Coronavirus could prevent Liverpool from winning the Premier League title

[No2]

35 minutes ago, Timão said:

I honestly can't see there being a full season next season either, so we better take what we are given. If we are declared champions, and I think we will, it's because we deserve it. If everybody finishes on 29 or 30 games, or they do points average, we win it fair and square. Not how I wanted it, but there you go. 

Not for one second would I think it's not deserved nor would I give the slightest fuck about what other teams fans think.

 

I was recently listening to Carraghers podcast with Gerrard which was recorded before Christmas. He spoke about the slip and the lasting affect it's had on him. He said winning the league frees him from that in many ways, I'm not sure winning it this way will have the cathartic effect for him or us. I realise it's the best shit option and I'm probably being selfish and childish too but I can't help feeling cheated by all this.

[RobbieOR]

Yeah if you think the near misses over the past few years have been heartbreaking and hampered chances in previous years, this would be worse. It would kill everyone. 

[TheDrowningMan]

1 hour ago, Timão said:

I honestly can't see there being a full season next season either, so we better take what we are given. If we are declared champions, and I think we will, it's because we deserve it. If everybody finishes on 29 or 30 games, or they do points average, we win it fair and square. Not how I wanted it, but there you go. 

That’s important; it’s highly unlikely that next season is 38 games without a hitch barring, perhaps, an entirely closed doors scenario wherein players, coaching staff, referees, TV crew and commentators almost literally live inside a bubble for the entirety of the campaign - no trips home, no socialising, literally no in-person contact with family and friends, which doesn’t seem likely to me.

 

Yeah, this is an acceptable way to win it. We could be two years away from a genuine return to normality, and who knows whether our team is still going to be the same at that point?

[Stickman]

If we were  than 10 or less points ahead it wouldn’t feel right in my head that we would have got over the line it would always niggle away at me but for fucks sake it’s 25 points even a team in the bottom three would manage 6 points from 9 games.

I think it would be totally wrong that a team that has won 27 of 29 games with brilliant wins over Man City, Wolves and Leicester {after playing umpteen games in December) away taking the piss out of the Blueshite with our B team ,beating the record of consecutive home wins and equalling games won on the bounce suddenly has all that chucked in the bin.

[TheHowieLama]

19 minutes ago, RobbieOR said:

 It would kill everyone. 

I know you mean LFC folks ay every level here but, it will burst the financial bubble in any case, a killshot for a not insignificant amount of clubs. For the PL it will be an awakening as well, there is no chance the next TV deal is worth more than this.

[RobbieOR]

4 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

I know you mean LFC folks ay every level here but, it will burst the financial bubble in any case, a killshot for a not insignificant amount of clubs. For the PL it will be an awakening as well, there is no chance the next TV deal is worth more than this.

 

I think we'd be just about fine financially, but anything below 3 or 4 clubs in England would be fucked if they can't have fans at game until next year. Most teams are spending as soon as they get the money in. 

[mike23]

4 hours ago, devilsadvocate said:

It's a load of bollocks that contracts section in the article. It screams 80 top stars are out of contract which could leave teams vying for Europe or fighting relegation with depleted squads! Reading this you'd think teams are at risk of losing 4/5 of there best players and therefore bringing the integrity of the competition into question. 
 

1) 80 players averages out to 4 per team and they have 25 man squads + academy players. 
 

2) Of the 80 how many are top stars who would really impact a team if they decided not to play after 1/7? Am guessing majority are loans or players surplus to requirements. 
 

3) looks like the transfer window won't be open so if players decide to not play they can join another team as wouldn't be eligible. 
 

Aslong as both parties agree on a short extension to the contract (probably 30 days ) then what's the big deal. If the player won't commit then fine sit out 

 

These teams are looking for any excuse to serve there own interests. 
 

It won't be voided but you can see teams trying to use this to avoid being relegated, proposing an expanded league next year. 
 

 

 

Yeah, I keep thinking way too much is being made about the impact of out of contract players. The simple truth is that if any of these players were that important to these sides, they'd have long since extended their contracts or sold them before losing them for nothing. 

 

We all have different views, but I really don't understand the view of any Liverpool fan who wouldn't want the title being given to us if they didn't finish the season. We're an unprecedented 25 points clear with 9 games to play. We've waited 30 years for a league title. Even if the season isn't played to a conclusion that's the one issue that shouldn't even be up for debate when they're deciding how to finalise everything. It's everything else which would be the issue as I really couldn't see teams who are in the relegation zone only on goal difference accepting just being relegated.

[TheHowieLama]

10 minutes ago, mike23 said:

It's everything else which would be the issue as I really couldn't see teams who are in the relegation zone only on goal difference accepting just being relegated.

