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35 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Well, agreed, but the player has never had liability - who does?

 

In the states there are health workers being fired because they refuse to work without proper protection. That will, and should,  end up in court.

I agree that there's every chance of court cases if employers don't take reasonable  steps to protect their workers. I just can't see it happening in the Prem as the clubs will be desperate to protect the players to the extent they can. 

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1 minute ago, aws said:

I agree that there's every chance of court cases if employers don't take reasonable  steps to protect their workers. I just can't see it happening in the Prem as the clubs will be desperate to protect the players to the extent they can. 

Of course - the first step will be insurance. Like they have now. Who is liable?

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2 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Of course - the first step will be insurance. Like they have now. Who is liable?

I should think most employers will carry insurance which will cover accidents, omissions, careless acts etc but if an employer has deliberately or recklessly put an employee at risk I expect he'll be on his own. It'll be a question of degeee in each case. 

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5 hours ago, LFC 6 Times said:

I don’t think there’s a chance the club will allow the void thing come to pass, particularly given precedent set in Belgium and Scotland. We’re too big an entity, the biggest and best team in the league they are not going to be allowed pry this from our hands. I’d genuinely want the club to refuse to compete in future leagues if they do.

Genuinely want the club to refuse to compete in future leagues? Look, I understand the anger and frustration but you're talking about Liverpool FC no longer existing if that is the case.

 

No, the club has to carry on and will carry on but, Id be more supportive of the club seeking a breakaway European league and fuck everton, city, chelsea andoneor two other holier than thou clubs.

3 hours ago, chrisbonnie said:

Out of curiosity, is the Premier league the only big league in Europe where voiding it is even being mentioned? 

 

 

There have been rumblings in Serie A and La Liga. Thing is, we dont get to hear much talk of this except when the agenda being pushed by a newspaper is in making the Premier League 'null and void.'

1 hour ago, kemskem said:

Most fans didn’t want Man Utd to win it in 92 or 93 because they thought they were entitled and would be unbearable. It’s the same for us at the moment. It’s also plain jealousy. The rest is just noise from mainly cowards on social media who wouldn’t have the guts to say any of it to your face.

As much as I detested united winning their titles, I really could have seen myself calling for the season to be null and void to have stopped them winning if they were in this season. I honestly dont think Id even want it voided if it was city or even everton but as someone says a little back in the thread, we're supposedly English football's pariah and dont deserve anything.

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Just now, aws said:

I should think most employers will carry insurance which will cover accidents, omissions, careless acts etc but if an employer has deliberately or recklessly put an employee at risk I expect he'll be on his own. It'll be a question of degeee in each case. 

Yea, like 6 months ago. Before.

 

After this debacle you can be very sure that Corona itself will be explicitly named as exempt as will any other future pandemic or "unforeseen health disaster", both in liability and business policies.

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11 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

Genuinely want the club to refuse to compete in future leagues? Look, I understand the anger and frustration but you're talking about Liverpool FC no longer existing if that is the case.

 

No, the club has to carry on and will carry on but, Id be more supportive of the club seeking a breakaway European league and fuck everton, city, chelsea andoneor two other holier than thou clubs.

There have been rumblings in Serie A and La Liga. Thing is, we dont get to hear much talk of this except when the agenda being pushed by a newspaper is in making the Premier League 'null and void.'

As much as I detested united winning their titles, I really could have seen myself calling for the season to be null and void to have stopped them winning if they were in this season. I honestly dont think Id even want it voided if it was city or even everton but as someone says a little back in the thread, we're supposedly English football's pariah and dont deserve anything.

 

i think im the same, 

 

there could probably be an argument if the points where so close, but the fact we're 25 points ahead means there cant, in any way shape or form be a legitimate argument for cancelling the season without us being awarded the title. 

 

im not in the UK myself (Ireland), but none of my friends think it should be voided, and i mean the non Liverpool ones.

 

Ive said it before, and ill say it again. If they planned on not restarting the season then the fairest thing to is the positions stay as they are, but no relegations across any league.

 

promote the top 2 from each league, then at the end of the following season you relegate 5 teams, but promote the usual 3, then you're back to normal. 

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1 hour ago, kemskem said:

Most fans didn’t want Man Utd to win it in 92 or 93 because they thought they were entitled and would be unbearable. It’s the same for us at the moment. It’s also plain jealousy. The rest is just noise from mainly cowards on social media who wouldn’t have the guts to say any of it to your face.

Deffo, the fact we haven't won the league for so long is the only thing other teams fans have over us.
 

