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16 minutes ago, Halcyon Days said:

How can you do this when money is no object?

 

They’ll use the oil cheat manual when it comes to sponsorship deals jumping up that Deloitte league table in the process.

 

I can’t wait to beat them in December fucking upstarts.

 

 

Because as it stands they still have to abide by the Premier League's P&S rules.

 

Despite the Newcastle fans protestations, Ashley has left them in pretty good shape so they have lots of capacity early on (and amortisation of fee's will help) but they can still only make a loss of 105 million over a three year period (covid rules aside).

 

Man City have scuppered the sponsorship route somewhat because they're currently in a court battle with the PL on exactly that subject so it's a bit more high profile and open to scrutiny than when City tried it.

 

The deal with Fun88 only kicked in last year so that sets the benchmark for the level of sponsorship the PL would expect ( they get a rumoured 6 mill a year so if that jumped up significantly they'd have to prove it's all above board). 

 

I imagine they'll be monitoring that court case closely as it could impact their plans.

 

 

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10 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

As I said in a previous post, I don't think it's easy to identify a good dof. Edwards as an example was absolutely fucking shite until klopp came along. If you think that's coincidence, fine. I don't, I think a good dof is a tiny part of the story.  

 

As for Everton. They didn't get brands from Leicester. They got Steve Walsh. They quickly realised that wasn't working. So they chased brands who was broadly regarded as a good dof across Europe. Yet he hasn't been. Monchi was lauded for what he did at Seville, yet he was absolutely shite at Roma. It just isn't a magic wand thing. You can have all the long term strategy you want, but everyone is doing the same thing. I could say "I'm a dof, aim to get u25 players for resale value, aim to get players who can press and pass, play a high paced game and use data to deliver those players". But if it was that simple, we wouldn't have managers and we wouldn't have dof's and we'd just have really good hardware and software developers driving recruitment AI and team selection. 

I think its getting that relationship right between the manager and the dof.

Remember Southampton for a good few years had an amazing set up where they were picking players up for relative buttons or bringing them through the academy?

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8 hours ago, Ronnie Whelan said:

Make no mistake, unless the Premier League end up getting a 5th or 6th spot Cl spot, it looks like it will be tense to get Champions League every year. Newcastle will be a huge presence in the coming years competiting for titles and Arsenal will eventually get their shit together. I don't really see FSG here if that's the case. I don't like them at all, but their style of business savvy should be the model that all clubs have to follow.

This part of your post is really interesting to me.

 

I have said numerous times on here that the reason the SuperLeague idea was brought forward last summer was because the other leagues (Italian and Spanish in particular) realise that we are on the verge of the Premier League essentially becoming the SuperLeague and them being left out. When you look at the money charts, with clubs like Sunderland and West Ham bringing in the same revenue as Juventus and Atletico Madrid (and on course to be higher than them in a couple of years), it becomes really obvious that's what's happening.

 

The real question is where the Champions League fits into all of this. I can easily see a future, maybe in 10-15 years, where over half of the top 100 players in the world play in England. Barca, Real, and Bayern aren't going away, exactly, but the greatest fan interest is going to always be where the best players are. There's no way if Messi comes through the Barca system right now that he would play there for his peak years. City (or Newcastle) would offer 300m for him when he was 21 and Barca couldn't hope to match the wages they offered and he'd be gone.

 

So whither the CL? I don't know. It will obviously still be here for the forseeable future - if for nothing else, because history means that there will always be a large fanbase for the big continental clubs, even as England takes more and more of the best players and money. Or maybe the Premier League will do something stupid, like quotas on British players, that stops them from becoming totally dominant, I don't know. But at some point you have to wonder if more fans want to watch Everton v Villa or Dortmund v Inter if the former feature much better players.

 

History will only take you so far, after all. It may take a generation, but if I were a betting man I'd bet that the CL will decline in importance in the long (and I do mean really long) term.

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On 09/10/2021 at 16:00, RedHeadedRed said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/oct/07/english-football-will-sell-itself-to-anyone-human-rights-groups-on-saudi-newcastle-deal  96.7% of Newcastle supporters trust in favour of this takeover. Some people on here are saying that Liverpool fans would be the same but there's no way it would be that high a percentage.

