Coronavirus

[Manny]

7 minutes ago, M_B said:

Government is set to extend the lockdown today for "3 more weeks" according to the Independent.

 

Which somewhat coincidentally means the rules would be relaxed on Friday May 8th, which just happens to be VE Bank Holiday Friday. V for coronavirus victory. PM doing a Churchill impression. Everyone will be allowed social distanced street parties.

 

It's going to happen isn't it.

The narrative today is all heroic Tory MPs pushing back on the clamour to open up the country again, because they care deeply about lives. HOW DARE YOU ASK ABOUT EXIT STRATEGIES YOU INSENSITIVE UNCARING PRICK STARMER. The People's Tory Party will not even entertain such thoughts, and will only think about locking down to save lives.

[Anubis]

My favourite Michigan protest photo.

 

[Creator Supreme]

I don't wish to take the mick out of these people but I think the following may be true:

 

* Many of them will be called Cletus! And that's just the women!

* Many of their parents will be brother and sister.

Many of them will be married to their brother or sister.

* None of them took to good to book learnin'.

* They all wash themselves with a rag on a stick.

[Duff Man]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

To be fair though he's looking at it in an (understandably) narrow view, he's looking at efforts to prevent Coronavrius deaths. 

 

There will be behavioural scientists behind the scenes who look at how you go about basically imprisoning an entire population, how you bring people onboard with it, how long is too long before people lose their shit. 

 

Everything we're doing now, from the stuff on the news to the general themes of 'keep calm and carry on', 'we need to stick together' 'it's dangerous out there' 'people who break lockdown are dangerous twats' are probably all part of that effort.

 

You also have to think about the wider health picture. How many people have died through fear of going to hospital, how many people have killed themselves (huge amount I suspect, business owners among them) then there's the economic impact. You see people saying occasionally flippant stuff about placing money above lives, but it's all very well saying let's stay in until we find a vaccine (oddly it seems to be taken as read that we WILL find one), but what will we emerge to? Mad Max?

 

People can say we have to shield the NHS but you have to fund it too.

 

This is one of the many things the media is doing inappropriately and cynically, just posting selfie videos of various people who've got an (often legitimate) gripe with their own specific work circumstances, which people then share and talk about how outrageous it is. But the pressures and challenges of working in A&E, and preventing a civilisation from collapsing, are pretty different.

The government's own assessment, on 6th March, was that potential compliance with social distancing measures was "likely high", and 65% of the population expected containment of the virus to "take months". They definitely could, and should, have introduced restrictions earlier.

[Bobby Hundreds]

Many of them cling to this idealistic notion of freedom but can't quit a job they hate or is killing them because of the medical care package that comes with it or they do well in life and buy nice things but then have a heart attack and have to sell everything. They preach small government but then applaud measures that give them authoritarian powers as long as it's named patriot, freedom, liberty, machine bazooka death gun act. I think we are all fucking bamboozled, ill believe things that when pointed out to me ill see they contradict but i will change my mind but those gun toting fuckers they just stand out even more so and double down. We've got them too they just haven't got a constitution or forefathers to cling too, they just cling to WW2 and bulldogs.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

I've just seen a claim that the Care badge isn't free, must be purchased at a cost of £1.20 per badge and they can only be ordered at a minimum of 100 per order. 

 

That surely can't be true? 

[Section_31]

2 minutes ago, Duff Man said:

The government's own assessment, on 6th March, was that potential compliance with social distancing measures was "likely high", and 65% of the population expected containment of the virus to "take months". They definitely could, and should, have introduced restrictions earlier.

Maybe, can only guess, but I suppose what I'm saying is it's not that simple to shut down an entire society without understanding what all the ramifications are. 

 

Locking Britain down was probably helped by the fact it had already been imposed elsewhere so was already becoming the norm. I was still working then and doing normal stuff, going to Costa for a coffee and stuff in my lunch break and there was a definite air that something similar to Italy and Spain was coming, an air of inevitability. Their efforts to lock down were probably helped by the fact they had much higher death rates at that time, which then became the narrative here 'two weeks behind Italy'.

 

But what people will say, and what they will actually do/can cope with are two different things. I'm only speaking anecdotally but around ours has been much busier lately, many more people out and about (behaving, social distancing) but definitely more out, the roads are busy too - fuck knows where everyone is going. 

