The FA Cup reaction

[Evelyn Tentions]

Despite saying he won't watch the match, Jurgen will probably go in disguise, with a beard and wearing glasses and a baseball cap.

Oh. Maybe not.

[VladimirIlyich]

I,for one,welcome our new football management overlord Neil Critchley.

[Stickman]

10 hours ago, Duff Man said:

Would be funny as fuck if we went on to win it now.

I always remember Rafa getting dogs abuse from the media, fans and ex-players for playing a weakened side going out against Burnley in 05 when Traore looked like Bambi on ice scoring an own goal and I remember thinking it would be great if we win this next season...

Makes me also think with Jurgen if we don't win it this season then I'd put money on us doing it next year

[s(k)aturation]

1 hour ago, Stickman said:

I always remember Rafa getting dogs abuse from the media, fans and ex-players for playing a weakened side going out against Burnley in 05 when Traore looked like Bambi on ice scoring an own goal and I remember thinking it would be great if we win this next season...

 

Constantinople wasn't a bad consolation for Turf Moor, in the meantime.

 

 

[VladimirIlyich]

30 minutes ago, skaro said:

 

Constantinople wasn't a bad consolation for Turf Moor, in the meantime.

 

 

And Traore was a hero in that game. Who'd have thought?

[Dr Nowt]

Haven’t even read the comments about Klopp in the media because it’s all so boringly predictable, clowns like Simon Jordan being wheeled out from the solarium to run his cunt mouth. 
 

I’ve seen various headlines though, and that Accrington Stanley owner who’s crawled up to sound off has got Everton fan written absolutely all over him.

[Davelfc]

Accrington Stanley owner Andy Holt has hit out at Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp once again over the German's stance on FA Cup replays. It's the second time in a week that Holt has taken issue with Klopp over the Reds' fourth-round replay with Shrewsbury after he confirmed that he would be absent for clash at Anfield. In a series of tweets, Holt went on a tirade where he accused Klopp of going 'on the p***' rather than sitting in the dugout for the FA Cup clash.

 

Bitter manc cunt! 

 

“I’ve been to Old Trafford many, many times, I’ve watched Barcelona in the Nou Camp, I’ve been all over watching football and none of them is as good as watching Accrington Stanley.”

 

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/14031681.andy-holt-forget-barcelona-manchester-united---accrington-stanley-club/

 

 

 

[sir roger]

I'm surprised John Coleman hasn't nutted him.

[dockers_strike]

17 minutes ago, Philtrum said:

Accrington Stanley owner Andy Holt has hit out at Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp once again over the German's stance on FA Cup replays. It's the second time in a week that Holt has taken issue with Klopp over the Reds' fourth-round replay with Shrewsbury after he confirmed that he would be absent for clash at Anfield. In a series of tweets, Holt went on a tirade where he accused Klopp of going 'on the p***' rather than sitting in the dugout for the FA Cup clash.

 

Bitter manc cunt! 

 

“I’ve been to Old Trafford many, many times, I’ve watched Barcelona in the Nou Camp, I’ve been all over watching football and none of them is as good as watching Accrington Stanley.”

 

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/14031681.andy-holt-forget-barcelona-manchester-united---accrington-stanley-club/

 

 

 

Surely he's crossed the line with this stuff and the FA should be slapping a charge of bringing the game into disrepute? I wont hold my breath though.

 

In other news, Accrington lost 2-0 at home last night.

[Anubis]

Pep essentially backing Klopp.

 

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

17 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Pep essentially backing Klopp.

 

 

 

 

Whats in it for him 

[Colt Seavers]

55 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Pep essentially backing Klopp.

 

 

 

 

 

37 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Whats in it for him 

Didn't Klopp back him over Christmas when they played 2 games in 3 days or something, basically saying clubs need to stick together on the scheduling rather than say "we have had to do similar so why shouldnt they"

[aws]

1 hour ago, Bjornebye said:

Whats in it for him 

Same as Rodgers.  If we get knocked out, they might win it. 

[moof]

Pep is angling for a coaching role here next season. Fuck off you baldy arse kisser we don’t need you, we’ve got our own PEDs

[Razoray]

On 28/01/2020 at 23:30, Babb'sBurstNad said:

Sorry, can't let that slide without a rebuttal. Not having a go, but I've seen this view spouted by pundits and lower league bods a few times, and in my opinion it's mistaking correlation for causation.

 

The decline of the FA Cup has coincided with an increase in foreign influence - players, coaches and owners - in the English game, but the root causes lie elsewhere. 

 

The main spoils of the English game used to be the league title and the FA Cup, with a brief jaunt into European knockout competition as a luxury afforded to a select few. The money and prestige from the FA Cup was therefore prominent. As English sides started winning European Cups regularly, I'd argue the FA Cup had already begun the first stages of its slow demotion - as a greater prize was now achievable -  and this would only really be abated in the period post-Heysel where it regained top two billing.

 

However, the Premier League era, with the massive inflation in broadcast revenue turned domestic cup participation into something that needed to be weighed against survival in the league, hence clubs sitting towards the bottom of the table starting to risk fielding weaker teams. They'd be stocked with English players, English managers, but still facing a dilemma that no attachment to a sense of whimsical magic could alleviate. The money in the league meant regaining your place at the top table would become even harder than it had ever been. Get off the gravy train, and you may never get back on.

