Tory Cabinet Thread

[Chairman Meow]

9 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Did she really say opposition MPs were 'bellyaching'? What a mammoth twat.

 

We don't actually have news anymore. We have opinion delivered as if it is fact. 

[YorkshireRed]

At what point will enough people become angry enough to say no more!

There’s a second pandemic infecting these Islands, It’s called Apathy. Together with those other illnesses and ailments; Selfishness, Stupidity and Selective Blindness we are certainly a nation gripped by ill health. 
 

Save Our Souls. 

[Section_31]

5 minutes ago, YorkshireRed said:

At what point will enough people become angry enough to say no more!

There’s a second pandemic infecting these Islands, It’s called Apathy. Together with those other illnesses and ailments; Selfishness, Stupidity and Selective Blindness we are certainly a nation gripped by ill health. 
 

Save Our Souls. 

 

At the last election, arguably the most important in recent history, a lot of the coverage was about people taking pictures of their dogs outside polling booths.

 

Via a combination of social media, one sided news coverage dominated by billionaires, reality TV and the rest of it, we've reverse engineered the human spirit to a point where ignorance is strength, and being a moron is cool.

[YorkshireRed]

1 minute ago, Section_31 said:

 

At the last election, arguably the most important in recent history, a lot of the coverage was about people taking pictures of their dogs outside polling booths.

We’re the new ‘Sick Man of Europe’. Just don’t tell anyone we’re still in Europe, that will get them marching in the streets. 

[Bruce Spanner]

15 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

At the last election, arguably the most important in recent history, a lot of the coverage was about people taking pictures of their dogs outside polling booths.

 

Via a combination of social media, one sided news coverage dominated by billionaires, reality TV and the rest of it, we've reverse engineered the human spirit to a point where ignorance is strength, and being a moron is cool.

 

The game was always rigged, we knew that, but now, fuck, it's beyond a joke.

 

They are, and have been, using psy-ops effectively to shape and influence behaviour patterns for as long as this stuff has been about, cheers Russia.

 

Who don't know how deep this runs, but I know for a fact that people with high debt/gambling accounts were specifically targed with threatening messages/images as they are in heightened states of anxiety.

 

You can now listen to the narrative being carved in real time and hear the drones chirp it back verbatim.

 

We know they are doing this and there is nothing at all we can do fight it as a lie takes a second to tell and a week to disprove, by which time the public have moved on and had a readily available explanation to fill the void where their worry is and explain away the doubt, despite it being a fabrication and distortion of reality.

 

Osbourne was the first in the UK to fully utilise it and if you create many versions of the same story confused people will give up looking for an answer themselves and will look for help in those in power.

 

'A new form of “influence government”, which uses sensitive personal data to craft campaigns aimed at altering behaviour has been “supercharged” by the rise of big tech firms, researchers have warned.

 

National and local governments have turned to targeted advertisements on search engines and social media platforms to try to “nudge” the behaviour of the country at large, the academics found.

 

The shift to this new brand of governance stems from a marriage between the introduction of nudge theory in policymaking and an online advertising infrastructure that provides unforeseen opportunities to run behavioural adjustment campaigns.

 

Some of the examples found by the Scottish Centre for Crime and Justice Research (SCCJR) range from a Prevent-style scheme to deter young people from becoming online fraudsters to tips on how to light a candle properly. While targeted advertising is common across business, one researcher argues that the government using it to drive behavioural change could create a perfect feedback loop.

 

“With the government, you’ve got access to all this data where you can see pretty much in real time who you need to talk to demographically, and then on the other end you can actually see, well, ‘did this make a difference?’,” said Ben Collier, of the University of Edinburgh. “The government doing this supercharges the ability of it to actually work.”'

 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/sep/08/study-finds-growing-government-use-of-sensitive-data-to-nudge-behaviour

[Gnasher]

10 hours ago, Section_31 said:

I'd be astounded if any of this extra money found its way into the pockets of care company owners and not staff on minimum wage.

You're right it won't.

 

They're are only two ways care/low paid workers get wage rises, one is through strong unions securing them a fair deal, the other is to curtail excess labour which will then force the employers hand to improve conditions and rates to workers. Ideally if we had the first we wouldn't need the second but alas needs must.

[Gnasher]

She's only been back on our screens a day and she's worse than ever. Starmer should've spent the past two years calling out media bias rather than calling out people in his own party.

 

 

[Gnasher]

58 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Did she really say opposition MPs were 'bellyaching'? What a mammoth twat.

