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Coronavirus could prevent Liverpool from winning the Premier League title


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43 minutes ago, TheDrowningMan said:

If no consensus can be reached, I suppose their hand could be forced into voiding thanks to the ludicrous ‘super majority’ system that requires 14 clubs to agree.

I thought the FA could block the voiding option

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1 hour ago, TheDrowningMan said:

Wait, that’s not what other German clubs have been doing; they’ve isolated the afflicted players and everyone who has tested negative has carried on. Is Minge trying to finagle an easy exit for his club, currently bottom of the second division?

What a cunt!

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This cunt's worse than Brady, he really fucking is. There's no way he is not in Glen Murray's face and ear telling him all this shit and saying let the lad's know Im 'on their side.'

 

Hate to say it but with these cunts and cunting UEFA imposing a 25 May deadline for leagues to tell them what they're doing, Im reluctantly starting to believe this season isnt being completed, for the PL at least.

 

UEFA are a fucking joke and they're going to expect clubs to be able to play CL and EL games? Fuck off.

 

The dissident Premier League clubs arguing against a quick return to football will urge a delay to Project Restart, warning that pushing ahead with plans now could cost lives.

As Premier League clubs meet on Monday by video conference, some are concerned they are being rushed into a restart which is inappropriate, given deaths from coronavirus averaged almost 500 a day in the UK last week.

At present, the season is scheduled to restart on June 12 with the FA Cup final the last game of the season on August 8. But Brighton chief executive Paul Barber told Sportsmail: 'We have got to be careful that we do not misstep here because if we do, it could ruin lives. It could cost lives. And we cannot afford that.'

Clubs will also ask the Premier League to explore with the Government an opportunity to abandon the neutral venues plan and instead use home and away grounds to finish the season.

Relegation-threatened clubs, with most to lose, such as Brighton, Aston Villa and Watford, have expressed their opposition to neutral venues and West Ham vice chairman Karren Brady said on Saturday that clubs were 'understandably concerned' by the plan.

It is expected that the Premier League will reiterate that police advice and Public Health England guidance means the Government will only allow football to restart in 10 approved neutral venues and so there is no other option at present.

There is a further meeting between the Premier League, the FA, the EFL, the Department of Culture Media and Sport and Public Health England on Thursday. 

Some clubs want the issue raised there, even though the head of the UK Football Police Unit, Deputy Chief Constable Mark Roberts, has told football executives to 'get a grip' and stop complaining about neutral venues.

Monday's Premier League shareholders meeting will see clubs vote on the technical issue of extending the contracts of players whose deals run out on June 30 by a month and on approving the medical protocols for a restart, which have been developed by the Premier League with club doctors and Public Health England.

The argument will be put that a delay to a restart, when the reproductive rate of coronavirus has fallen further, would be a safer environment for players to return and would allow the possibility of home and away games, which would lessen the disadvantage of those in the relegation zone.

One club owner told Sportsmail: 'I'm legally responsible for the health of all our employees, so we can't put them out playing unless there is clarity on safety.'

But another club medic said: 'There is no such thing as no risk. Everyone is reluctant to say that but at some stage it has to be said.'

Addressing the issue of neutral venues, Brady wrote in her newspaper column: 'Clubs on the brink are understandably concerned about giving up home advantage, let alone playing without their vital 12th man — their supporters. 

'The will to play is the essence of every club and player but they want a level playing field.'

Scott Duxbury, Watford chairman, wrote: 'When at least six clubs and I suspect more are concerned about the clear downside and the devastating effects of playing in this kind of distorted nine-game mini league, then I believe the Premier League has a duty of care to address those concerns.'

The clubs feel the police are being simplistic in imposing neutral venues to deter fans from turning up and breaking social distancing rules. But they will be told by the Premier League that the authorities are insisting on neutral grounds not simply because of those fears but on health grounds, in that it is easier to sanitise a limited number of grounds and control them.

The clubs say it would be easier to control messages and influence their fans at their own grounds. Barber also says that, in the circumstances, it is important to have medical staff familiar with the stadium in case there is an emergency.

The deadline of May 25 is when UEFA have insisted that European leagues must have decided how they will settle the season.

