Coronavirus could prevent Liverpool from winning the Premier League title

[Chris]

1 hour ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

The moment Everton have been waiting for, a chance to put on the high and mighty cape!  

And justifiably so in this case.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Not a great decision by the club. 

 

But, the usual suspects are piping up to tell everyone how awful we are and how their club as a shining beacon of decency and moral virtue wouldn't advocate such an approach. 

 

Evertonians I mean. The same one's who no doubt were initially, before any detail was made public, telling scousers to pay their council tax as they had a new stadium "on da banks of da royal blue mersey" to pay for. 

 

 

[Guest Alex_K]

6 minutes ago, an tha said:

This wasn't my 'argument' but i believe now there is pretty much no chance it will be finished.

....

TV money etc will fall under 'force majeure'

It's over.

In your opinion, do you think the English clubs are going to pay back broadcasters up to c. £1 bn? If the answer is no, who is going to pay?

[Stickman]

Agree with the Barrow manager who said earlier "if you void a league that is 80% completed you are rewarding failure" .

[Guest]

I think the words to 'You'll Never Walk Alone' should be changed to 'You'll Walk Alone But We'll Help With 20%.'

[Mr T]

Cunt's trick and anyone defending it is also a cunt. IMO.

[an tha]

1 hour ago, Alex_K said:

In your opinion, do you think the English clubs are going to pay back broadcasters up to c. £1 bn? If the answer is no, who is going to pay?

I think they'll do a deal and end up with somewhere in the region of 65-70% of what they would have got.

 

Season is 75% complete but they'll settle on a lower %.

[devilsadvocate]

2 hours ago, an tha said:

This wasn't my 'argument' but i believe now there is pretty much no chance it will be finished.

 

They stopped in early March with 9 league games left and 10 for some - plus cup and Europe.

 

They won't be starting again any time soon.

Let's say at the very best they could start end May/start of June (and that is being very, very hopeful) they will have been without games or proper training for nigh on 3 months - they'll want a couple of weeks at the least of a 'pre-season'...

 

Then they have to play 10 league games (maybe cup and europe for some) and get all that in before next season can start - keep in mind next season has no real wriggle room to run late due to Euros being moved to end of next season.

 

How are they going to get all that lot done in any kind of reasonable timeframe without it running into/fucking with the start of next season?

 

Add in all the agg around player contracts ending on June 30th, and the complications of even rolling them on and all that could mean.

 

New kit deals starting which are contracted and have massive advertising campaigns/launches etc planned tied to set dates....(for example are Nike just gonna let LFC lift title in NB gear when technically they are the kit suppliers on date it would happen).....

 

Oh and don't forget players/staff getting the virus and what that could mean if it happens.

 

They aren't gonna get this season completed - they'll have to scrap it IMHO and they'll buy themselves a fresh start in August - which is so much easier for all the factors that are involved.

TV money etc will fall under 'force majeure'

It's over.

 

Even the playing in June call I made above is probably very optimistic.

 

Looks to me that the best case scenario is we are in a continued lock down to the end of the month (more likely well into next month )

 

When that lockdown ends it is virtually guaranteed we will be told to follow social distancing for a prolonged period and to avoid travel. I can't see how it is possible that football can be played while social distancing is in place. Therefore looking at it i can't see a way any football can be played until mid July at the earliest at which point there is no way IMO it will be the continuation of this season.

What happens when the inevitable 2nd wave of the virus hits next winter, shall we void that season aswell? 

 

The news coming out of the UEFA meeting last week is that they are fully expecting not to be able to finish this season until July/Aug and they plan to rejig next season to accommodate finishing this one. 
 

Fifa are looking into the contract issues and James Pearce reported last week regarding the NB/Nike issue. 

[Tony Moanero]

Boston Red Cocks.

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Tony Moanero said:

Boston Red Cocks.

Spray paint it on melwood 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Tony Moanero said:

Boston Red Cocks.

I'm afraid I have had to rep you for that.

[Barrington Womble]

2 hours ago, M_B said:

Yes

 

The question is - should a company with plenty of funds be taking tax payer's money to pay their employees?