 

Alongside this shift, came the expanded Champions League format, which offered both a greater workload, and a huge monetary incentive to the sides towards the top of the league. As such, they too would start fielding weaker teams as a calculated risk. The best players wanted a CL side, those sides had the best chance of winning the league, so things like mid-week replays in domestic competitions were pushed down the list of priorities. Most football clubs either planning or worried about the future are always looking upwards or downwards, and domestic cups became more of a lateral concern, a bonus for those who get near the latter rounds.

 

This squeezing from top and bottom is what lead to the idea that only plucky mid-table - salt of the earth, English managers etc. - sides take it seriously; they do so because they don't face the potential to lose their position, either financially, or the players associated with their status.

 

I'd argue there was a resurgence of a golden period for the FA Cup during the PL era, when English sides were shite in Europe. But, as one competition gains prominence and its prize attainability, the other inevitably slides into the background.

 

Lower league sides, where the potential to go one round further, and maybe draw a big club, put in the effort because they don't get regular television or gate revenue of that magnitude, or the associated cache of playing a big side weekly, so it becomes important to them. It's a day in front of the cameras, their Rocky moment, and a free hit. This has been rebranded as "the magic of the cup", but in reality it's little more than the British obsession with the plucky underdog story. 

 

For the record, I'd love us to win the FA Cup, as I still want it to be a showcase event for the best of domestic football. I know, however, that it's now a faded star - the silent actress trying to feign relevance in the talky era - ignored by top directors and desperate to claim top billing again. If the FA want it to be what it once was, they need to consider the steps necessary to make it appealing to the best sides; it may sound arrogant and elitist, but in every sport it's the participation of the best that make a competition relevant. And, whilst we've got the two best coaches in world football in our league, I'd take their comments seriously rather than intimating they simply don't understand its magic.

 

Apologies for the long post.

Even in the 70s/80s we prioritised the league and Europe over the FA cup. Not necessarily with rotation but most certainly with mental preparation. Was it just luck that Bob won 4 european trophies in his 9 years in charge but never the FA cup?

[liverpoolsno9]

1 hour ago, moof said:

Pep is angling for a coaching role here next season. Fuck off you baldy arse kisser we don’t need you, we’ve got our own PEDs

At the moment we can only get the PEDS on these shores or Austria and Germany. Pep would open the door to dealers in Spain and increase our network of dealers. This needs to happen if we're to the Spanish teams in their own backyard. 

[VladimirIlyich]

7 hours ago, liverpoolsno9 said:

At the moment we can only get the PEDS on these shores or Austria and Germany. Pep would open the door to dealers in Spain and increase our network of dealers. This needs to happen if we're to the Spanish teams in their own backyard. 

I wouldn't want to get our PEDs from Spain,its a Messi business.

[JustTosh]

9 hours ago, aws said:

Same as Rodgers.  If we get knocked out, they might win it. 

Is there anyone on here who thinks there’s a slight possibility Brendan and Pep actually want to support Klopp on this, that they see it as utterly important not to interfere with the winter break. I mean, no conspiracy, no hidden agenda, just plain support for a case they agree with and the man fronting it?

Naahh. Couldn’t be, could it?

[deiseach]

A week and three points further on, I'd like someone to take Jurgen aside and say look, you've made your point but at this stage it would be an absolute travesty if this team won only one (major) trophy this season and putting all your eggs in the Champions League basket is asking for trouble.

[magicrat]

1 hour ago, deiseach said:

A week and three points further on, I'd like someone to take Jurgen aside and say look, you've made your point but at this stage it would be an absolute travesty if this team won only one (major) trophy this season and putting all your eggs in the Champions League basket is asking for trouble.

I don't agree with Klopp on this either but I see zero chance he will make a U turn so we will see what happens. 

After all the kids may very well see off Gooseberry 

[dockers_strike]

Nah, Jurgen's right to stick to his guns. Besides the media, sky sports, the FA and that cunt andy holt would give it large that they won and he's backed down because he knew he was wrong.

 

And what sign would it send the players who will have made plans and now told 'sorry lads, Ive got so much shit sticking up for your break, Ive backed down. You'll all have to cancel your plans and report for training.'

 

[Anubis]

Fuck anyone who isn’t us.

[JustTosh]

33 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

Nah, Jurgen's right to stick to his guns. Besides the media, sky sports, the FA and that cunt andy holt would give it large that they won and he's backed down because he knew he was wrong.

 

And what sign would it send the players who will have made plans and now told 'sorry lads, Ive got so much shit sticking up for your break, Ive backed down. You'll all have to cancel your plans and report for training.'

 

When someone tries to bully you it’s sometimes better to take a stand than to lay down.  

FA is way out of order to neglect the decision made by the PL. Sadly it’s been proven necessary for someone to tell them

[s(k)aturation]

15 minutes ago, JustTosh said:

When someone tries to bully you it’s sometimes better to take a stand than to lay down.  

 

Not sometimes. Always.

 

But Klopp could have just called them all out, called the football powers in England a bad, hypocritical contradictory joke... and still thrown a few squad players into the replay next week... without losing face....

 

And then said, if this happens next year in the break, you cunts, the club won't turn up at all.

 

 

[Anubis]

20 minutes ago, skaro said:

 

Not sometimes. Always.

 

But Klopp could have just called them all out, called the football powers in England a bad, hypocritical contradictory joke... and still thrown a few squad players into the replay next week... without losing face....

 

And then said, if this happens next year in the break, you cunts, the club won't turn up at all.

 

 

The players aren’t the issue any more. It’s now become about Klopp being at the replay. It’s fucking farcical.