The argument over relegation has been broadly won, with no club likely to raise that issue. It is understood that even clubs in the relegation zone will accept a restart which involves the drop, despite the huge consequences relegation could bring in the midst of an economic crisis.

There is also less talk of curtailment now. Most clubs seem to accept that the Premier League will be restarting if the Government give permission and if there is no sudden second spike in infections in the next two weeks.

Most Premier League players have been told to turn up for official pre-season training on May 18, when they will train in groups of six with strict social distancing. If the Government ease lockdown restrictions in the week starting May 25, it is anticipated that full-contact training would resume then. 

There will also be more scrutiny of the protocols, which will be adopted for training, having been drafted to take account of doctors' questions. Once adopted, they will then be put to the players and managers to see if they request changes.

As Sportsmail revealed last weekend, all players will be tested for respiratory problems and have an electrocardiogram heart monitor test and one player testing positive for COVID-19 will not result in the entire squad having to isolate.

Brady revealed on Saturday that West Ham players have already had their cardiac screening in preparation for a return to training. 

Testing has already started at many clubs, with a BUPA-owned testing company overseeing the operation, which will be paid for by the Premier League. If the Premier League does kick off on June 12, players will undertake a week in quarantine before the first game, as Bundesliga players are doing prior to their league starting next weekend.

At most clubs this week, players will continue to train individually, though Liverpool and some clubs are allowing three players into their training grounds at one time, though they have to train individually.

Many players have been talked through the key training protocols as preparation. 

There is a groundswell of concern among players, some doctors and a number of clubs and it is clear there is considerable work to be done to convince many that football can resume safely. 

Clubs report fears that players will not want to play. Players and all staff are required to sign the protocols to ensure that they have understood them, with the guidelines so precise that it includes details of exactly where they are allowed to park when they come into training.

That has alarmed many players but clubs insist they are only being asked to sign because it is essential they understand what is required of them to maintain safety.

Insurance issues are also high on the agenda for clubs, medical staff and players. Questions are being asked as to who would be liable if the plan goes wrong and a player or family member develops severe symptoms, has to be in intensive care, or if they were to die.

Liability could fall upon the Premier League, the club, the venues which have been licenced, or the medical staff, if they have signed off the protocols. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8303969/Clubs-reveal-fear-Premier-Leagues-Project-Restart-want-delay.html

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They're conveniently sidestepping the reality that first of all, all players will be tested before a. ball is kicked. Secondly, that the fact that the players are young, in excellent physical health and as far from the typical profile of those most likely to suffer difficulties as a result of contracting covid-19 as it's possible to get.

 

They're talking as if the players are a bunch of obese alehouse muckers with a broad range of underlying conditions.

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12 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

This cunt's worse than Brady, he really fucking is. There's no way he is not in Glen Murray's face and ear telling him all this shit and saying let the lad's know Im 'on their side.'

 

Hate to say it but with these cunts and cunting UEFA imposing a 25 May deadline for leagues to tell them what they're doing, Im reluctantly starting to believe this season isnt being completed, for the PL at least.

 

UEFA are a fucking joke and they're going to expect clubs to be able to play CL and EL games? Fuck off.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8303969/Clubs-reveal-fear-Premier-Leagues-Project-Restart-want-delay.html

 

“We have to get this right or it could cost lives...unless you abandon the neutral stadium idea!”


On the positive side, that article does suggest that the consensus is that a restart is inevitable.

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3 minutes ago, Chocoholic said:

They're conveniently sidestepping the reality that first of all, all players will be tested before a. ball is kicked. Secondly, that the fact that the players are young, in excellent physical health and as far from the typical profile of those most likely to suffer difficulties as a result of contracting covid-19 as it's possible to get.

 

They're talking as if the players are a bunch of obese alehouse muckers with a broad range of underlying conditions.

Yep, The fact that people are pearl clutching over massively protected footballers while not giving a shit about the millions of us who have been forced to work all through this shows just how despised the low-waged are in this country.

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2 hours ago, stringvest said:

Dynamo Dresden just about to restart playing have had to go into 14 days isolation as two players have tested positive for the virus, according to their Sporting Director, Ralf Minge.