This is not aimed at you in particular, but pretty much everyone who's slating the club over this.

 

The funds have been made available to everyone, the government has not applied restrictions. Companies up and down the country will be claiming this money, yet we expect some moralistic behaviour from football clubs? I don't get it. This money is to recompense people because government incompetency had forced a business lock down. When this disaster is over, we will all be paying the tax burden on this debt, football included. Banks will be taking this money. Cunts like Branson will be taking this money. Fuck heads like Ashley and his empire will be taking this money. Yet everyone will have to pay it back. Until we start slating everyone for taking this money (then I have to ask why are we making it available), why is the club wrong (and football in general)? They will share the tax burden, but not the help at a time when their cashflow has dried up? 

 

Sorry, you all sound like fucking Tories. Next you'll be telling the players to make up the gap while letting people like Branson and that cunt who runs wetherspoons off the hook. That cunt Hancock brought up in his press conference the other day that players should take a pay cut. Why, because footballers are just working class plebs who don't really earn what they're paid unlike their fucking Eton mates? Nobody is complaining for billionaires to help out here. Nobody is asking the fucking CEO of Tesco's who'll be making a fucking bundle on toilet roll sale alone. No, apparently all these are legitimate ways to make a fucking bundle on the crisis, but hey, footballers just play football, surely they can help? They don't really earn that money unlike Tarquin and Rupert at fuckhead and sons hedgefund. It's much easier to point a finger at footballers and football in general to distract from the absolute shit show this government is making of this pandemic. You should all be ashamed for buying into it. You are letting them make you think this has anything to do with football. This is a fuck up made from our government who've neglected this country for 10 years so we have a health service that is actively killing the people who work in it and is incapable of helping the people it's there to serve. But hey, let's get upset because a football club has put a few people on furlough because they can no longer do their jobs because nobody can walk out the door in case the healthier service breaks. 

[dockers_strike]

Anyone know if our players have agreed a wage cut now?

[Mr T]

5 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

This is not aimed at you in particular, but pretty much everyone who's slating the club over this.

 

The funds have been made available to everyone, the government has not applied restrictions. Companies up and down the country will be claiming this money, yet we expect some moralistic behaviour from football clubs? I don't get it. This money is to recompense people because government incompetency had forced a business lock down. When this disaster is over, we will all be paying the tax burden on this debt, football included. Banks will be taking this money. Cunts like Branson will be taking this money. Fuck heads like Ashley and his empire will be taking this money. Yet everyone will have to pay it back. Until we start slating everyone for taking this money (then I have to ask why are we making it available), why is the club wrong (and football in general)? They will share the tax burden, but not the help at a time when their cashflow has dried up? 

 

Sorry, you all sound like fucking Tories. Next you'll be telling the players to make up the gap while letting people like Branson and that cunt who runs wetherspoons off the hook. That cunt Hancock brought up in his press conference the other day that players should take a pay cut. Why, because footballers are just working class plebs who don't really earn what they're paid unlike their fucking Eton mates? Nobody is complaining for billionaires to help out here. Nobody is asking the fucking CEO of Tesco's who'll be making a fucking bundle on toilet roll sale alone. No, apparently all these are legitimate ways to make a fucking bundle on the crisis, but hey, footballers just play football, surely they can help? They don't really earn that money unlike Tarquin and Rupert at fuckhead and sons hedgefund. It's much easier to point a finger at footballers and football in general to distract from the absolute shit show this government is making of this pandemic. You should all be ashamed for buying into it. You are letting them make you think this has anything to do with football. This is a fuck up made from our government who've neglected this country for 10 years so we have a health service that is actively killing the people who work in it and is incapable of helping the people it's there to serve. But hey, let's get upset because a football club has put a few people on furlough because they can no longer do their jobs because nobody can walk out the door in case the healthier service breaks. 

Be the change you want to see in the world. Or don't. But if you don't, try not to patronise us with anymore bullshit.