Daily Mirror, 

 

[skend04]

19 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

You're right it won't.

 

They're are only two ways care workers get wage rises, one is through strong unions securing them a fair deal, the other is to curtail excess labour which will force the employers hand to improve conditions and rates to workers. Ideally if we had the first we wouldn't need the second but alas needs must.

Oh look, here's the "curtail all those foreigners" spiel and completely missing why there's a huge churn of staff in the care sector in particular. There was also a 7% vacancy rate in 2019/20. Before the pandemic. Surely that should be zero with all the excess foreigners?

 

Prick 

[Arniepie]

I love the way the media are suggesting the fact that the lying corrupt cunt has actually gone back on his word,is news.

[Bruce Spanner]

4 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

I love the way the media are suggesting the fact that the lying corrupt cunt has actually gone back on his word,is news.

 

Yesterday Alex's key lines were 'Nobody plans for a pandemic' which gives him carte blanche to blame lots of duplicitous shite against that and 'This will not be given in pay rises for middle managers and wasted' effectively telling the public sector they won't be seeing any pay rises while the seals clap along and nod emphatically as the money is siphoned off to chums.

 

All of these will be on loudspeaker drowning out any noise from opposition.

 

You can almost hear the pub bore recite the words of dear leader back at you word for word giving justification for why standards of living are going to get worse.

[Arniepie]

10 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

Yesterday Alex's key lines were 'Nobody plans for a pandemic' which gives him carte blanche to blame lots of duplicitous shite against that and 'This will not be given in pay rises for middle managers and wasted' effectively telling the public sector they won't be seeing any pay rises while the seals clap along and nod emphatically as the money is siphoned off to chums.

 

All of these will be on loudspeaker drowning out any noise from opposition.

 

You can almost hear the pub bore recite the words of dear leader back at you word for word giving justification for why standards of living are going to get worse.

It's exactly the same sketch as when they blamed labour for the financial crash and inflicted a decade a cuts.

The fact that he said he had a plan before covid and is now blaming covid is something else which is going under the radar.

I honestly havent got a clue as to what it's going to take for people to wake up to the fact, that we are being governed by the biggest collection of cunts in living memory.

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

 

At the last election, arguably the most important in recent history, a lot of the coverage was about people taking pictures of their dogs outside polling booths.

 

Pictures of dogs you say, Laura's got it covered, 

 

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Via a combination of social media, one sided news coverage dominated by billionaires, reality TV and the rest of it, we've reverse engineered the human spirit to a point where ignorance is strength, and being a moron is cool.

 

Laura describes Johnson as 'wild' in a funny, friendly type of way in her silly tweet above.

 

I detest that woman.

 

Edit; just listen to her here, ffs

 

 

 

[Bruce Spanner]

5 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

It's exactly the same sketch as when they blamed labour for the financial crash and inflicted a decade a cuts.

The fact that he said he had a plan before covid and is now blaming covid is something else which is going under the radar.

I honestly havent got a clue as to what it's going to take for people to wake up to the fact, that we are being governed by the biggest collection of cunts in living memory.

 

It has to be the youth, they are the key.

 

If a person goes to universty and takes on loans in addition to the new tax hikes they will be paying 43% tax for most of their working life if you add student loans as a form of tax on prosperity, that is just unacceptable.

 

They are being royally screwed and they need to be angry, or be pointed in the right direction.

 

We know how this plays out though...

 

At the next election you'll have them say record investment in the NHS, they'll pledge a NI cut in the manifesto, more investment in public services which don't actually make up for the previous cuts, and the cycle continues with people lapping up the half truths and dishonesty.

[Gnasher]

20 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

It has to be the youth, they are the key.

 

If a person goes to universty and takes on loans in addition to the new tax hikes they will be paying 43% tax for most of their working life if you add student loans as a form of tax on prosperity, that is just unacceptable.

 

They are being royally screwed and they need to be angry, or be pointed in the right direction.

 

We know how this plays out though...

 

At the next election you'll have them say record investment in the NHS, they'll pledge a NI cut in the manifesto, more investment in public services which don't actually make up for the previous cuts, and the cycle continues with people lapping up the half truths and dishonesty.

Our youth do not "need pointing" in any direction, the vast majority want socialism, and are prepared to vote for it, it's the people within the Labour Party who need pointing, preferably with a very sharp stick.

