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Fucken.. talking to a GP on our street tonight. Job's fucked I reckon. He reckons there will be no vaccine (there are no covid vaccines - at all). Any 'vaccine' will only be treatments to alleviate or reduce symptoms. And even then only available to the most vulnerable/ likely to suffer acute symptoms. The medical community are flummoxed by it due to the variance of effects it has in conjunction with other infections. i.e: there's a near 100% mortality rate in covid patients with conjunctivitis.

 

It's not going away anytime soon - baring a miracle. Get used to social distancing for at least another year from now.

 

I don't mind saying, it's put me on a complete fucking bummer. The whole Cummings bollocks is very fucking small, small beer indeed. You'd even think it was all a smokescreen.

 

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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/28/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html

 

No one wants to see another horrific milestone like the one reached this week.  

 

The US death toll from coronavirus topped 100,000, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. That means an average of almost 900 Americans died each day since the first known coronavirus-related death almost four months ago.  While the number of new cases each day is slowly declining in parts of the US, the death toll keeps rising.

    But there are ways to help minimize future tragedies. People should socialize outdoors as much as possible and wear masks, scientists say.
     
    Coronavirus generally doesn't spread outdoors as easily as it does indoors. But there's still a risk with any cramped crowd -- especially because the virus can spread by just talking.
     
    So those socializing with friends outdoors should still stay at least 6 feet apart, said Erin Bromage, associate professor of biology at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth.
     
    "As long as you've got that 6 feet of distance and you've got the air blowing and you just are enjoying each other's company, then 6 feet is fine," Bromage said. "If you're exercising and huffing and puffing away from 6 feet, I would get a little further apart."
     
    And a growing chorus of doctors and researchers say wearing face coverings is critical to helping stop the spread of coronavirus -- especially because many carriers of the virus don't even know they're infected.
     
    "If you put a mask on when outside [while] spending an extended period of time with a friend or somebody, masks help," Bromage said.
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    A standard mask, the ones that we've been making, cut things down by 50%. I wear it to protect you, you wear it to protect me," he said.
     
    "But now we're getting better masks coming out from just local manufacturers that catch more of those respiratory emissions, which then lowers the amount of virus in the air, which just makes it safer."
     
    If you're interacting with someone who's more vulnerable to severe complications from Covid-19, Bromage advises having "a better quality mask on both you and them."
     

    6 feet of distance may not be enough, experts warn

    For months, health officials have urged people to stay 6 feet apart to slow its spread through respiratory droplets. But three experts are now warning that 6 feet may not be enough.
     
    In a commentary published in the journal Science, the experts highlighted the importance of masks and regular, widespread testing.
     
    They pointed to places such as Singapore, Hong Kong and Taiwan, where mask wearing is universal and the virus has been controlled.
     
    "Evidence suggests that [the novel coronavirus] is silently spreading in aerosols exhaled by highly contagious infected individuals with no symptoms," wrote Chia Wang of National Sun Yat-sen University in Taiwan, and Kimberly Prather and Dr. Robert Schooley of the University of California, San Diego.
     
    "Increasing evidence for [the coronavirus] suggests the six-foot WHO recommendation is likely not enough under many indoor conditions where aerosols can remain airborne for hours, accumulate over time and follow air flows over distances farther than six feet," they wrote.
     
    The three experts are specialists in chemistry and infectious diseases. They said aerosols from breathing and speaking can accumulate and remain infectious in indoor air for hours, and can be easily inhaled into the lungs.
     
    That makes wearing masks all the more essential, they said, even when people are keeping their distance.
     
    The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has said respiratory droplets produced when a person coughs or sneezes "can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs."
     
    Transmission is more likely when people are in close contact with one another, or "within about 6 feet," the CDC said.
     
    While health officials have focused on those three droplets, the three experts said "a large proportion" of the spread of coronavirus disease appears to be occurring through airborne transmission of aerosols produced by asymptomatic people during breathing and speaking.
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    I'm in a couple of fitness/training Facebook groups which are predominantly American. It's quite alarming the high number of them who think it's all some kind of communist plot / democratic overreaction / snowflake over- exaggeration. There is a real culture of "I'll do what I want, when I want with who I want" and the lockdown has not gone down well at all. 

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    8 hours ago, cochyn said:

    Fucken.. talking to a GP on our street tonight. Job's fucked I reckon. He reckons there will be no vaccine (there are no covid vaccines - at all). Any 'vaccine' will only be treatments to alleviate or reduce symptoms. And even then only available to the most vulnerable/ likely to suffer acute symptoms. The medical community are flummoxed by it due to the variance of effects it has in conjunction with other infections. i.e: there's a near 100% mortality rate in covid patients with conjunctivitis.

     

    It's not going away anytime soon - baring a miracle. Get used to social distancing for at least another year from now.

     

    I don't mind saying, it's put me on a complete fucking bummer. The whole Cummings bollocks is very fucking small, small beer indeed. You'd even think it was all a smokescreen.

     

    Well the Chinese are now saying it didn't come from the Wuhan market. However it also definitely didn't come from the nearby virology lab which was studying three other bat Coronavirus strains. 

     

    Call me crazy but personally I'm not totally convinced yet. 

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    So that’s schools in France and Soul who’ve had to close again due to a spike, but no, let’s carry on with the completely unnecessary and pointless task of dragging kids back in for four weeks instead of looking to how we can prepare to start next term with as much safeguards as possible.