Does Ralf have a beard?

 

 

Yes I want to know if he's a hairy minge!

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5 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Nobody gives a shit about football right now.

They shouldn't but clearly quite a few do.  Enough to spend their day reading Clickbait and pissing their knickers over what other fans have to say. 

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Although it would be good to see football back, the season would be tainted once the first ball is kicked using the neutral venue with no fans.  It like having 2 different seasons, can you imagine us loosing our first 2 back, then a team going down with corona virus, which is what will happen. As it stands all games have been played under the same conditions. 

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7 hours ago, Chocoholic said:

They're talking as if the players are a bunch of obese alehouse muckers with a broad range of underlying conditions.


Of the 23k hospital deaths, 163 (0.71%) have been between 20-39. I bet the majority of them had underlying health issues. 

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10 hours ago, stringvest said:

Dynamo Dresden just about to restart playing have had to go into 14 days isolation as two players have tested positive for the virus, according to their Sporting Director, Ralf Minge.

That’s a surprise as they’re so well placed in the table.

This sort of shit is just going to get pulled over here and when it does the media is going to go into meltdown over it.

If we are going to rightly get the title then a decision needs to be made sooner rather than later as regards finishing the league .

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Hmmmm, really?

Insert, villa, ammers, shiite etc etc

 

Dynamo Dresden, who play in the second tier of German football, have put their entire squad and coaching staff into two-week isolation after two players tested positive for coronavirus.

But on Saturday Dresden, who are bottom of Bundesliga 2, said they would be unable to fulfil the initial fixtures.

 

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Just read an article where Arsene Wenger said no matter what happens this season Liverpool will be recognised as the Champions as they have won 27 out of 29 games.

 

Then the second part of it it with Bradley Wright Phillips saying they should void this season and let Liverpool start the next one with a 15 point lead. 

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6 hours ago, Mathewbet1 said:

Although it would be good to see football back, the season would be tainted once the first ball is kicked using the neutral venue with no fans.  It like having 2 different seasons, can you imagine us loosing our first 2 back, then a team going down with corona virus, which is what will happen. As it stands all games have been played under the same conditions. 


Yeah, so then we’re only 19 points ahead. The title is done. It’s over. We’ve got it won. Every single person in the world accepts that (even if only in private,). If the season isn’t completed on the pitch but by PPG, then there won’t be a single court case about us being declared champions. But there’ll be plenty from the ones who go down or don’t get to come up if no relegation. That’s the real issue. And it’s why the Liverpool representative on these calls hasn’t opened his mouth.  “A zen like silence” as it was reported. We know we’re not the issue. 
 

And the season isn’t “tainted”. It’s just different because of a massive world wide health emergency. It’s just changed a bit. There’ll still be 38 games each (hopefully). Yes, where they expected to be played will change, but that’ll change for everyone. 
 

and don’t get me started on whoever said noon cares about football right now. That’s just bollox, and even just for a simple check to that, look at the forum and the amount of people talking about football. The LAST thing everyone wants is to have to think about the virus 24/7. Nor is it something that should happen. 

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If PPG is worked out for the remainder of the season purely on home form, Norwich, West Ham and Bournemouth would go down.

 

West Ham actually have the joint second worst home record in the league. They are joint with Norwich, only Southampton are worse. Makes Brady’s comments even more laughable. 
 

There is no possible PPG metric where Norwich or Bournemouth stay up. They have 2 options - either have null and void (which won’t happen)  or play the matches to conclusion whatever way they can. Farke has already said he wants to play and orchestrate a great escape & I reckon Eddie Howe would feel the same. 

 

When Watford and Brighton come out and say “at least 6 clubs are opposed to it”, maybe there is. But the fact is from Southampton up, clubs probably won’t feel strongly enough about it to vote against it and Norwich & Bournemouth will simply have to get on with it.

 

I notice more and more pundits are coming out now saying “What you lose at home you gain away” and that sides should just get on with it. 
 

Alan McInally was talking shite about Villa today. Just shouting and ranting. If he reasoned his argument properly, he’d be saying Villa have the strongest case for playing at home as they have the best home form of any of the bottom sides. They’d actually be 16th if it was finished just on home form. 

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