 

It's very simple. The club could choose to look after their own or take a hand out from someone else to look after their own. They chose the latter. Forget what other people doing, it's totally irrelevant. You're the one that sounds like a Tory BTW.

[TheDrowningMan]

10 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

This is not aimed at you in particular, but pretty much everyone who's slating the club over this.

 

The funds have been made available to everyone, the government has not applied restrictions. Companies up and down the country will be claiming this money, yet we expect some moralistic behaviour from football clubs? I don't get it. This money is to recompense people because government incompetency had forced a business lock down. When this disaster is over, we will all be paying the tax burden on this debt, football included. Banks will be taking this money. Cunts like Branson will be taking this money. Fuck heads like Ashley and his empire will be taking this money. Yet everyone will have to pay it back. Until we start slating everyone for taking this money (then I have to ask why are we making it available), why is the club wrong (and football in general)? They will share the tax burden, but not the help at a time when their cashflow has dried up? 

 

Sorry, you all sound like fucking Tories. Next you'll be telling the players to make up the gap while letting people like Branson and that cunt who runs wetherspoons off the hook. That cunt Hancock brought up in his press conference the other day that players should take a pay cut. Why, because footballers are just working class plebs who don't really earn what they're paid unlike their fucking Eton mates? Nobody is complaining for billionaires to help out here. Nobody is asking the fucking CEO of Tesco's who'll be making a fucking bundle on toilet roll sale alone. No, apparently all these are legitimate ways to make a fucking bundle on the crisis, but hey, footballers just play football, surely they can help? They don't really earn that money unlike Tarquin and Rupert at fuckhead and sons hedgefund. It's much easier to point a finger at footballers and football in general to distract from the absolute shit show this government is making of this pandemic. You should all be ashamed for buying into it. You are letting them make you think this has anything to do with football. This is a fuck up made from our government who've neglected this country for 10 years so we have a health service that is actively killing the people who work in it and is incapable of helping the people it's there to serve. But hey, let's get upset because a football club has put a few people on furlough because they can no longer do their jobs because nobody can walk out the door in case the healthier service breaks. 

Agreed.

 

There are tons of businesses bigger than Liverpool FC that will furlough, not bother to make up the 20% and escape with comparatively minimal press about the matter.

 

Would I prefer for the club to be paying 100%? Absolutely, I think it would be better from a PR perspective at a relatively small cost to a very profitable business, but in practical terms all I give a shit about is whether the staff are receiving full pay. They are, and that’s where the matter ends.

[Creator Supreme]

4 minutes ago, TheDrowningMan said:

Agreed.

 

There are tons of businesses bigger than Liverpool FC that will furlough, not bother to make up the 20% and escape with comparatively minimal press about the matter.

 

Would I prefer for the club to be paying 100%? Absolutely, I think it would be better from a PR perspective at a relatively small cost to a very profitable business, but in practical terms all I give a shit about is whether the staff are receiving full pay. They are, and that’s where the matter ends.

No mate, come on! A company with a half billion pound turnover taking government money to pay their lower paid staff, when some of their staff are on millions a year! The directors of said company would be the first ones calling for 'small government' in normal circumstances!

 

It's indefensible! If it was City, United or the Blooshite we'd be up in arms!

 

Pitiful from FSG!

[Tony Moanero]

21 minutes ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

I'm afraid I have had to rep you for that.

Bastard.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

No mate, come on! A company with a half billion pound turnover taking government money to pay their lower paid staff, when some of their staff are on millions a year! The directors of said company would be the first ones calling for 'small government' in normal circumstances!

 

It's indefensible! If it was City, United or the Blooshite we'd be up in arms!

 

Pitiful from FSG!

Your journey from the dark side to the light is almost complete!

[Guest]

Just now, Tony Moanero said:

Bastard.

And again. Sometimes it's best to quit before things get really out of hand.

[Creator Supreme]

11 minutes ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

Your journey from the dark side to the light is almost complete!

I wouldn't go that far mate!

[dockers_strike]

6 minutes ago, TheDrowningMan said:

Agreed.

 

There are tons of businesses bigger than Liverpool FC that will furlough, not bother to make up the 20% and escape with comparatively minimal press about the matter.

