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Coronavirus could prevent Liverpool from winning the Premier League title


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2 hours ago, MegadriveMan said:

 

The point he's making is that if he's paid to see a league game and the league is voided then effectively the game he watched was a meaningless friendly.  

It’s a completely invalid point because there is absolutely no remit to recover individual tickets if a season is not completed. You paid to watch a game of football, you watched a game of football .. 

 

Now questioning what happens to season tickets paid for where the full game allocation has not completed is a different matter. If the season finishes behind close doors compensation should be due.

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5 minutes ago, Supremolad said:

Apparently, Liverpool are promising to field strongest possible line ups for each of the remaining 9 games. 

 

That's commendable on our part. Although I dont think we owe those cunts in the bottom 6 any favours.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/05/10/liverpool-will-field-strongest-line-up-remaining-premier-league/

Shouldn't have to dignify the twats with a statement. 

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I find it notable and refreshing, that despite being currently in the bottom 3, that Bournemouth, as a club, have not been bellyaching and bitching in the media, with smalltime self-interest shite that those around them have come out with. 

 

Plus, they are at least due to be cut some slack from Liverpool fans for buying Ibe, Smith & Solanke at premium prices, a practice we would like to see continue, should we have some similar calibre players to offload.

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6 hours ago, dockers_strike said:

Some good points. But if Liverpool ever resorted to 'doing what's best for the club' by trying to cheat the season and avoid relegation, then Id fuck football off.

 

I dont recall the club resorting to these tricks in 89 when we completed the season and ran out of steam against Arsenal at Anfield in that last game.

 

They simply cannot hide behind 'doing what's best for their club' while blocking every suggestion to get the season re started, avoid relegation as a price for neutral stadiums and in the next breath effectively say, 'let's start pre season in July and kick off next season on 8 August.'

 

 

Well firstly, I don't think you can compare us in 89 for lots.of reasons, but the main 2 being we are owned by different people and commercially things were very different back then. Also, our own club acted in a commercial manner just weeks ago and got fucking slaughtered for it and had to back track. From a business perspective it is identical to what Brighton are doing, except Brighton's loss of premier league status would be far more damaging than the 2-3m furlough shortfall LFC tires to make up through the covid furlough payment scheme. 

5 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

They only need to be fighting on one front to guarantee they step  - the pitch FFS!

 

It would take three clubs to all overtake them and they have GD on their side.

 

Shithouses to the extreme

Yeah, but if you use 2020 as a guide, they're not staying up. To be fair to barber, in the interview I heard, he was keen to play the games, just not with losing home "advantage". He claimed they've invested lots of money in making their training complex the same their stadium to make the marginal gains to help them and doesn't want to give that up. No matter the value of that advantage, it's just obvious he has to use it to fight Brighton's corner as he has to be seen willing to try and finish the season and it would appear this neutral suggestion comes from the police "we'd have played if.it wasn't for those coppers"

5 hours ago, No2 said:

Their wages to turnover is the worst in the league by a long way. They are proper fucked if they spend more than a season in the championship. That for me is not a very well run club.

 

The remark about going early is relation to the 3 players testing positive, they have tonnes of time to isolate and get ready with plenty to spare for mid June. Unless a family member/house mate is working on the front line there is no excuse for these players to have picked up the virus.

They've not been in this league for long, I think it's expected they'rewage to turnover ratio is high because they've been here long enough to be paying PL wages but perhaps not enough to gain additional sponsorship, especially with the shite football they played under Houghton. 

 

As for their 3 players and gone too early. Their latest attempt to derail is tomorrow, this can and will be part of their weaponry to refuse to return to training. According to the times last week I think the return to training was scheduled for Wednesday (someone posted it on this thread) - which after tonight's message from the Eton Mess, fits inline with the relaxation rules on weds. So them having 3 players with the virus scuppers that perfectly. 

12 minutes ago, Supremolad said:

Apparently, Liverpool are promising to field strongest possible line ups for each of the remaining 9 games. 

 

That's commendable on our part. Although I dont think we owe those cunts in the bottom 6 any favours.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/05/10/liverpool-will-field-strongest-line-up-remaining-premier-league/

I would expect we are playing our players for our own benefits. They've had almost 2 months off. Why would we put all the work into getting them fit to finish the season and establish some rhythm and then "rest" them when the new league may start just 2 weeks after this one finishes? 