They thought it was about to end but this void bullshit has given them a glimmer of hope and they would love to be able to rub our noses in it should we be denied it. 
 

It will be the Gerrard slip x 1000! 

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The main issue for me is what happens if they do restart in June and then after a couple games, a player or two get infected? Does the whole thing stop again while they and teammates or opponents go into self isolation for another 2 weeks?

 

If so, putting on my cynical hat, what's stopping a player from Leicester or Chelsea for example, conveniently getting infected to halt the league again at that point? Because at that stage,  if it has to be halted again, the subsequent decision would certainly be to call the table as final. Leading to Leicester & Chelsea's CL qualification. 

 

 

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To avoid compromising the restart of the season through players inconveniently or conveniently getting infected, I think the best solution was one suggested a few weeks ago.

 

After testing, put all the teams, refs, media people etc into a 5 week quarantine in hotels, like a world cup training camp. Strict security to be enforced. No going back home to your family in that period.

 

Use only a few neutral venues for all games and the only allowed movement for anyone in that period is from hotel to stadium and back. That way, the chances of compromising the restart of the season will be minimised imo.

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44 minutes ago, devilsadvocate said:

Deffo, the fact we haven't won the league for so long is the only thing other teams fans have over us.
 

They thought it was about to end but this void bullshit has given them a glimmer of hope and they would love to be able to rub our noses in it should we be denied it. 
 

It will be the Gerrard slip x 1000! 

Oh absolutely. They are saying we are disgusting for wanting the season finished with people dying yet will all be singing about us losing the title (or tainted title) when footy restarts without any sense of irony at all the thick fucking twats. 

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1 hour ago, chrisbonnie said:

 

i think im the same, 

 

there could probably be an argument if the points where so close, but the fact we're 25 points ahead means there cant, in any way shape or form be a legitimate argument for cancelling the season without us being awarded the title. 

 

im not in the UK myself (Ireland), but none of my friends think it should be voided, and i mean the non Liverpool ones.

 

Ive said it before, and ill say it again. If they planned on not restarting the season then the fairest thing to is the positions stay as they are, but no relegations across any league.

 

promote the top 2 from each league, then at the end of the following season you relegate 5 teams, but promote the usual 3, then you're back to normal. 

Might have something to do with you being in Ireland! I'm sure football fans from any other country outside of england would be the same about voiding the season.

 

We attract irrational hatred. Fellas over a certain age afraid of us having an era of dominamce again and younger ones basking in crowing about us being so long without a league. I know other clubs have a big following in Ireland, but from meeting non-Liverpool supporting Irish lads on holidays they tend to be able to talk about football without the tribal shit but I'm sure some of them play to the gallery as well.

 

Not a hope the season is voided. I still think the season will be completed in some shape or form, even if it is a few months, but at worst they will award it to us imo and relegate nobody. Nobody knows what will happen with next season, but the likelihood is that they will have to be creative. I wouldn't be shocked if games are played in saudi arabia or qatar, whether it is completing this season or games next season. Clubs will seize the opportunity to get a few extra quid and at least they could say it creates an atmosphere of sorts.

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The righteous indignation of the cunts is absolutely pathetic and so blatantly pretence. Our club being deprived of something is their motivation, not one single one of them cares one jot about the people dying.

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4 hours ago, TK421 said:

There's an argument that as role models they should be held to a higher standard of behaviour.  Hey, if the Premier League is back on why can't I have a kickabout in the park?  Before you know it everyone is infected. 

We're talking 6 or 8 weeks before this happens. I don't see any reason why a kick about shouldn't be happening. Buses and trains will probably be full by that stage anyway which will he a million times worse than any game of football.

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Andy Holt and Brady kicking off again. Holt likes the sound of his own voice too much but brady is just a corrupt cunt. She has no care for sporting integrity or, any integrity whatsoever. She just sees this situation as an unadulterated attempt to keep west ham in the PL for another season, hopefully rebuild and strengthen. If she achieved that, it would be the 2nd time west ham had cheated to stay in the PL to match the tevez shit a few years ago.

 

This article reads to me to be buttering people up to the idea the PL will not be finished. The idea that next season should start as if nothing untowards had happened to the current season is a disgrace in my opinion.

 

A growing number of Football League clubs are questioning the wisdom of attempting to finish the 2019-20 season.

League One and League Two clubs are increasingly highlighting the problems of ensuring the safety of players and staff even if the lockdown restrictions are eased and the English Football League restarts games.

