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Coronavirus could prevent Liverpool from winning the Premier League title


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1 hour ago, Mr T said:

Be the change you want to see in the world. Or don't. But if you don't, try not to patronise us with anymore bullshit.

 

It's very simple. The club could choose to look after their own or take a hand out from someone else to look after their own. They chose the latter. Forget what other people doing, it's totally irrelevant. You're the one that sounds like a Tory BTW.

You see you've bought into it. It's fsg's fault. Or whatever that prick of a CEO is called. LFC is no different to a large portion of businesses in this country. Because of this governments mismanagement of the health service for 10 years and their absolutele shit show at handling this crisis, their cash flow has gone. So what they were bringing in money a while back? You think that's not accounted for? If we end up not finishing the season and sky want their money back, clubs everywhere will be facing bankruptcy, although admittedly probably not ours. This fund off the government doesn't last forever, it lasts for 3 months. It's get it now or don't get it at all, yet the ramifications of this crisis could go on for many more months or years. Nobody is questioning any company who's taking this money, except those in the premier league. It's fucking double standards and the government themselves put it out in the media to get people critising football and worrying about what is on a national scale just pennies, when there's plenty we should be worrying about how this crisis is being handled. No PPE? Who cares, what are the footballers doing. Failing to test front line workers for covid? That's not a problem, some football clubs might do what the entire fucking country is doing and put people on furlough, oh and they'll still be on 100% wages. 

 

I don't get what ynwa has to do with anything in this instance, you think John Henry is one of us? He barely knows where the city is. Everyone will take home exactly what they do today. Everyone is keeping their jobs. As someone pointed out earlier today, the club had already paid the stewards (and I assume other match day staff) up till then end of the season. The rest is just the Tories making you worry some fucking prick from Boston who's made his money out of the stock market has more obligation to the people of this country than Branson, Ashley, Martin and Langsam. 

 

 

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58 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

Im a bit disappointed the club has done this but to be honest, Im confused why Im disappointed. The way I see it is the staff are still getting their full pay. So people are arguing over the club using a Government scheme open to all UK companies and not the fact the employees are getting 100% of their pay?

 

If this goes on for as long as expected, the way I see it is only city and maybe united will be able to afford not to call on the Government scheme. Should I be indignant that city are so awash with their owner's money they might not have to resort to this scheme while Liverpool have?

 

Seems a bit of one upmanship to me to say every company in the UK and many bigger than Liverpool and paying fuck all tax, can use this scheme but Liverpool shouldnt.

 

 

 

 

This week Manchester city took season ticket direct debits from fans. Threatened to throw people off tickets schemes if they wanted their ticket money back from the Madrid game which will never happen. I think this is far more an issue than how the club pay the wages. 

55 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I think the feeling is that supporters of this club in this City brought up believing in socialism and decency is a bit pissed off that the club has decided to not continue to pay their staff while players who aren’t worth a shilling are taking home more than their years salary in a few days. 
 

less of the Tory bullshit. Anyone not arsed by this or defending it can get the fuck away from this club 

The staff are being paid though, 100%. Just because some of that money comes from the government in a publicised grant, how is that any worry? Would you be worried if it was a grant for employing people in deprived areas? I'm sure we'll have taken them before. Everyone is keeping their job and they'll have all their wages. Every year the club do their accounts , they probably juggle enough money around with smart accounting to avoid tax that covers the wages of many at the club. Yet nobody is arsed about that. As soon as they take a grant, they're up in arms. But it's exactly the same thing. They take sponsorship money from companies like standard chartered and AXA, who I'm sure have times where they're less than ethical ways they make their money. You think this doesn't fund wages? And nobody complains. 

 

The issue here for me isn't if LFC should or shouldn't do this. As someone else pointed out in the thread, it seems really bad PR to have done this. The issue for me is why we're expecting premier league clubs in general to act differently than any other business up and down the country and why the media is focussed on this and not government failure or other companies who are furloughing and not making up the difference. Many of these businesses will have people earning millions and continuing to earn that while low paid staff are getting just the goverment grant at 80%. We expect our football clubs to pay tax. We expect the players to pay their income tax and the club make their employers contributions to go with it. Why would you not expect them to apply for a grant when it's made available, yet everyone doesn't give a fuck where a penny of the income comes from? For fucks sake we've been funded for 25 years by Rupert fucking Murdoch, nobody seemed arsed about paying staff wages with his coin and the only reason we're not taking it now is he sold up to Comcast! 

 

Worry why the media wants you focussed on LFC and not this goverment.

