Coronavirus

[Strontium]

5 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

Pointless speculating really. Maybe they’ll have another big outbreak there, maybe they won’t. People in this thread were convinced Covid was over in the UK not so long ago and we wouldn’t have another big rise in cases here. Have to wait and see. 

 

Deaths. Not cases. 

[Strontium]

6 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

You mean to tell me the economy isn't booming in Sweden? That's weird. Weren't we told by all the wannabe Nobel Laureates that Kronor would be flowing whilst the rest of the world would all be unemployed and poor because of lockdown? Shocking. It's almost like, and everyone who knows anything has been saying it, that the virus is what has fucked up economies, not the measures to slow it down.

 

It's a crying shame when people have to misrepresent what others have said.

 

Sweden's economy will suffer because of what is happening in other countries, because exports make up something like half of their GDP and are the main driver behind economic growth.

[Sugar Ape]

2 minutes ago, Dr Nowt said:

Surely Sweden’s approach to herd immunity can’t be thought responsible for any relative management of Covid by the very same principle Japan’s low death toll can’t be attributed to their widespread use of face masks and a less individualistic society.

What I can’t understand is that some people are simultaneously claiming that Sweden have suffered less infections and deaths than the UK while also claiming they’ve achieved herd immunity and the UK hasn’t. 

[Sugar Ape]

6 minutes ago, Stront19m Dog™ said:

 

Deaths. Not cases. 

I wasn’t referring to you. I know you had some kind of bet on a second wave with someone but I can’t be arsed going back to check what the details were. 

[3 Stacks]

4 minutes ago, Stront19m Dog™ said:

 

It's a crying shame when people have to misrepresent what others have said.

 

Sweden's economy will suffer because of what is happening in other countries, because exports make up something like half of their GDP and are the main driver behind economic growth.

It would have been great if people whining about the economy and championing Sweden for no reason could have figured that out then because from what I've seen and read from some places, Sweden should be utopia right now.

[Strontium]

Quoted from elsewhere:

 

"Since local lockdowns were introduced these are the changes in infection rates per 100,000 that have taken place:

Wigan: from 6 to 225
Rossendale: from 10 to 229
Burnley: from 21 to 434
Manchester: from 36 to 552
Hyndburn: from 19 to 275
Bury: from 20 to 266
Bolton: from 20 to 255
Salford: from 26 to 286
Rochdale: from 31 to 298
Tameside: from 26 to 219
Preston: from 41 to 312
Stockport: from 28 to 193
Pendle: from 46 to 307
Trafford: from 35 to 223
Kirklees: from 29 to 169
Bradford: from 54 to 258
Oldham: from 61 to 253
Oadby & Wigston: from 37 to 128
Calderdale: from 40 to 141
Blackburn with Darwen: from 79 to 218"

[cloggypop]

Not one of those places washes their hands

[Rico1304]

3 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Not one of those places washes their hands

We put our hands in our pockets though. 

[Strontium]

4 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Not one of those places washes their hands

 

It takes too long with all those excess fingers.

[TheHowieLama]

29 minutes ago, Stront19m Dog™ said:

 

Deaths. Not cases. 

Ideally less than flu - which it was a couple weeks ago.

[Spy Bee]

35 minutes ago, Stront19m Dog™ said:

Quoted from elsewhere:

 

"Since local lockdowns were introduced these are the changes in infection rates per 100,000 that have taken place:

Wigan: from 6 to 225
Rossendale: from 10 to 229
Burnley: from 21 to 434
Manchester: from 36 to 552
Hyndburn: from 19 to 275
Bury: from 20 to 266
Bolton: from 20 to 255
Salford: from 26 to 286
Rochdale: from 31 to 298
Tameside: from 26 to 219
Preston: from 41 to 312
Stockport: from 28 to 193
Pendle: from 46 to 307
Trafford: from 35 to 223
Kirklees: from 29 to 169
Bradford: from 54 to 258
Oldham: from 61 to 253
Oadby & Wigston: from 37 to 128
Calderdale: from 40 to 141
Blackburn with Darwen: from 79 to 218"

Therefor lockdowns must cause spread.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Spy Bee said:

Therefor lockdowns must cause spread.

Hahahahaha you're just trolling now. Put a mask on you fart. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

1 hour ago, Stront19m Dog™ said:

 

It's a crying shame when people have to misrepresent what others have said.

 

Sweden's economy will suffer because of what is happening in other countries, because exports make up something like half of their GDP and are the main driver behind economic growth.

Surely the sizeable reduction in the amount of people using transport, bars, gyms and restaurants etc in Sweden would play a part too? 

 

As would the study of the banking system in Sweden which showed that, on average, people were spending 25% less after the outbreak of the virus than they were pre-virus? 

 

The implication that it's business as usual in Sweden isn't really accurate and never has been. 

[Strontium]

2 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Surely the sizeable reduction in the amount of people using transport, bars, gyms and restaurants etc in Sweden would play a part too? 

 

As would the study of the banking system in Sweden which showed that, on average, people were spending 25% less after the outbreak of the virus than they were pre-virus? 

 

The implication that it's business as usual in Sweden isn't really accurate and never has been. 

