Irish General Election

[Dougie Do'ins 9,689]

Really surprised that this isn't being discussed already.

 

Exit polls have it as a really tight vote between Fine Gael, Sinn Féin and Fianna Fáil.

 

I don't know enough about Irish politics but is there any chance two of the three parties forming an alliance should it  be as close as predicted ?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51432660

 

[Bjornebye 25,576]

How massive would a Sinn Fein victory be over there? 

[KMD7 7,310]

9 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

How massive would a Sinn Fein victory be over there? 

Fucking Brilliant. First Sinn Fein td elected in my County Mayo in almost 100 years (my dad canvassed for her) and it's being mirrored throughout the country. 

Won't win a majority as they only put forward 41 candidates but a huge step forward.

[Bjornebye 25,576]

 

 

 

 

[KMD7 7,310]

17 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

Really surprised that this isn't being discussed already.

 

Exit polls have it as a really tight vote between Fine Gael, Sinn Féin and Fianna Fáil.

 

I don't know enough about Irish politics but is there any chance two of the three parties forming an alliance should it  be as close as predicted ?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51432660

 

A Fianna Fail/Sinn Fein coalition is possible. 

[Bjornebye 25,576]

 

 

[KMD7 7,310]

Fianna Fail look like they could end up being the largest party after this so A Fianna Fail/Sinn Fein coalition is possible.  Fine Gael and Fianna Fail may go into another confidence and supply arrangement like last time though that would probably ruin both of them.  

Sinn Fein may be able to form an alliance with other left wing parties and independents. It's all up in the air at the moment

[JohnnyH 6,518]

55 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

Really surprised that this isn't being discussed already.

 

Exit polls have it as a really tight vote between Fine Gael, Sinn Féin and Fianna Fáil.

 

I don't know enough about Irish politics but is there any chance two of the three parties forming an alliance should it  be as close as predicted ?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51432660

 

The problem we have is our usual two main party’s, Fine Gael and Fianna Fail, are two sides of the same coin now. Both are now hated, albeit people will still vote for them. They’ve had a confidence and supply agreement for a while, so no proper opposition.  The Irish Labour Party has been desperately poor since they last got a big vote in the ‘90s and wasted it. Sinn Fein have been on the periphery for a while, but now will finish ahead of Fine Gael, and possibly Fianna Fáil. They have said they want to be in government, so if the usual suspects ignore it and try and form another confidence and supply agreement, there’ll be hell to pay. So I think Sinn Fein will end up in government and will have to actually govern and stand over their policies.  
 

It’s not been some silly, anti-British campaign by them either. Nor has it been all about a United Ireland. They’ve promoted policies. This is good. I hope they end up in government (albeit it’ll be in coalition) and actually have to govern. Britain had been torn apart by Nationalist politics, but the Sinn Fein kind of nationalistic politics is very different.  It’s left leaning. It’s socialist-lite.  It’s pro-immigration. It’s pro top earners pay their tax. 
 

It’s a big day in Irish politics. The most dramatic election since 1918.  

 

[Dougie Do'ins 9,689]

Did anyone see this coming ?

[KMD7 7,310]

10 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

Did anyone see this coming ?

Not to this extent no. For example My home village (like most rural areas) has always been split between the two civil war parties vote wise since the inception of the state. This time the Sinn Fein candidate cleaned up there. Unheard of even 4 years ago

[KMD7 7,310]

22 minutes ago, JohnnyH said:

The problem we have is our usual two main party’s, Fine Gael and Fianna Fail, are two sides of the same coin now. Both are now hated, albeit people will still vote for them. They’ve had a confidence and supply agreement for a while, so no proper opposition.  The Irish Labour Party has been desperately poor since they last got a big vote in the ‘90s and wasted it. Sinn Fein have been on the periphery for a while, but now will finish ahead of Fine Gael, and possibly Fianna Fáil. They have said they want to be in government, so if the usual suspects ignore it and try and form another confidence and supply agreement, there’ll be hell to pay. So I think Sinn Fein will end up in government and will have to actually govern and stand over their policies.  
 

It’s not been some silly, anti-British campaign by them either. Nor has it been all about a United Ireland. They’ve promoted policies. This is good. I hope they end up in government (albeit it’ll be in coalition) and actually have to govern. Britain had been torn apart by Nationalist politics, but the Sinn Fein kind of nationalistic politics is very different.  It’s left leaning. It’s socialist-lite.  It’s pro-immigration. It’s pro top earners pay their tax. 
 