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1 hour ago, TheDrowningMan said:

Agreed.

 

There are tons of businesses bigger than Liverpool FC that will furlough, not bother to make up the 20% and escape with comparatively minimal press about the matter.

 

Would I prefer for the club to be paying 100%? Absolutely, I think it would be better from a PR perspective at a relatively small cost to a very profitable business, but in practical terms all I give a shit about is whether the staff are receiving full pay. They are, and that’s where the matter ends.

You're now subsidising Liverpool employees (employees the club can easily afford to pay) with money that could be spent in a manner that saves lives, for example. And you're defending the fact.

 

Lunacy.

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21 minutes ago, Mathewbet1 said:

So short sighted by the club who over sanctioned this should be sacked, and it should and will be reversed tomorrow but the damage is already done

That Peter Moore should have realised. He's always bleating on about the community work and Shankly etc. He is originally from Liverpool so should have realised the backlash the club would get from rival fans, media  as well as Liverpool fans.

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2 hours ago, Barry Wom said:

This is not aimed at you in particular, but pretty much everyone who's slating the club over this.

No worries. I was just clarifying the debate.

 

That being said, the public money is being made available to pay employees that otherwise would have been made unemployed.

 

And I think that is the important bit.

 

Yes it will be exploited, but that doesn't mean we have to do the same.

 

Would those employees have been sacked without public money? If the answer is yes, then ok. Harsh, but ok. But if we are just cashing in on the public purse then I think it's natural for fans to question it. And there is absolutely no shame in asking those questions.

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5 minutes ago, M_B said:

No worries. I was just clarifying the debate.

 

That being said, the public money is being made available to pay employees that otherwise would have been made unemployed.

 

And I think that is the important bit.

 

Yes it will be exploited, but that doesn't mean we have to do the same.

 

Would those employees have been sacked without public money? If the answer is yes, then ok. Harsh, but ok. But if we are just cashing in on the public purse then I think it's natural for fans to question it. And there is absolutely no shame in asking those questions.

I think everyone is cashing in. But there's every chance with no work and an indefinite shutdown of football these people could have been laid off or perhaps a proportion of them. 

 

I have no issues with people asking the questions providing they don't slip into this trap that's been set by Hancock of thinking this is a football issue. It isn't a football issue, this is an issue for our entire economy across just about every industry but those involved in the front line. If anyone thinks up and down the country people aren't furloughing their staff regardless.of if they need to or not they're kidding themselves. 

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3 hours ago, Barry Wom said:

This is not aimed at you in particular, but pretty much everyone who's slating the club over this.

 

The funds have been made available to everyone, the government has not applied restrictions. Companies up and down the country will be claiming this money, yet we expect some moralistic behaviour from football clubs? I don't get it. This money is to recompense people because government incompetency had forced a business lock down. When this disaster is over, we will all be paying the tax burden on this debt, football included. Banks will be taking this money. Cunts like Branson will be taking this money. Fuck heads like Ashley and his empire will be taking this money. Yet everyone will have to pay it back. Until we start slating everyone for taking this money (then I have to ask why are we making it available), why is the club wrong (and football in general)? They will share the tax burden, but not the help at a time when their cashflow has dried up? 

 

Sorry, you all sound like fucking Tories. Next you'll be telling the players to make up the gap while letting people like Branson and that cunt who runs wetherspoons off the hook. That cunt Hancock brought up in his press conference the other day that players should take a pay cut. Why, because footballers are just working class plebs who don't really earn what they're paid unlike their fucking Eton mates? Nobody is complaining for billionaires to help out here. Nobody is asking the fucking CEO of Tesco's who'll be making a fucking bundle on toilet roll sale alone. No, apparently all these are legitimate ways to make a fucking bundle on the crisis, but hey, footballers just play football, surely they can help? They don't really earn that money unlike Tarquin and Rupert at fuckhead and sons hedgefund. It's much easier to point a finger at footballers and football in general to distract from the absolute shit show this government is making of this pandemic. You should all be ashamed for buying into it. You are letting them make you think this has anything to do with football. This is a fuck up made from our government who've neglected this country for 10 years so we have a health service that is actively killing the people who work in it and is incapable of helping the people it's there to serve. But hey, let's get upset because a football club has put a few people on furlough because they can no longer do their jobs because nobody can walk out the door in case the healthier service breaks. 

How has Government incompetence led to a business lockdown? How could they have avoided it?