Course it would 

Liverpool have got fans all over the shop. 

Maybe the clued up match going activist type ones would protest but the vast majority of armchair viewers would be over the moon

A big chunk of the day trippers would be all for it aswell.

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9 hours ago, neko said:

I wonder what would happen if Newcastle showed up to an away fixture and the stands were full of people wearing Jamal Khashoggi masks ?

This would be interesting. If opposition teams simply sang his name, and held banners condemning the Newcastle regime The Saudis would obviously try and get it shut down ASAP but what standing would the authorities be able to use to shut down free speech?

 

I guess the answer is “how much” the Saudis would be willing.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Ne Moe Imya said:

This part of your post is really interesting to me.

 

I have said numerous times on here that the reason the SuperLeague idea was brought forward last summer was because the other leagues (Italian and Spanish in particular) realise that we are on the verge of the Premier League essentially becoming the SuperLeague and them being left out. When you look at the money charts, with clubs like Sunderland and West Ham bringing in the same revenue as Juventus and Atletico Madrid (and on course to be higher than them in a couple of years), it becomes really obvious that's what's happening.

 

The real question is where the Champions League fits into all of this. I can easily see a future, maybe in 10-15 years, where over half of the top 100 players in the world play in England. Barca, Real, and Bayern aren't going away, exactly, but the greatest fan interest is going to always be where the best players are. There's no way if Messi comes through the Barca system right now that he would play there for his peak years. City (or Newcastle) would offer 300m for him when he was 21 and Barca couldn't hope to match the wages they offered and he'd be gone.

 

So whither the CL? I don't know. It will obviously still be here for the forseeable future - if for nothing else, because history means that there will always be a large fanbase for the big continental clubs, even as England takes more and more of the best players and money. Or maybe the Premier League will do something stupid, like quotas on British players, that stops them from becoming totally dominant, I don't know. But at some point you have to wonder if more fans want to watch Everton v Villa or Dortmund v Inter if the former feature much better players.

 

History will only take you so far, after all. It may take a generation, but if I were a betting man I'd bet that the CL will decline in importance in the long (and I do mean really long) term.

Good post and good points. I agree with the reasons you mention about the Euro League, it's the same reason Celtic and Rangers have been rumoured for years of wanting to join the PL: for the money.

 

Real Madrid, old money. Barcelona virtually bankrupt unless someone pumps nearly a billion Euros into them. They must look at Newcastle now and think 'Why pick them, not us?' Juve have wealthy backers in the Agnelli family and while they may have ruled Serie A for most of the last 10 years, they risk being a big fish in a small pond constantly and fall behind the English clubs.

 

We dont really know what the PIF's strategy for Newcastle will be except ultimately, they'll want success for their money. Talk is they want 4 fringe united players. Unless the 4 are in the last year of their contracts which I dont think they are, united will soak them for every penny they can get. Same with almost any club who Newcastle may want to riad.

 

Sure, there's talk they can spend £190m and still be inside the PL's FFP equivalent but £50m- £60m for 4 players soon gobbles that up and I dont think they'll get away with inflated sponsorship deals like city did.

 

The one thing Newcastle will have though is 50,000 roaring the team on every week at home. And we should know never underestimate the power of a crowd.

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Not sure people are giving Newcastle the right amount of credit for pulling this off.

 

It takes a hell of a lot of doing to find a scumbag remotely as repulsive and putrid as Mike Ashley to run your club, didnt think it was possible to be honest but fairs fair after years of searching and an awful lot of hard work the Geordies have only gone and fhcking managed it with this Bin Salman of Saudi fella.

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12 hours ago, TD_LFC said:

 

 

Because as it stands they still have to abide by the Premier League's P&S rules.

 

Despite the Newcastle fans protestations, Ashley has left them in pretty good shape so they have lots of capacity early on (and amortisation of fee's will help) but they can still only make a loss of 105 million over a three year period (covid rules aside).

 

Man City have scuppered the sponsorship route somewhat because they're currently in a court battle with the PL on exactly that subject so it's a bit more high profile and open to scrutiny than when City tried it.

 

The deal with Fun88 only kicked in last year so that sets the benchmark for the level of sponsorship the PL would expect ( they get a rumoured 6 mill a year so if that jumped up significantly they'd have to prove it's all above board). 