 

https://www.bigissue.com/latest/social-activism/nearly-70-of-young-people-want-socialism-and-no-they-wont-grow-out-of-it/

 

 

Lest we forget the traitors,

 

 

[Colonel Bumcunt]

21 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

Yesterday Alex's key lines were 'Nobody plans for a pandemic' which gives him carte blanche to blame lots of duplicitous shite against that and 'This will not be given in pay rises for middle managers and wasted' effectively telling the public sector they won't be seeing any pay rises while the seals clap along and nod emphatically as the money is siphoned off to chums.

 

Ok, a couple of things.

He's right obviously, the pandemic is a legitimate get-out clause for many things they promised, and at this rate we'll be having another election soon, with a revised 5 year plan being promised.

I'm actually surprised it's taken them this long to play the pandemic card, but it will be played ad-nauseum now, just like Bush administration was able to play the 'we are at war' card post 9/11 and push things through. 

 

In terms of middle managers.  In my experience of local government, and working alongside the public sector more generally, the layers of middle-management are very often down to a few things. 

 

Perhaps in no order, one being that there is such a huge gulf between what the top management earn and what the worker bees earn.   As such, the top management then say they can't possibly have the time to actually line-manage all the worker bees, so they create a sub-strata of management to keep an eye on the worker bees and the day-to-day mechanics of keeping the services running.

 

Now, the problem of what top managers earn, and how that translates to what middle-managers earn, is usually as a result of consultants, and/or recommendations from bodies like the Local Government Association, or it's equivalent in the NHS, or the police, or fire service, etc.  I hate consultancy bodies with a passion, they are absurd, hugely expensive, and full of recommendations based on 0% risk and completely detached from the realities of running an organisation in the real world because they don't have real conversations with real workers, they talk to managers and have a mutual wank about how intelligent they both think the other is and then throw around some management jargon, have lunch somewhere nice, and that's the gig.  So in a vast number of cases, middle management is created by the recommendations of government-mandated advisory bodies, and by the uncontrolled wages of top management deepening a void and disconnect between them and the other workers. 

 

My line manager created his own role.  After a restructure, and a retirement, my department was left with four or five of us on Grade 4 wages (24k ish) being directly managed by the Chief Executive, who was on 100k.  My mate saw an opportunity and started designing himself a new role, on a Grade 7, to be the go-between, the manager of us.  The then chief exec, after about 6 months, installed him properly.  This was also a recommendation from the LGA.  Now, our Chief Exec only works Tue/Wed/Thu and even then he works remotely, and even then he does fuck all apart from plant seeds in the minds of councillors, and position himself close to MP's and whoever else so that he can raise his own profile and one day get an even better job, probably as a consultant.  My mate now does slightly more than he would otherwise, I suppose, but predominantly his main work is making himself look indispensible to the Chief Exec, and the councillors, again, just raising his profile.  He attends countless meetings where the main thrust of the meetings is a competition to see who can 'win' the meeting by being more alpha than anyone else, while actually delivering nothing.  

 

I find local authority work laughable at the moment.  I want to be a councillor, that's where the power is, and that's where you can speak your mind.  I live in a small community and because I work with the councillors, even at low pay, I am politically-restricted in what I can say in public, even on Facebook.  But it's a steady income, and I grit my teeth for now, I've got a family to support and a house to rent (obviously you can't buy a fucking house here for less than £300k). 

 

I am bored senseless at work.  It's using 1% of my intelligence, and time. Nobody seems to care about me not doing anything, but moreover, nobody seems to care about developing us, or challenging us, or holding the high-paid to account, there is just complete apathy.  The only thing that seems to energise the councillors is talking about planning applications.  Fuck that.  We were given £160,000 by the government as part of the 'Welcome Back Fund' to help tourists reintegrate safely on the islands.  So far, all I've ever seen are a few footprints painted outside shops to show the guide for social distancing when queuing.  The government has been launching money at local authorities with fuck-all oversight.  And yet they have the fucking neck to complain about middle-management wastage.  They invented it, the consultants, the auditors, just a complete waste of time, jobs for the boys, it's all a fucking joke and leaves genuinely passionate people like me staring into space and wishing I could get out of this horrible cycle. 

[Bruce Spanner]

17 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

Ok, a couple of things.

He's right obviously, the pandemic is a legitimate get-out clause for many things they promised, and at this rate we'll be having another election soon, with a revised 5 year plan being promised.

I'm actually surprised it's taken them this long to play the pandemic card, but it will be played ad-nauseum now, just like Bush administration was able to play the 'we are at war' card post 9/11 and push things through. 