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If the article in The Athletic is right in saying that another 10 PL clubs will follow suit this week then you have to wonder whether there’d be so much noise if we were, say for example, the 14th club in the league to do this. There’d be plenty of disgust/embarrassment/objection I’m sure but there’s at least a portion of those shouting loudest on Twitter that are faux outraged based purely on the fact that other fans are slagging us off for it. 

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Just now, Captain Turdseye said:

If the article in The Athletic is right in saying that another 10 PL clubs will follow suit this week then you have to wonder whether there’d be so much noise if we were, say for example, the 14th club in the league to do this. There’d be plenty of disgust/embarrassment/objection I’m sure but there’s at least a portion of those shouting loudest on Twitter that are faux outraged based purely on the fact that other fans are slagging us off for it. 

It’s different when it’s a club from a socialist city and a club built on Shankly. 
 

Faux outrage if it’s someone like Norwich, fine. Liverpool? It’s our identity as a club and a city under question. 
 

Those with a sick feeling in their gut over this get it. Those that don’t, never did. 

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13 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

It’s different when it’s a club from a socialist city and a club built on Shankly. 
 

Faux outrage if it’s someone like Norwich, fine. Liverpool? It’s our identity as a club and a city under question. 
 

Those with a sick feeling in their gut over this get it. Those that don’t, never did. 


I’m not arguing that, I’m saying there’s people claiming to feel that way but under slightly different circumstances wouldn’t be half as passionate about it. Scouse or not. 

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41 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

Wrote this weeks ago .. it’s why the league won’t  be voided. We are the least of the leagues worries - clubs like Palace & Bournemouth who operate losses in the 10s of millions at the best of times could be really, really in the mire if they lose 20% of the seasons budgeted revenues. Leeds completely unravelled in the 00s over less. Those clubs have hardly any saleable assets either if they did need to try and cash in.

 

Also, all those criticising clubs as a general-rule have ignored the most complicit enemy here — most clubs are nigh on or actual loss making vehicles in the healthiest times. The players - who take the vast majority of the revenues generated by football out of the game — should be the ones handing money back here. Have any player collectives from any UK clubs come out offering to take pay cuts yet? The PFA response has been an absolute cop-out. 

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The PFA are basically saying the players are not happy with the proposed pay cut. I think this whole thing illustrates how groselley over paid they are. Clubs will go under if this drags on, meanwhile journey men prem player will all have 10-20m in the bank to walk away with

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7 minutes ago, Alex_K said:

Wrote this weeks ago .. it’s why the league won’t  be voided. We are the least of the leagues worries - clubs like Palace & Bournemouth who operate losses in the 10s of millions at the best of times could be really, really in the mire if they lose 20% of the seasons budgeted revenues. Leeds completely unravelled in the 00s over less. Those clubs have hardly any saleable assets either if they did need to try and cash in.

 

Also, all those criticising clubs have ignored the most complicit enemy here — the vast majority of clubs are nigh on or actual loss making vehicles. The players - who take the vast majority of the revenues generated by football out of the game — should be the ones handing money back here. Have any player collectives from any UK clubs come out offering to take pay cuts yet? The PFA response has been an absolute cop-out. 

The season was always going to be completed. As I said previously, the lads on bluemoon, grand old team and redcafe might think voiding the season is hillarious, but like fuck the owners of any club agrees. Throw in that denying a team (one of the biggest clubs in the world) that is 25 points clear would be a pr disaster for the premier league and it was never going to happen.

 

However, given that we might be 2-3 weeks off the peak of this horrible virus, I can't see how football can return for at least 7-8 weeks and even then that might be a conservative.

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13 minutes ago, Mathewbet1 said:

The PFA are basically saying the players are not happy with the proposed pay cut. I think this whole thing illustrates how groselley over paid they are. Clubs will go under if this drags on, meanwhile journey men prem player will all have 10-20m in the bank to walk away with

Exactly .. fans will have rose tinted glasses as it’s easier to blame the bureaucrats in suits over the superstars on the pitch (and we are an outlier club given the social-political community leanings)  .. but we (as an example) have a wage bill of over £300+ million. Presently the clubs are paying these wages in full, absorbing “dead time” with uncertainty over what their future broadcast revenue streams will look like & empty stadiums to maintain with no ticket money. Comparative to leading La Liga & Bundesliga players, the PFA response here has been an utter disgrace.
 

 

 

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Have we all possibly jumped the gun?

 

Club statement makes no reference to us using government scheme and topping up the other 20%....it just says furloughed and paid 100% of wages. Furloughing employees does not necessarily mean they will use government scheme.

 

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/announcements/392185-liverpool-fc-statement-covid-19-update

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