 

Would I prefer for the club to be paying 100%? Absolutely, I think it would be better from a PR perspective at a relatively small cost to a very profitable business, but in practical terms all I give a shit about is whether the staff are receiving full pay. They are, and that’s where the matter ends.

Im a bit disappointed the club has done this but to be honest, Im confused why Im disappointed. The way I see it is the staff are still getting their full pay. So people are arguing over the club using a Government scheme open to all UK companies and not the fact the employees are getting 100% of their pay?

 

If this goes on for as long as expected, the way I see it is only city and maybe united will be able to afford not to call on the Government scheme. Should I be indignant that city are so awash with their owner's money they might not have to resort to this scheme while Liverpool have?

 

Seems a bit of one upmanship to me to say every company in the UK and many bigger than Liverpool and paying fuck all tax, can use this scheme but Liverpool shouldnt.

 

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

I think the feeling is that supporters of this club in this City brought up believing in socialism and decency is a bit pissed off that the club has decided to not continue to pay their staff while players who aren’t worth a shilling are taking home more than their years salary in a few days. 
 

less of the Tory bullshit. Anyone not arsed by this or defending it can get the fuck away from this club 

[an tha]

46 minutes ago, devilsadvocate said:

What happens when the inevitable 2nd wave of the virus hits next winter, shall we void that season aswell? 

 

The news coming out of the UEFA meeting last week is that they are fully expecting not to be able to finish this season until July/Aug and they plan to rejig next season to accommodate finishing this one. 
 

Fifa are looking into the contract issues and James Pearce reported last week regarding the NB/Nike issue. 

I'll be fucking made up if they finish it - but also very, very surprised.

 

I really fucking hope I am wrong.

[Bjornebye]

Adam Lallana picks up in a week what 3 members of staff pick up in a year. 
 

fuck off 

[Moo]

49 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

This is not aimed at you in particular, but pretty much everyone who's slating the club over this.

 

The funds have been made available to everyone, the government has not applied restrictions. Companies up and down the country will be claiming this money, yet we expect some moralistic behaviour from football clubs? I don't get it. This money is to recompense people because government incompetency had forced a business lock down. When this disaster is over, we will all be paying the tax burden on this debt, football included. Banks will be taking this money. Cunts like Branson will be taking this money. Fuck heads like Ashley and his empire will be taking this money. Yet everyone will have to pay it back. Until we start slating everyone for taking this money (then I have to ask why are we making it available), why is the club wrong (and football in general)? They will share the tax burden, but not the help at a time when their cashflow has dried up? 

 

Sorry, you all sound like fucking Tories. Next you'll be telling the players to make up the gap while letting people like Branson and that cunt who runs wetherspoons off the hook. That cunt Hancock brought up in his press conference the other day that players should take a pay cut. Why, because footballers are just working class plebs who don't really earn what they're paid unlike their fucking Eton mates? Nobody is complaining for billionaires to help out here. Nobody is asking the fucking CEO of Tesco's who'll be making a fucking bundle on toilet roll sale alone. No, apparently all these are legitimate ways to make a fucking bundle on the crisis, but hey, footballers just play football, surely they can help? They don't really earn that money unlike Tarquin and Rupert at fuckhead and sons hedgefund. It's much easier to point a finger at footballers and football in general to distract from the absolute shit show this government is making of this pandemic. You should all be ashamed for buying into it. You are letting them make you think this has anything to do with football. This is a fuck up made from our government who've neglected this country for 10 years so we have a health service that is actively killing the people who work in it and is incapable of helping the people it's there to serve. But hey, let's get upset because a football club has put a few people on furlough because they can no longer do their jobs because nobody can walk out the door in case the healthier service breaks. 

Who's letting anyone off the hook?  There's a thread on the GF called Coronacunts, FSG can go in it along with all the others you've mentioned. 

A lot of people expected better of "the club" and feel let down by FSG (again), the fucking shysters. 

 

edit - fortunately FSG are not, never have been, and never will be Liverpool Football Club.