It’s a big day in Irish politics. The most dramatic election since 1918.  

 

Good post Johnny. 

[KMD7 7,310]

30 minutes ago, JohnnyH said:

The problem we have is our usual two main party’s, Fine Gael and Fianna Fail, are two sides of the same coin now. Both are now hated, albeit people will still vote for them. They’ve had a confidence and supply agreement for a while, so no proper opposition.  The Irish Labour Party has been desperately poor since they last got a big vote in the ‘90s and wasted it. Sinn Fein have been on the periphery for a while, but now will finish ahead of Fine Gael, and possibly Fianna Fáil. They have said they want to be in government, so if the usual suspects ignore it and try and form another confidence and supply agreement, there’ll be hell to pay. So I think Sinn Fein will end up in government and will have to actually govern and stand over their policies.  
 

It’s not been some silly, anti-British campaign by them either. Nor has it been all about a United Ireland. They’ve promoted policies. This is good. I hope they end up in government (albeit it’ll be in coalition) and actually have to govern. Britain had been torn apart by Nationalist politics, but the Sinn Fein kind of nationalistic politics is very different.  It’s left leaning. It’s socialist-lite.  It’s pro-immigration. It’s pro top earners pay their tax. 
 

It’s a big day in Irish politics. The most dramatic election since 1918.  

 

I can see Martin backpedalling on his earlier promise to have nothing to do with Sinn Fein and attempt to form a coalition with them.  He surely must know he'll be finished if he attempts another confidence and supply arrangement with Fine Gael

[niallers 1,063]

Sinn fein would've gotten a lot more seats if they had contested in all constituencies. You need an 81 majority to rule and they only put forward 40 candidates. Next time they'll run nearer 60 I'd say. 

It could be hung parliament and I wouldn't be surprised if there's another election in a few months. If fianna fail, who've previously said no to Sinn Fein as a partner change their mind,they'll form a strong coalition which is the best of a bad bunch really. A bit of stability and a fucking lot less austerity is what we're after.

Apple owe us ten billion in tax and fines and fine Gael want to contest the decision to collect it. Fucking cunts. That money could do an awful lot for the hospital crisis and homeless situation we have here.

[KMD7 7,310]

2 minutes ago, niallers said:

Sinn fein would've gotten a lot more seats if they had contested in all constituencies. You need an 81 majority to rule and they only put forward 40 candidates. Next time they'll run nearer 60 I'd say. 

It could be hung parliament and I wouldn't be surprised if there's another election in a few months. If fianna fail, who've previously said no to Sinn Fein as a partner change their mind,they'll form a strong coalition which is the best of a bad bunch really. A bit of stability and a fucking lot less austerity is what we're after.

Apple owe us ten billion in tax and fines and fine Gael want to contest the decision to collect it. Fucking cunts. That money could do an awful lot for the hospital crisis and homeless situation we have here.

Yep

[Dougie Do'ins 9,689]

7 minutes ago, niallers said:

Apple owe us ten billion in tax and fines and fine Gael want to contest the decision to collect it. Fucking cunts. That money could do an awful lot for the hospital crisis and homeless situation we have here.

How the fuck has it been allowed to get to that much ?

[KMD7 7,310]

Just now, Dougie Do'ins said:

How the fuck has it been allowed to get to that much ?

Only for the EU went after them for it it would be a lot more. None of our ruling parties want to go near them for it. Cunts

[Dougie Do'ins 9,689]

[NoelM 277]

The arrogance from the current FG government was astounding, they were so cut adrift from the real issues people were concerned about. Firstly, the housing crisis, in Ireland we're obsessed with owning our own homes but due to vulture funds and property developers stock-piling land we have spiraling rent and hence a huge homeless crisis.

To add to this we had a flu epidemic over the Christmas period and our hospitals were full to bursting, 100s on trolleys, some couldn't even get a trolley but the current government didn't mention these issues when setting out their manifestos. They kept saying "the economy is booming" and "look at our record on Brexit", promising tax cuts and new roads when most people would just prefer better public services (health, public transport etc).