 

In terms of middle managers.  In my experience of local government, and working alongside the public sector more generally, the layers of middle-management are very often down to a few things. 

 

Perhaps in no order, one being that there is such a huge gulf between what the top management earn and what the worker bees earn.   As such, the top management then say they can't possibly have the time to actually line-manage all the worker bees, so they create a sub-strata of management to keep an eye on the worker bees and the day-to-day mechanics of keeping the services running.

 

Now, the problem of what top managers earn, and how that translates to what middle-managers earn, is usually as a result of consultants, and/or recommendations from bodies like the Local Government Association, or it's equivalent in the NHS, or the police, or fire service, etc.  I hate consultancy bodies with a passion, they are absurd, hugely expensive, and full of recommendations based on 0% risk and completely detached from the realities of running an organisation in the real world because they don't have real conversations with real workers, they talk to managers and have a mutual wank about how intelligent they both think the other is and then throw around some management jargon, have lunch somewhere nice, and that's the gig.  So in a vast number of cases, middle management is created by the recommendations of government-mandated advisory bodies, and by the uncontrolled wages of top management deepening a void and disconnect between them and the other workers. 

 

My line manager created his own role.  After a restructure, and a retirement, my department was left with four or five of us on Grade 4 wages (24k ish) being directly managed by the Chief Executive, who was on 100k.  My mate saw an opportunity and started designing himself a new role, on a Grade 7, to be the go-between, the manager of us.  The then chief exec, after about 6 months, installed him properly.  This was also a recommendation from the LGA.  Now, our Chief Exec only works Tue/Wed/Thu and even then he works remotely, and even then he does fuck all apart from plant seeds in the minds of councillors, and position himself close to MP's and whoever else so that he can raise his own profile and one day get an even better job, probably as a consultant.  My mate now does slightly more than he would otherwise, I suppose, but predominantly his main work is making himself look indispensible to the Chief Exec, and the councillors, again, just raising his profile.  He attends countless meetings where the main thrust of the meetings is a competition to see who can 'win' the meeting by being more alpha than anyone else, while actually delivering nothing.  

 

I find local authority work laughable at the moment.  I want to be a councillor, that's where the power is, and that's where you can speak your mind.  I live in a small community and because I work with the councillors, even at low pay, I am politically-restricted in what I can say in public, even on Facebook.  But it's a steady income, and I grit my teeth for now, I've got a family to support and a house to rent (obviously you can't buy a fucking house here for less than £300k). 

 

I am bored senseless at work.  It's using 1% of my intelligence, and time. Nobody seems to care about me not doing anything, but moreover, nobody seems to care about developing us, or challenging us, or holding the high-paid to account, there is just complete apathy.  The only thing that seems to energise the councillors is talking about planning applications.  Fuck that.  We were given £160,000 by the government as part of the 'Welcome Back Fund' to help tourists reintegrate safely on the islands.  So far, all I've ever seen are a few footprints painted outside shops to show the guide for social distancing when queuing.  The government has been launching money at local authorities with fuck-all oversight.  And yet they have the fucking neck to complain about middle-management wastage.  They invented it, the consultants, the auditors, just a complete waste of time, jobs for the boys, it's all a fucking joke and leaves genuinely passionate people like me staring into space and wishing I could get out of this horrible cycle. 

 

You'll find no argument that the system is flawed and rigged, it was the wider point that they are priming the population for pay freezes, some who have not seen increases for years and have now just been told to suck it up again.

 

So, that's those at the bottom of public services and those in the middle who are told they are seeing real wage stagnation or regression when held up against the wider economic situation, but those consultancy firms you speak of are free to cream off as much as possible. The system is built to sustain this transferal of wealth away from public to private enterprise, that's the whole point of this latest Tory land grab.

[Gnasher]

55 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

It has to be the youth, they are the key.

 

If a person goes to universty and takes on loans in addition to the new tax hikes they will be paying 43% tax for most of their working life if you add student loans as a form of tax on prosperity, that is just unacceptable.

 

They are being royally screwed and they need to be angry, or be pointed in the right direction.

 

Err..

 

55 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

We know how this plays out though...

 

At the next election you'll have them say record investment in the NHS, they'll pledge a NI cut in the manifesto, more investment in public services which don't actually make up for the previous cuts, and the cycle continues with people lapping up the half truths and dishonesty.

 

[Arniepie]

49 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

It has to be the youth, they are the key.