They should relegate the bottom 6 - they are all shit and there are too many teams in the league anyway.

[dockers_strike]

Well, Im swaying in the fucking wind again. Not about being champions, Ive said all along we'll be crowned champions and, despite the bullshit spouted by the camel lipped cunt and that fat cunt sharp, I dont see any appetite to deny the club the title from other PL clubs.

 

No, what Im swaying over is the season being completed. While it might be a little too early to say events are crystalising and the future is becoming clear, things are starting to happen.

 

Ive always maintained the PL season will finish provided other major European leagues held the line. Belgium arent a major European league and neither is Scotland. But, the fact 2 nations have now ended their season, albeit Scotland's premier division only has the commitment to end IF the authorities cannot find a way to play the top league to a conclusion, is a step in the wrong direction for me.

 

If the Portugese league or one in Austria, Croatia or Hungary etc follows suit and votes to end their season as is, then, I think we'll see a domino effect amongst the 'smaller' leagues all declaring the same. That will bring the inevitable knock on to England, Germany, Spain, Italy and France.

 

Alternative, if one of England, Germany, Spain, Italy and France throws in the towel, then it really will all come crashing down.

 

This talk about out of contract players is just something for clubs who want to grasp at ending the league and clearing the decks for 'next season' is just bollocks to me. This idea that the 'next' season can start in August is just an anathema. If it's not fucking safe to finish the league in July, it aint going to be fucking safe to start all over in August.

 

If an out of contract player doesnt want to risk playing beyond 30 June or whatever the magic date is, dont fucking play and tell yer club. Sit out the period on your arse with no income but let others crack on if it's safe to do so.

 

[Ronnie Whelan]

18 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

Well, Im swaying in the fucking wind again. Not about being champions, Ive said all along we'll be crowned champions and, despite the bullshit spouted by the camel lipped cunt and that fat cunt sharp, I dont see any appetite to deny the club the title from other PL clubs.

 

No, what Im swaying over is the season being completed. While it might be a little too early to say events are crystalising and the future is becoming clear, things are starting to happen.

 

Ive always maintained the PL season will finish provided other major European leagues held the line. Belgium arent a major European league and neither is Scotland. But, the fact 2 nations have now ended their season, albeit Scotland's premier division only has the commitment to end IF the authorities cannot find a way to play the top league to a conclusion, is a step in the wrong direction for me.

 

If the Portugese league or one in Austria, Croatia or Hungary etc follows suit and votes to end their season as is, then, I think we'll see a domino effect amongst the 'smaller' leagues all declaring the same. That will bring the inevitable knock on to England, Germany, Spain, Italy and France.

 

Alternative, if one of England, Germany, Spain, Italy and France throws in the towel, then it really will all come crashing down.

 

This talk about out of contract players is just something for clubs who want to grasp at ending the league and clearing the decks for 'next season' is just bollocks to me. This idea that the 'next' season can start in August is just an anathema. If it's not fucking safe to finish the league in July, it aint going to be fucking safe to start all over in August.

 

If an out of contract player doesnt want to risk playing beyond 30 June or whatever the magic date is, dont fucking play and tell yer club. Sit out the period on your arse with no income but let others crack on if it's safe to do so.

 

Spot on with all that. The contract thing is a joke and easily worked around. Let's say Adam Lallana wants to keep playing and finish the season with us, even though he has a contract lined up with psg for the following season. Keep him on the wages that he had for the rest of the season. Say Pedro says to Chelsea fuck that I've a deal with Inter lined up and I'll be fucked if I lose out on the bonus. Simple he fucks off then like he would have anyway. Some clubs will come out of it better than others but that's life.

 

I still think they will complete the season though. Giving us the title is the easy bit. 

[Code]

18 hours ago, Barry McBumsniffer said:

If they can't complete the fixtures apply a points per game average for the remaining games based on points accrued and games played thus far.

 

This is surely the fairest benchmark of all team's performances over the course of a season to date.

 

Job done.

 

 

 

Interesting concept what would be the margin for a draw?

We would obviously win all our games though.

 

[an tha]

I'd say there is a pretty slim chance of this season being played to a conclusion.

 

I think the clubs will vote for a June 30th cut off for completion and there is next to no chance that would be enough time.

 

As for being awarded it, feels a bit meh to me personally.

[devilsadvocate]

Sure I read somewhere that the premier league can't agree to cancel the season without gaining the agreement of the EFL? 
 

 

[Brownie]

7 hours ago, RobbieOR said:

 

I think we'd be just about fine financially, but anything below 3 or 4 clubs in England would be fucked if they can't have fans at game until next year. Most teams are spending as soon as they get the money in. 