Many have expressed reservations this week, with Accrington Stanley chairman Andy Holt the most vocal, telling The Mail on Sunday that it makes no financial sense for smaller clubs to play on and even threatening to boycott matches if forced to finish the season.

Premier League clubs are still discussing the possibility of awarding Liverpool the title and abandoning relegation, although the vast majority want the season to finish because of the legal and financial problems if it does not.

The Premier League also face enormous logistical and medical challenges to restart the season. Entire squads and support staff may have to stay in lockdown hotels for at least 40 days to minimise the risk of contracting the virus, That would cost up to £500,000.

That isn’t realistic in lower leagues where the most pressing problem is that so many players will be out of contract on June 30.

Holt, owner of League One Accrington, said: ‘It will cost us half a million pounds to finish this season, if that’s what the EFL decide they want to do. I would rather use that money on rebuilding for next season instead of spending three more months now watching it die. If it is a choice for us between playing dead rubber fixtures or surviving, we will be surviving. The main risk for Accrington Stanley is for the EFL to force us to spend money we have not got on games that do not matter to us.

‘I hope it doesn’t come to this but maybe it will get to the point where we are losing points because we have not fielded a team. Even if that gets us relegated, my job is to make sure Accrington Stanley stays afloat.’

Another EFL club owner said: ‘The walls are closing in because of the number of players who will be out of contract on June 30. Several club owners are saying they have no intention of paying those players beyond then [if the season were to run into August]. They haven’t got the money.

‘And if some of the players have agreed to join other clubs, they’ll be reluctant to risk themselves for their current clubs. Whatever happens, the integrity of the competition will be compromised.’

The Premier League clubs are discussing the possibility of putting players up in hotels to minimise the risk of them being infected and testing them every two days. If Government advice changes, they hope to start training in mid May and resume the season the week of June 8.

Premier League medical advisor Mark Gillett is coordinating plans for a restart, but it is impossible to be clear as to how it could work.

The Premier League have insisted that they would only authorise regular testing of squads when there was sufficient laboratory capacity to support the mass testing within the wider community.

Several issues have been raised in recent days by clubs, including:

  • How to deal with players who suffer from asthma, one of the at-risk groups. One club owner has told The Mail on Sunday that they won’t allow one of their players who has asthma to participate in any restart as the risks of contracting coronavirus and developing a serious illness are too great.
  •  Whether clubs might have to perform heart scans on players who have contracted the virus for myocarditis or inflammation of the heart muscle. It’s as yet unclear how the virus might affect humans long term.
  • How to protect support staff, who are often less fit and over 50, and so are at more risk than younger players. Crystal Palace manager Roy Hodgson is 72.
  • How to treat injured players when private hospitals are being used to relieve pressure on the NHS. If you could scan a player at a private hospital, it is questionable whether he could then return to the quarantined group at a hotel.
  • The policy if a player does contract the virus despite quarantine? Will a team have to then isolate for a further 14 days, delaying fixtures again?
  • Whether neutral venues such as Wembley should be used, hosting three matches in a day to minimise the number of medical staff, TV camera operators and support staff who need to travel?

There continues to be talk of awarding Liverpool the title and dispensing with relegation if the season cannot be finished. 

Brighton owner Tony Bloom said: ‘I don’t foresee a situation, if the season’s not played out, that teams will get relegated on a points-per-game basis. I just don’t think it’s fathomable that a team which is not allowed to play out the season, may lose out on 0.2 of a point based on this system.

Also it does not take into account the strength of the teams you have not played. You may get a title winner, obviously Liverpool deserve it, you may use that criteria for European qualification but I do not see how anyone can vote for that, certainly the (70) per cent needed, for teams to get relegated.

No detailed plans can be finalised until Government advice changes, with lockdown currently extended until May 7. There is an expectation that training will restart soon after, as long as the government projections about the pace of the pandemic are met.

There is no prospect of fans being allowed in, with many experts saying that is likely to remain the case until a vaccine is in widespread circulation.

One Premier League club has told players they are likely to be in a hotel quarantine for around 50 days to finish the season. But that raises mental health issues if players can only leave a hotel to train and are unable to see their families.

West Ham vice-chairman Karren Brady outlined some of the problems facing the Premier League in her newspaper column yesterday. 

Everyone at the stadium - and even behind closed doors this is about 300-500 people - including security, staff, medical officers, players, referees and media, will have to have temperature checks, fill out health questionnaires and observe social distancing,’ she wrote. 