 

If a person goes to universty and takes on loans in addition to the new tax hikes they will be paying 43% tax for most of their working life if you add student loans as a form of tax on prosperity, that is just unacceptable.

 

They are being royally screwed and they need to be angry, or be pointed in the right direction.

 

We know how this plays out though...

 

At the next election you'll have them say record investment in the NHS, they'll pledge a NI cut in the manifesto, more investment in public services which don't actually make up for the previous cuts, and the cycle continues with people lapping up the half truths and dishonesty.

I think the issue is deep rooted and complex.

I think generetionally we are a conservative country.i think almost psychologically the tories are seen as born to rule.Loòk at the damage Thatcher, Cameron and now this cunt have done and yet it's still labour who cant be trusted.

I think that's down to issues such as class which are still factors today.

Maybe because we are an island and people dont see us as European is also a factor?

There are off course other issues such as the massive influence the media has,the general attitude to politics many people have,the traditional distrust of anything remotely left wing but it all adds up to a thoroughly depressing situation 

[Bruce Spanner]

Glorious.

 

Imagine missing the point spectacularly then producing evidence that doesn't actually relate to whatever imaginary fight you were fighting and then doubling down with something that within the next tweet was disproven and shown to be bollocks in the very same thread, by the authors own admission.

 

NB The study used to support 'Young people' wanting socialism is actually a report on millennials, I am a millennial for reference and I certainly don't feel as sprightly as I once did, and is cobbled together with exerts from Teen Vogue and Yougov polls and relies on inference as opposed evidence.

 

Never change.

[Colonel Bumcunt]

2 hours ago, Arniepie said:

 

There are off course other issues such as the massive influence the media has,the general attitude to politics many people have

Politics has to compete with entertainment to get people's attention, hence why 'Boris' won.  It's totally personality-driven now. 

 

Starmer is a good man but he had no personality.

 

What we actually need are the likes of Frankie Boyle, Steve Coogan, and Hugh Grant to get off their social media pedestals and actually run for a seat. People would watch PMQs in their millions if Boyle was the leader of the opposition.

 

The beauty of it is that the right would try to counter with their own celebrity, but actually the ego's of the Oxbridge cunts would actually get in the way of doing that, too many of them will see it as their birth-right, and will put themselves ahead of the party.

 

At the moment Labour may as well just clock-off and not turn up to parliament or say anything.  There's no point, and it won't really affect the polls either.  

[Creator Supreme]

16 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

Politics has to compete with entertainment to get people's attention, hence why 'Boris' won.  It's totally personality-driven now. 

 

Starmer is a good man but he had no personality.

 

What we actually need are the likes of Frankie Boyle, Steve Coogan, and Hugh Grant to get off their social media pedestals and actually run for a seat. People would watch PMQs in their millions if Boyle was the leader of the opposition.

 

The beauty of it is that the right would try to counter with their own celebrity, but actually the ego's of the Oxbridge cunts would actually get in the way of doing that, too many of them will see it as their birth-right, and will put themselves ahead of the party.

 

At the moment Labour may as well just clock-off and not turn up to parliament or say anything.  There's no point, and it won't really affect the polls either.  

I'd pay money to see Boyle tell Johnson to Fuck Off at PMQ's! I'd pay money to see anybody do it actually.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 hours ago, Gnasher said:

You're right it won't.

 

They're are only two ways care/low paid workers get wage rises, one is through strong unions securing them a fair deal, the other is to curtail excess labour which will then force the employers hand to improve conditions and rates to workers. Ideally if we had the first we wouldn't need the second but alas needs must.

Kick out the forrins!

[Gnasher]

7 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Kick out the forrins!

You keep repeating that quote but it's a very simplistic approach, doesn't the EU give rich European countries workers  an unfair advantage over workers from say Asia or the Caribbean?

 

If Labour are seen to be more worried about a lorry driver from Latvia than one from Leicester, or a care home worker from Hungary than one from Huddersfield they are going to get hammered by voters at the next election.  I'd think most of the European workers who have returned have found employment anyway simply because the vast majority are willing to travel and are good at their jobs. 

 

As for the Unions, lack of mass available labour has undoubtedly strengthened their hand, as shown by the new Unite leader flagging up wage rises recently gained in Poultry factorys.

 

On the subject of young voters choosing socialism but rejecting the Labour Party, a fair point is made here by Bastani, the Labour Party is gifting votes, 

 

 

 

[Jairzinho]

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