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1 hour ago, Barry Wom said:

Well firstly, I don't think you can compare us in 89 for lots.of reasons, but the main 2 being we are owned by different people and commercially things were very different back then. Also, our own club acted in a commercial manner just weeks ago and got fucking slaughtered for it and had to back track. From a business perspective it is identical to what Brighton are doing, except Brighton's loss of premier league status would be far more damaging than the 2-3m furlough shortfall LFC tires to make up through the covid furlough payment scheme.

Nah, you've completely misunderstood what I meant about 89.

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https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11986312/premier-league-majority-of-bottom-half-clubs-want-relegation-scrapped-with-neutral-venue-move-likely

 

Premier League: Majority of bottom-half clubs want relegation scrapped with neutral venue move likely

Clubs warned that not restarting at neutral venues could cost them more than relegation; at least 14 clubs need to back the proposals before games can restart

Last Updated: 11/05/20 8:20am

The Premier League's current bottom three are Bournemouth, Aston Villa and Norwich

A majority of clubs in the bottom half of the Premier League want relegation to be scrapped if and when the season restarts.

All 20 clubs want to finish the season but most clubs in the bottom half of the table believe it will be unfair if any clubs are relegated when the final 92 games are likely to be played behind closed doors at neutral grounds.

Monday's PL talks: Project Restart, player safety, law changes

Podcast: 'Project Restart' - The biggest challenges

Coronavirus latest: PM outlines relaxing of restrictions

Premier League clubs will be warned at a meeting on Monday that the season not restarting at neutral venues could cost them more than relegation and they must consider the long-term consequences of voting against the proposal.

 

3:05

Brighton chief executive Paul Barber believes playing the remaining games of the season at neutral venues would put his team at an unfair disadvantage.

At least six - Brighton, West Ham, Watford, Bournemouth, Aston Villa and Norwich - have reservations about proposals to finish the season by playing at neutral grounds without fans.

Extra support could prove vital with at least 14 clubs needing to back the proposals before games can restart.

Those who want the threat of relegation removed think that games would be played in completely different circumstances to the rest of the season so it would be unfair to relegate three teams on that basis.

 

1:04

The Soccer Saturday pundits debate the possible use of neutral venues in the Premier League, with Paul Merson arguing it could help clubs who are currently at threat of being relegated.

They argue playing games at neutral venues behind closed doors would compromise the integrity of the competition.

Not all team have the same number of home and away games left to play and the group feel that is unfair.

There are also concerns some players may refuse to play for health and safety reasons, while others are out of contract at the end of June and may refuse to play beyond that date.

 

1:40

Jamie Carragher and Gary Neville debate the return of football in Germany and talk about the chances of resuming the Premier League season.

The Premier League will also discuss drastic potential rule changes, including the introduction of five substitutions and the scrapping of VAR, which could make the remaining games different from the rest of the season.

Scrapping relegation was brought up at the last Premier League shareholders' meeting two weeks ago but not discussed in depth.

The clubs who want relegation removed have been warned that scrapping it would make the competition less attractive to broadcasters and could affect the value of TV contracts.

EFL chairman Rick Parry has threatened legal action if relegation is scrapped and Championship clubs are prevented from being promoted to the Premier League.

Players want final say on restart

Top of the agenda at Monday's meeting is a possible return to training, with some players concerned about returning in tightly-controlled circumstances, although the majority of Premier League players want to start training and playing again.

The proposals contain guidance about testing and monitoring players and staff for coronavirus, keeping the working environment as safe as possible, and protecting all players and club employees at all times.

Also See:

PL club talks: Project Restart, law changes, return date

Players want final say on Premier League restart

Brighton announce third coronavirus player case

Supplement: Why football should return

If the proposals are approved by the government and Public Health England, plus clubs, players and managers, then non-contact training sessions in small groups would resume.

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10 hours ago, SasaS said:

So, what does Johnson's speech means for football?


Go to work if you cannot work from home, but avoid public transport ? That must be a green light for the PL.  