 

I imagine they'll be monitoring that court case closely as it could impact their plans.

 

 

What are the PL or UEFA going to do? The answer is nothing, the horse has bolted. They will spend a billion keeping them in court.

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10 hours ago, Arniepie said:

I think its getting that relationship right between the manager and the dof.

Remember Southampton for a good few years had an amazing set up where they were picking players up for relative buttons or bringing them through the academy?

The thing is the sample size is too small. A lot of it can just be luck. It's like going the casino and picking red every time. If you only play 8 times, you might win 6 or lose 6. I think the lack of success of DoF's moving (I might be wrong, but I can't think of a single one that has moved without a manager and continued success), suggests to me luck plays a part, the input of the manager plays a part and as likely in this modern data driven scouting, the scouts on the ground backing that data up plays a part.

 

To put it simply, if you put yourself in PIFs position, who is this mythical DoF you start the process with? Loads of our fans will probably say Edwards and he would be available this summer, but who else? Personally I wouldn't be a tiny bit arsed if Edwards went there (aside from he probably takes our immediate transfer targets) as for me his success has been dependent on klopp - and not just because of klopp's eye from a scouting perspective, but because of what klopp does once the players are liverpool players. Before that his record was poor. Then who else is there who shown he can pick up and bring his skills to another club who want to be at the absolute highest level? 

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33 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

The thing is the sample size is too small. A lot of it can just be luck. It's like going the casino and picking red every time. If you only play 8 times, you might win 6 or lose 6. I think the lack of success of DoF's moving (I might be wrong, but I can't think of a single one that has moved without a manager and continued success), suggests to me luck plays a part, the input of the manager plays a part and as likely in this modern data driven scouting, the scouts on the ground backing that data up plays a part.

 

To put it simply, if you put yourself in PIFs position, who is this mythical DoF you start the process with? Loads of our fans will probably say Edwards and he would be available this summer, but who else? Personally I wouldn't be a tiny bit arsed if Edwards went there (aside from he probably takes our immediate transfer targets) as for me his success has been dependent on klopp - and not just because of klopp's eye from a scouting perspective, but because of what klopp does once the players are liverpool players. Before that his record was poor. Then who else is there who shown he can pick up and bring his skills to another club who want to be at the absolute highest level? 

Spot on it’s only that Klopp makes the system work and every department involved gets dragged along looking like experts in their field, bit like the footballer who can make a bad pass look good the mans a genius.

 

Wonder if there’s part of him that wants to stay and fight the good fight against these juiced up anomalies for another few seasons beyond 2024?

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Just been in my local landlord has a shielk outfit ready to wear on Sunday, apparently it was the last one in stock. There could be thousands of Geordies dressed up as sheiks at the game on Sunday not sure how that will go down.

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16 minutes ago, Edward. said:

Just been in my local landlord has a shielk outfit ready to wear on Sunday, apparently it was the last one in stock. There could be thousands of Geordies dressed up as sheiks at the game on Sunday not sure how that will go down.

I guess when the women turn up dressed head to toe in erm... cloth we'll know they've well and truly gone over to the dark saiid

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36 minutes ago, Edward. said:

Just been in my local landlord has a shielk outfit ready to wear on Sunday, apparently it was the last one in stock. There could be thousands of Geordies dressed up as sheiks at the game on Sunday not sure how that will go down.

Wor laff innit.

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1 minute ago, Harry Squatter said:

Glynnis Barber turned jnto Rocky Dennis.

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When plastic surgery goes wrong. 

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7 hours ago, Harry Squatter said:

Glynnis Barber turned jnto Rocky Dennis.

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There really should be a would/wouldn't thread on the GF.

Quite tasty on the would side, I was surprised when I saw the wouldn't.

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I'm starting to think Amanda Staveley might be in IKEA freezer bags and that yoke is the best effort they could make make build a new one.

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14 hours ago, Harry Squatter said:

Glynnis Barber turned jnto Rocky Dennis.

20211011_211942.jpg

 

14 hours ago, Pete said:

When plastic surgery goes wrong. 


Why do they do it to themselves? In the first picture she’s the definition of posh totty. In the second one she looks like an alien. 

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