I'm not sure about that mate. Matchday revenue used to be important but nowadays it's dwarfed by media and commercial revenue isn't it?

 

For instance, our latest accounts:

 

Matchday Revenue - £84m

Commercial Revenue - £188m

Media Revenue - £261m

 

It wouldn't be good of course, but you'd think that clubs could survive it.

[RobbieOR]

1 minute ago, Brownie said:

I'm not sure about that mate. Matchday revenue used to be important but nowadays it's dwarfed by media and commercial revenue isn't it?

 

For instance, our latest accounts:

 

Matchday Revenue - £84m

Commercial Revenue - £188m

Media Revenue - £261m

 

It wouldn't be good of course, but you'd think that clubs could survive it.

 

I think we're in a different league to most when it comes to revenue. United and City would be fine too for different reasons especially in City if they suspend FFP because they could pump money in, but a lot of clubs are relying on TV money and if the bubble bursts I don't know how they could fund what they're paying already. 

[Brownie]

11 minutes ago, RobbieOR said:

 

I think we're in a different league to most when it comes to revenue. United and City would be fine too for different reasons especially in City if they suspend FFP because they could pump money in, but a lot of clubs are relying on TV money and if the bubble bursts I don't know how they could fund what they're paying already. 

I agree that they’re massively reliant on TV money. I don’t think the match day revenue comes close to it in terms of importance.

 

That’s why they’ll do their best to finish the 19/20 season because they frankly need the money.

[RobbieOR]

1 minute ago, Brownie said:

I agree that they’re massively reliant on TV money. I don’t think the match day revenue comes close to it in terms of importance.

 

That’s why they’ll do their best to finish the 19/20 season because they frankly need the money.

 

I don't disagree with that. I think the stories leaked last night are the same as the voided stories, self interest. Just think if there is a prolonged period without football the damage this will do knows no bounds.

[No2]

2 minutes ago, Brownie said:

I agree that they’re massively reliant on TV money. I don’t think the match day revenue comes close to it in terms of importance.

 

That’s why they’ll do their best to finish the 19/20 season because they frankly need the money.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1249951316824281093

 

Swiss Ramble done a great thread on the finances, some of the reliance of TV money is scary. There are a handful of clubs that generate less than 8% of turnover from gate receipts. Every team below the top 6 will lose 25% of overall revenue, Leicester will lose 30% of theirs. 

 

What he didn't analyse was the difference between these losses from and actually being relegated. That would have made for interesting reading.

[Megadrive Man]

14 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

After waiting so long I want that moment. That goal or final whistle. That feeling ..... I want to share it with friends and family. I want to get absolutely fucking shit faced. I want to remember that moment forever. 

 

I don't want that moment to be a "breaking news" moment while Im typing out a reply to fucking Strontium Dog on the Coronavirus thread just to wind him up. I don't want to be in my pyjama bottoms without a beer to open right away. I don't want BBC fucking News to tell me that the love of my life has just won the league for the first time in 30 years. I don't want to spend the rest of my life arguing with every other cunt who will constantly say "you didn't win it though". 

 

Maybe thats just me. I didn't leave Anfield after the City game barely able to speak or think straight just to listen to Jim White announce that we have been "awarded" the fucking thing. 

 

You are never guaranteed that by the nature of a league though.

 

Very often teams end up winning the league due to other results going in their favour. 

[Guest]

17 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

We haven’t. That’s the 6 points we need from the 27 available. 

Fixed.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, devilsadvocate said:

Sure I read somewhere that the premier league can't agree to cancel the season without gaining the agreement of the EFL? 
 

 

Possibly here...

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/premier-league-void-season-2020-coronavirus-liverpool-title-efl-legal-challenge-a9437081.html

 

 

[Ronnie Whelan]

I wonder will Qatar or Saudi Arabia offer to stage the remaining games. 

 

Poland looking to return the end of May behind closed doors.

 

 

[Bjornebye]

9 hours ago, MegadriveMan said:

 

You are never guaranteed that by the nature of a league though.

 

Very often teams end up winning the league due to other results going in their favour. 

Yeah but you are aware of what’s going on. Read my post properly. 

[Megadrive Man]

1 hour ago, Bjornebye said:

Yeah but you are aware of what’s going on. Read my post properly. 

I understand what you mean. The 2019 Champions League win was one of the best days/nights of my life, and by winning the league I expected their to be similar celebration when we actually lifted the trophy. 

[LFC 6 Times]

What time are PL meeting Today? Might provide more clarity on situation.