I think they said they would provide guidelines industries to make their environments "covid safe" or something equally meaningless. As the goverment have already been in discussions with the Premier League and football league, I imagine they know what they need to do. This all fits perfectly with the time line leaked last week. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, ))) said:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11986312/premier-league-majority-of-bottom-half-clubs-want-relegation-scrapped-with-neutral-venue-move-likely

 

Premier League: Majority of bottom-half clubs want relegation scrapped with neutral venue move likely

Clubs warned that not restarting at neutral venues could cost them more than relegation; at least 14 clubs need to back the proposals before games can restart

Last Updated: 11/05/20 8:20am

The Premier League's current bottom three are Bournemouth, Aston Villa and Norwich

A majority of clubs in the bottom half of the Premier League want relegation to be scrapped if and when the season restarts.

All 20 clubs want to finish the season but most clubs in the bottom half of the table believe it will be unfair if any clubs are relegated when the final 92 games are likely to be played behind closed doors at neutral grounds.

Monday's PL talks: Project Restart, player safety, law changes

Podcast: 'Project Restart' - The biggest challenges

Coronavirus latest: PM outlines relaxing of restrictions

Premier League clubs will be warned at a meeting on Monday that the season not restarting at neutral venues could cost them more than relegation and they must consider the long-term consequences of voting against the proposal.

 

3:05

Brighton chief executive Paul Barber believes playing the remaining games of the season at neutral venues would put his team at an unfair disadvantage.

At least six - Brighton, West Ham, Watford, Bournemouth, Aston Villa and Norwich - have reservations about proposals to finish the season by playing at neutral grounds without fans.

Extra support could prove vital with at least 14 clubs needing to back the proposals before games can restart.

Those who want the threat of relegation removed think that games would be played in completely different circumstances to the rest of the season so it would be unfair to relegate three teams on that basis.

 

1:04

The Soccer Saturday pundits debate the possible use of neutral venues in the Premier League, with Paul Merson arguing it could help clubs who are currently at threat of being relegated.

They argue playing games at neutral venues behind closed doors would compromise the integrity of the competition.

Not all team have the same number of home and away games left to play and the group feel that is unfair.

There are also concerns some players may refuse to play for health and safety reasons, while others are out of contract at the end of June and may refuse to play beyond that date.

 

1:40

Jamie Carragher and Gary Neville debate the return of football in Germany and talk about the chances of resuming the Premier League season.

The Premier League will also discuss drastic potential rule changes, including the introduction of five substitutions and the scrapping of VAR, which could make the remaining games different from the rest of the season.

Scrapping relegation was brought up at the last Premier League shareholders' meeting two weeks ago but not discussed in depth.

The clubs who want relegation removed have been warned that scrapping it would make the competition less attractive to broadcasters and could affect the value of TV contracts.

EFL chairman Rick Parry has threatened legal action if relegation is scrapped and Championship clubs are prevented from being promoted to the Premier League.

Players want final say on restart

Top of the agenda at Monday's meeting is a possible return to training, with some players concerned about returning in tightly-controlled circumstances, although the majority of Premier League players want to start training and playing again.

The proposals contain guidance about testing and monitoring players and staff for coronavirus, keeping the working environment as safe as possible, and protecting all players and club employees at all times.

Also See:

PL club talks: Project Restart, law changes, return date

Players want final say on Premier League restart

Brighton announce third coronavirus player case

Supplement: Why football should return

If the proposals are approved by the government and Public Health England, plus clubs, players and managers, then non-contact training sessions in small groups would resume.

So the majority of bottom half clubs could be a new way of describing the bottom 6 right? 

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15 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

So the majority of bottom half clubs could be a new way of describing the bottom 6 right? 

My immediate thought , Barry. 

 

What's the smallest majority of a group of 10, ooh that would be 6. So the same story as yesterday with a twist, we dont actually call them the bottom 6 this time. Brilliant.

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Given the fucking nonsense that Johnson was spouting last night I can't see the league starting the 20/21 on time at all. Some people were already ignoring the advice to stay at home, now more and more will be doing whatever they want. There's going to be a second spike and a second lockdown imo.

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55 minutes ago, joe_fishfish said:

Given the fucking nonsense that Johnson was spouting last night I can't see the league starting the 20/21 on time at all. Some people were already ignoring the advice to stay at home, now more and more will be doing whatever they want. There's going to be a second spike and a second lockdown imo.

You could be right. I suspect though we won't lockdown again, we'll just try and ride it out. 

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Sadly, I think neville is right in what he's saying about the PL not making a decision today. Unless someone has the balls to say 'this is what we're going to do' there will be no decision, just more fudge and bluster. And given the constitution of the PL, not even the chief exec can make that decision without 14 clubs on side.

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