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    20 hours ago, aRdja said:

    Come on @Spy Bee we need cheering up here. Where have you gone?!

    Well, I am not trying to underplay the individual tragedy of every single death, but if you want to track the virus, I think the best thing to look at now is the number of infections. Some of the deaths yesterday actually occured in April, and obviously there is always a lag from infection to death.

     

    Infections seem to have fallen off a cliff in Wales. On a 7 day rolling average there were 125 daily infections, but yesterday there were only 75 and that isn't an anomaly, the trend matches that. What I can't find out is if there has been a sudden drop off in testing. If not, infection rates have dropped hugely. Within these numbers, I know a local nursing home had 25 confirmed cases out of 31 too & they have block tested other nursing homes.

     

    Now the bank holidays have gone we will have a bit more consistency to reporting. The next couple of weeks will really show us how much progress if being made.

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    2 hours ago, johnsusername said:

    Yeah just read about Seoul. Quite worrying. 

    If the virus isn't burning out and there is no vaccine or herd immunity, then this will become quite standard. There will be regional spikes, but we can't all just stay in our houses forever.

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    16 minutes ago, Mudface said:

     

    Looks promising, especially if the 50% pre-existing immunity through T-cells holds throughout a population.

    Yeah the t cell thing is fascinating. I don't even pretend to understand it but they're the other means by which we attack viruses other than antibodies aren't they? Which could explain why antibody testing is a dud, we're deploying the army and not the marines. Boo-yah.

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    The Seoul thing sounds like it's been kicked off by night clubs reopening which, in all honesty, should be the last thing you reopen during a pandemic.

     

    Close quarters - check.

    Bodily fluids - check 

    Young, possible asymptomatic carriers- check 

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    Just went shopping and was listening to the radio on the way back. Theme Parks, Safari Parks/Zoos all open again over here. Certain shows are not open and apparently they are dealing with social distancing, wearing of masks etc. No matter how much effort they put in you can guarantee a load of people won't give a fuck as they fight to get on the rides and get their moneys worth. Also a bank Holiday on Monday, I can't see this being a good idea and at the end of the day it's all about the money. At least they are being sensible on the School front, at least for now. 

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    21 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

    The Seoul thing sounds like it's been kicked off by night clubs reopening which, in all honesty, should be the last thing you reopen during a pandemic.

     

    Close quarters - check.

    Bodily fluids - check 

    Young, possible asymptomatic carriers- check 

     

    But will they be dancing around their handbags? 

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    11 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

    If the virus isn't burning out and there is no vaccine or herd immunity, then this will become quite standard. There will be regional spikes, but we can't all just stay in our houses forever.

    Why do you think it's burning out? It's nonsense. While the R rate is below 1, the infection numbers will fall and fall till it's gone, a continuous R rate below 1 will eliminate a virus. We've achieved this so far by mostly staying at home and that's now coming to an end. As soon as we're all in contact again, the R rate will go up and if we can't keep it below 1, infections will go up. The test and trace the UK government have put in place in England is below the standard they themselves said was required to keep the R rate down. In Wales your lockdown has continued longer than ours, so it's to be expected your infection rates are pushing the virus out of the community. Bad luck for you, you live next to England where we're not trying to eliminate the virus.

     

    It's not burning out, infection rates are down as controls to push the R rate under 1 have achieved their goal. Because we were so fucked, we've had to use a sledgehammer solution, but it's worked. We're now attempting at relaxing those controls with questionable solutions to replace them. Everything that's happened to this point is entirely predictable. It's not burn out, just contagion control. 

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    I watched bbc question time and realised I've been worrying for nothing, not when we've got talent like this in charge 

     

     

     

     

     

    Thank fyck we got brain box above, could've been worse, could've had Corbyn

     

     

     

     

     

    Nice t shirt.

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    Amazing how all those who voted for Brexit and banging on about none elected ministers are backing that cunt Cummings, the fucking irony eh. 

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    6 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

    Why do you think it's burning out? It's nonsense. While the R rate is below 1, the infection numbers will fall and fall till it's gone, a continuous R rate below 1 will eliminate a virus. We've achieved this so far by mostly staying at home and that's now coming to an end. As soon as we're all in contact again, the R rate will go up and if we can't keep it below 1, infections will go up. The test and trace the UK government have put in place in England is below the standard they themselves said was required to keep the R rate down. In Wales your lockdown has continued longer than ours, so it's to be expected your infection rates are pushing the virus out of the community. Bad luck for you, you live next to England where we're not trying to eliminate the virus.

     

    It's not burning out, infection rates are down as controls to push the R rate under 1 have achieved their goal. Because we were so fucked, we've had to use a sledgehammer solution, but it's worked. We're now attempting at relaxing those controls with questionable solutions to replace them. Everything that's happened to this point is entirely predictable. It's not burn out, just contagion control. 

    A couple of reasons really...

    • Modelling shows that London had reached peak before lockdown.
    • Areas where the infection has been prevalent for a while infection rates are dropping regardless of the status of lockdown (still in lockdown, reduced lockdown, never had lockdown).
    • Stronts posted a study showing the path of Covid-19 almost exactly following that of SARS
    • While in lockdown some regions have seen infections grow.

    I am not saying it is definitely happening, but just social distancing and lockdown wouldn't explain the numbers.

     

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