketball, died from multiple serious injuries after being rushed to hospital.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10473981/Boy-died-hit-stolen-minibus-walked-school-teenager-arrested.html

What the fuck is happening with our society?

[VladimirIlyich]

8 hours ago, dockers_strike said:

Another tragic incident. But what do I know? You 'cant get arrested for manslaughter.' Apparently.

A teenager has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter after a boy was mowed down by a minibus as he walked to school in Kent - as police probe whether the pupil was pushed into the pathway of the oncoming vehicle.

The 11-year-old victim, named locally as Szymon, was struck just metres from his school's entrance by a Mercedes Sprinter at around 8.25am in Northfleet on Wednesday.

The student at the all boys Northfleet Technology College, who loved playing basketball, died from multiple serious injuries after being rushed to hospital.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10473981/Boy-died-hit-stolen-minibus-walked-school-teenager-arrested.html

What the fuck is happening with our society?

The media barons are delighting in making the population live in constant fear and more likely to vote for the people they want them to. Bad stuff has always happened and will continue to while we are fed fear.

[manwiththestick]

Farmer just dealing with a local scruff blocking his gateway. Cleared of criminal damage and dangerous driving. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-60260155

[Bjornebye]

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/bute-park-murder-trial-court-22849979

 

This is horrible. 3 of them killing an innocent man in a 15 minute attack. Bastards. 

[General Dryness]

4 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/bute-park-murder-trial-court-22849979

 

This is horrible. 3 of them killing an innocent man in a 15 minute attack. Bastards. 

I saw that story the other week. What the fuck is wrong with people? One person is dead, three people will spend a long time in prison, and not to mention all of the psychological and emotional damage to family and friends of victim and perpetrators. And for what?

 

The human mind is a fucking conundrum.

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, General Dryness said:

I saw that story the other week. What the fuck is wrong with people? One person is dead, three people will spend a long time in prison, and not to mention all of the psychological and emotional damage to family and friends of victim and perpetrators. And for what?

 

The human mind is a fucking conundrum.

Heart-breaking. A man in his 50's, family and a life behind and in-front of him all gone because 3 little thugs decided it would be fun to boot shit out of him. 

[manwiththestick]

6 minutes ago, General Dryness said:

I saw that story the other week. What the fuck is wrong with people? One person is dead, three people will spend a long time in prison, and not to mention all of the psychological and emotional damage to family and friends of victim and perpetrators. And for what?

 

The human mind is a fucking conundrum.

Also mad that the girl, who was 16 at the time only just met the two lads just before the attack but was happy to get involved.

 

Horrible world.

[sir roger]

37 minutes ago, manwiththestick said:

Farmer just dealing with a local scruff blocking his gateway. Cleared of criminal damage and dangerous driving. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-60260155

Not sure if I'm ok with this.

 

Being pitched as a heroic country dweller thwarting bad townies , but it seems a million miles over the top and typical arrogance from farmer cunts to me. He could easily have killed one of the blokes when he deliberately swung the tractors spikes at him. Might be a different verdict if it is looked at by a jury not from Royston Vasey.

[manwiththestick]

16 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Not sure if I'm ok with this.

 

Being pitched as a heroic country dweller thwarting bad townies , but it seems a million miles over the top and typical arrogance from farmer cunts to me. He could easily have killed one of the blokes when he deliberately swung the tractors spikes at him. Might be a different verdict if it is looked at by a jury not from Royston Vasey.

Yeah, I agree it looks very excessive and I doubt I'd the same leniency out way driveway.

[Bjornebye]

A random drunk lad punches him twice on his own driveway? And the farmer is the cunt for reacting? 

[sir roger]

We have only his word that anybody touched him , and the car had two flat tyres and couldn't be moved. It's not even the car thing for me , he clearly deliberately sideswipes the guy with his tractor and could have killed him. 

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, sir roger said:

We have only his word that anybody touched him , and the car had two flat tyres and couldn't be moved. It's not even the car thing for me , he clearly deliberately sideswipes the guy with his tractor and could have killed him. 

If the lad (who was drunk) did hit him then I've got no sympathy. if he didn't and the farmer was being a twat then he is one. I doubt we will ever know. 

[sir roger]

Just now, Bjornebye said:

If the lad (who was drunk) did hit him then I've got no sympathy. if he didn't and the farmer was being a twat then he is one. I doubt we will ever know. 

True enough , I am just a bit jealous that when I had a bit of argy-bargy with a neighbour over parking that I forgot her sister works on a fork lift.