 

There's no getting away from the fact that everywhere is going to suffer economically because of the virus.

 

I don't think anyone ever claimed it was business as usual, however throughout the crisis life in Sweden has been closer to normal than anywhere else in Europe, and the much vaunted predictions of doom just didn't materialise.

[Rico1304]

It’s still only a year old. 

[Bjornebye]

Why are we talking about Sweden when we cant talk about Japan? 

 

 

Oh yeah 

 

 

 

 

[Strontium]

We can talk about Japan as much as you like. Japanese etiquette is basically social distancing on steroids, which I'd wager is the biggest factor in limiting the spread there.

[TheHowieLama]

Untrue, I have seen some, erm, videos of the saunas there.

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, Stront19m Dog™ said:

We can talk about Japan as much as you like. Japanese etiquette is basically social distancing on steroids, which I'd wager is the biggest factor in limiting the spread there.

I've been to Japan. Spent 4 days in Tokyo and its not as you think (I'm sure you have too) 

 

I still say the masks and general obedience is the biggest factor. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Sugar Ape]

Great to have Harold Shipman back in the mix. 
 

https://news.sky.com/story/coronvairus-dr-johnny-bananas-and-dr-person-fakename-among-medical-signatories-on-herd-immunity-open-letter-12099947

 

Coronvirus: 'Dr Johnny Bananas' and 'Dr Person Fakename' among medical signatories on herd immunity open letter

 

Other listed supporters include Dr Harold Shipman and Dominic Cummings of "Durham Univercity".

 

A widely-circulated open letter calling on governments to pursue herd immunity is counting homeopaths, therapists and fake names among its "medical" signatories, leading to accusations that it falsely represents scientific support for the controversial position.

 

The Great Barrington Declaration, a letter organised by prominent advocates of herd immunity, claims to have been signed by more than 15,000 scientists and medical practitioners, as well as more than 150,000 members of the general public.

 

Yet Sky News found dozens of fake names on the list of medical signatories, which anyone can add to if they tick a box and enter a name. These included Dr. I.P. Freely, Dr. Person Fakename and Dr. Johnny Bananas, who listed himself as a "Dr of Hard Sums".

 

One medical professional on the list gives his name as Dr Harold Shipman, a general practitioner in the United Kingdom.

 

Other famous names included Dominic Cummings, who is described as "PhD Durham Univercity".

 

Sky News also found 18 self-declared homeopaths listed on the open letter as medical practitioners, despite the fact that homeopathy has no scientific underpinning or clinical evidence to support its use.

 

In addition, the letter has been signed by well over 100 therapists, including massage therapists, hypnotherapists, psychotherapists and one Mongolian Khöömii Singer who describes himself as a "therapeutic sound practitioner".

 

Public health experts accused the letter, which has been used as evidence for the idea of a rift in the scientific community, of misrepresenting the level of support for the controversial concept of herd immunity.

 

Professor Martin McKee, Professor of European Public Health at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said it reminded him of "the messaging used to undermine public health policies on harmful substances, such as tobacco".

 

As advocates of herd immunity have become more vocal, media reports have described scientists as "divided".

 

Yet although herd immunity has some prominent backers, and the Great Barrington Declaration has been signed by many respected scientists and medical professionals, the vast majority of specialists in the field reject the approach.

 

Professor McKee added: "Leaving aside the powerful arguments against this declaration on grounds of science and feasibility, we have consistent evidence that a clear majority of the British public support necessary measures to reduce the spread of the virus or would go even further.

 

"Yet the campaign behind this declaration promotes a completely different picture."

 

The letter, called the Great Barrington Declaration after the United States town where it was written, was initiated by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Jay Bhattacharya and Professor Sunetra Gupta.

 

It calls on governments to allow younger and less vulnerable people to catch coronavirus, thereby encouraging "herd immunity" among the population, while people who would be hit especially hard by the virus are given "focused protection".

 

Professor Bhattacharya, professor of medicine of Stanford University, told Sky News: "We do not have the resources to audit each signature, especially given the incredible interest that the Great Barrington Declaration has drawn. It is unfortunate that some people have abused our trust by adding false names, but I suppose it is inevitable.

 

"Still - given the volume of correspondence I have received from medical and public health professionals, as well as scientists and epidemiologists, it is clear that a very large number of experts resonate with the message of the declaration and its call for a focused protection policy."

[Mudface]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I've been to Japan. Spent 4 days in Tokyo and its not as you think (I'm sure you have too) 

 

I still say the masks and general obedience is the biggest factor. 

 

Those sparsely full trains too.

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Mudface said:

 

Those sparsely full trains too.

That picture isn't working for me but I'm sure its a solid demonstration of that spacious japanese culture. 

[Strontium]

Almost as if fleeting contact on public transport isn't a major mode of transmission.

[Sugar Ape]

9 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

That picture isn't working for me but I'm sure its a solid demonstration of that spacious japanese culture. 

It’s Octopus porn, mate. 

[Bjornebye]

Of course though if we are talking about distancing Sweden has a population of 58 people per square mile while the UK has 275.... But no that can't matter surely.