‘Then there is the issue of injuries. All this is manageable but what if a player is injured, where do we send him? It can’t be to an NHS hospital that is already under pressure and private hospitals are carrying out NHS procedures and not taking in injured footballers. So then what?’

No one has come up with a clear plan if a player or member of staff contracts coronavirus during the restarted season. That could mean the entire squad having to go into another 14 days of isolation, holding up the season again.

Dr Bharat Pankhania, a senior clinical lecturer at Exeter University Medical School, who specialises infectious disease management, said: ‘If Player A has now shed the virus I will only know for sure if player B, C, D and E have picked it up or not in 14 days’ time.’

Additional testing might help, but Dr Pankhania said: ‘You could test negative today but you could be incubating the virus and you could be infectious up to three days. You can test negative and you may not have signs and symptoms and then go to work and infect people.

‘But if a team of say 40 players and staff are kept segregated and another team of 40 are kept segregated and no one is showing signs of infection and we have tested and checked and we’ve done a lot of due diligence, then play the game. But who is going to take those decisions?’

The Bundesliga is planning to restart in early May and clubs are already training. Teams are likely to be tested every two days, but Germany is currently performing more than 100,000 tests a day. In the UK, the government said 21,389 tests were carried out on Friday.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8233195/Lower-league-clubs-cash-crisis-push-call-season-one-threatening-boycott-games.html#newcomment

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All these same issues are going to be present until a vaccine is developed so basically these owners bringing up all these concerns on why the season can't restart are saying that we can't play any matches for possibly the next 12-18 mths or do they think come August everything will be fine and dandy! 

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Not sure what problem that wanker at Accrington has with us , he was the guy that made a big fuss about our team against Shrewsbury. I'm surprised John Coleman hasn't filled him in.

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35 minutes ago, devilsadvocate said:

All these same issues are going to be present until a vaccine is developed so basically these owners bringing up all these concerns on why the season can't restart are saying that we can't play any matches for possibly the next 12-18 mths or do they think come August everything will be fine and dandy! 

Yes, they think it will all be fine and dandy plus their income streams will be as good as before the season stopped.

 

For lower league clubs, money through the turnstiles is important but they dont seem to realise if the league restarts in August, they'll likely be playing in empty stadiums. Ergo, financially, they'll be further up shit creek than now because they'll still have to pay their players and staff.

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4 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

Oh absolutely. They are saying we are disgusting for wanting the season finished with people dying yet will all be singing about us losing the title (or tainted title) when footy restarts without any sense of irony at all the thick fucking twats. 

The 'want people to die' line thrown out to shut down an alternative point of view (and not just in footy) has been one of the most annoying things about this whole situation. And as you say, the irony of it being used to take the moral high ground is amazing. 

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I also don’t want people to die, so they can just award us the title now and be done with it, ta.

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Lots of logistical problems - none of which will just go away if they start a new season. On the basis of everything in that article, then we might as well just say, 'right, that's it then. No football at all until a vaccine is found.' Except that's not what all the pricks being quoted in that article want because there would only be about half a dozen clubs left who hadn't gone bankrupt by the time that happens. It's about time someone actually asked these people how exactly they envision a full season being played out around this virus when they dismiss every suggestion that is made to try and get 9 or 10 games played.

 

 

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How is playing in June/July more dangerous than playing in September?  If anything, September will be more dangerous as cases build up again after release from lockdown. 

 

 

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10 hours ago, A_S said:

The 'want people to die' line thrown out to shut down an alternative point of view (and not just in footy) has been one of the most annoying things about this whole situation. And as you say, the irony of it being used to take the moral high ground is amazing. 

Correct. And I'll gaurantee virtually every one of those match going footie fans spouting that bullshit will be at their team's first home game as soon as it is allowed.

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24 minutes ago, aws said:

How is playing in June/July more dangerous than playing in September?  If anything, September will be more dangerous as cases build up again after release from lockdown. 

 

 

Stop applying common sense. It ruins

peoples arguments. 

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2 hours ago, aws said:

How is playing in June/July more dangerous than playing in September?  If anything, September will be more dangerous as cases build up again after release from lockdown. 

 

 

If it is truly dangerous at any time surely they shouldn't play.

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1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

If it is truly dangerous at any time surely they shouldn't play.

I think everybody in the country is going to have to live with a bit of danger until a vaccine is (hopefully) available next year sometime. The vulnerable will stay in lockdown but everybody else will just have to get on with their lives and take whatever sensible precautions they can.  

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