Also, despite what some journalists are saying, their is some anti-Brexiteer feeling here, it's to do with the ignorance of most of the Tories towards Irish history and the contempt we've been treated with by the likes of Priti Patel etc.

Sinn Fein tapped into this in a big way, a perfect storm for them.

[Lee909 11,531]

Wait till they get them on the BBC

 

 

 

[NoelM 277]

Another noteworthy item is that all the far-right wankers polled less than 1%, we have one absolute "dose" called Peter Casey who tried to get elected in Donegal AND in Dublin, he got less than 1% in each  Also our very own Katie Hopkins  called Gemma O'Doherty got less than 2% in her constituency.

[Dougie Do'ins 9,689]

4 minutes ago, NoelM said:

The arrogance from the current FG government was astounding, they were so cut adrift from the real issues people were concerned about. Firstly, the housing crisis, in Ireland we're obsessed with owning our own homes but due to vulture funds and property developers stock-piling land we have spiraling rent and hence a huge homeless crisis.

To add to this we had a flu epidemic over the Christmas period and our hospitals were full to bursting, 100s on trolleys, some couldn't even get a trolley but the current government didn't mention these issues when setting out their manifestos. They kept saying "the economy is booming" and "look at our record on Brexit", promising tax cuts and new roads when most people would just prefer better public services (health, public transport etc).

Also, despite what some journalists are saying, their is some anti-Brexiteer feeling here, it's to do with the ignorance of most of the Tories towards Irish history and the contempt we've been treated with by the likes of Priti Patel etc.

Sinn Fein tapped into this in a big way, a perfect storm for them.

I've been reading about the crime related to feuding drugs gangs lately. The case of that lad getting dismembered was awful. It seems hardly a week goes by where someone isn't being taken out or seriously maimed by someone else. It seems like the police are either heavily involved, or to scared to get involved.

 

Get the feeling it's totally out of control and what I'm reading and hearing about is just the tip of a fucking huge iceberg.  

[Lee909 11,531]

Just now, NoelM said:

Another noteworthy item is that all the far-right wankers polled less than 1%, we have one absolute "dose" called Peter Casey who tried to get elected in Donegal AND in Dublin, he got less than 1% in each  Also our very own Katie Hopkins  called Gemma O'Doherty got less than 2% in her constituency.

Is she the cunt that I see on twatter moaning about foreign kids in Irish schools? 

[niallers 1,063]

23 minutes ago, NoelM said:

The arrogance from the current FG government was astounding, they were so cut adrift from the real issues people were concerned about. Firstly, the housing crisis, in Ireland we're obsessed with owning our own homes but due to vulture funds and property developers stock-piling land we have spiraling rent and hence a huge homeless crisis.

To add to this we had a flu epidemic over the Christmas period and our hospitals were full to bursting, 100s on trolleys, some couldn't even get a trolley but the current government didn't mention these issues when setting out their manifestos. They kept saying "the economy is booming" and "look at our record on Brexit", promising tax cuts and new roads when most people would just prefer better public services (health, public transport etc).

Also, despite what some journalists are saying, their is some anti-Brexiteer feeling here, it's to do with the ignorance of most of the Tories towards Irish history and the contempt we've been treated with by the likes of Priti Patel etc.

Sinn Fein tapped into this in a big way, a perfect storm for them.

Add all this to the cancelled proposed RIC commemoration recently who were inexorably linked with the black and tans which in turn lead to the Wolfe tone song to get to number 1 in Ireland. Stuff like that lead me to believe that fine Gael would get hammered in the vote. It shouldn't be like that in reality as policies should determine a party's success, but that sort of thing was a good enough reason for people to vent their anger at and get them out.

[NoelM 277]

1 minute ago, niallers said:

Add all this to the cancelled proposed RIC commemoration recently who were inexorably linked with the black and tans which in turn lead to the Wolfe tone song to get to number 1 in Ireland. Stuff like that lead me to believe that fine Gael would get hammered in the vote. It shouldn't be like that in reality as policies should determine a party's success, but that sort of thing was a good enough reason for people to vent their anger at and get them out.

Their timing for calling the election was unbelievable really, talk about shooting themselves in the foot?

[skaro 5,219]

 

Fianna Fáil and Sinn Fein?

 

Old Dev would be hanging himself from the bannister with his rugby scarf in his leafy old Dublin mansion at the very thought.