 

Everything is a careful balancing act. There's a lot of people out there pushing agendas at the moment, some innocently because they're understandably just scared, some political, some just chasing news coverage. You might get a doctor on saying how bad his A&E is, then Piers Morgan 'interviews ' him (in the loosest sense of the word) people share the story on social media and all of a sudden everyone is a public health expert. But what other factors would have/or have come into play during all this? How long before people riot? Top themselves en mass? Too many companies go bust to the point the economy can't be salvaged? Have the doctor/Piers Morgan/Jen from Facebook got a take on that?

 

[cloggypop]

3 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Many of them cling to this idealistic notion of freedom but can't quit a job they hate or is killing them because of the medical care package that comes with it or they do well in life and buy nice things but then have a heart attack and have to sell everything. They preach small government but then applaud measures that give them authoritarian powers as long as it's named patriot, freedom, liberty, machine bazooka death gun act. I think we are all fucking bamboozled, ill believe things that when pointed out to me ill see they contradict but i will change my mind but those gun toting fuckers they just stand out even more so and double down. We've got them too they just haven't got a constitution or forefathers to cling too, they just cling to WW2 and bulldogs.

At least some of them are wearing masks. 

[Bjornebye]

 

 

 

 

 

[1892-LFCWasBorn]

Dr Simon Clarke (microbiologist at Reading University) just said on Sky News that all this talk of a vaccine being ready this year is utter bollocks.

 

Summer 2021 at the very earliest and 'that's with a big slice of luck'.

[Pureblood]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

How long before people riot? Top themselves en mass? Too many companies go bust to the point the economy can't be salvaged? Have the doctor/Piers Morgan/Jen from Facebook got a take on that?

 

Is the econermy ok hun xx

[Section_31]

13 minutes ago, TK421 said:

Is the econermy ok hun xx

Inbox me. 

[JohnnyH]

30 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

 

 

 

 

 

It’s shameful that proper journalists are so weak in their questions during the press conferences that they’ve allowed a self-promoting, Trump-rimming prick like Piers Morgan to look good. 

[RobbieOR]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

Maybe, can only guess, but I suppose what I'm saying is it's not that simple to shut down an entire society without understanding what all the ramifications are. 

 

Locking Britain down was probably helped by the fact it had already been imposed elsewhere so was already becoming the norm. I was still working then and doing normal stuff, going to Costa for a coffee and stuff in my lunch break and there was a definite air that something similar to Italy and Spain was coming, an air of inevitability. Their efforts to lock down were probably helped by the fact they had much higher death rates at that time, which then became the narrative here 'two weeks behind Italy'.

 

But what people will say, and what they will actually do/can cope with are two different things. I'm only speaking anecdotally but around ours has been much busier lately, many more people out and about (behaving, social distancing) but definitely more out, the roads are busy too - fuck knows where everyone is going. 

 

Everything is a careful balancing act. There's a lot of people out there pushing agendas at the moment, some innocently because they're understandably just scared, some political, some just chasing news coverage. You might get a doctor on saying how bad his A&E is, then Piers Morgan 'interviews ' him (in the loosest sense of the word) people share the story on social media and all of a sudden everyone is a public health expert. But what other factors would have/or have come into play during all this? How long before people riot? Top themselves en mass? Too many companies go bust to the point the economy can't be salvaged? Have the doctor/Piers Morgan/Jen from Facebook got a take on that?

 

 

It's the same here. Can already notice a lot more people out and to be fair, people are behaving but it will get to a certain point where nobody will take it seriously anymore. 

 

The mental health downsides to these things are overlooked too. No work, no recreation, not seeing family, people will suffer. 

 

 

[Section_31]

3 minutes ago, RobbieOR said:

 

It's the same here. Can already notice a lot more people out and to be fair, people are behaving but it will get to a certain point where nobody will take it seriously anymore. 

 

The mental health downsides to these things are overlooked too. No work, no recreation, not seeing family, people will suffer. 

 

The mental health impact of this could arguably kill more than the virus IMO, its impact will be felt for years.

[Davelfc]

39 minutes ago, 1892-LFCWasBorn said:

Dr Simon Clarke (microbiologist at Reading University) just said on Sky News that all this talk of a vaccine being ready this year is utter bollocks.

 

Summer 2021 at the very earliest and 'that's with a big slice of luck'.

Infectious disease specialist Michael Osterholm likened it to planting crops, you can't speed it up. There are no safe shortcuts, our only hope for now are antivirals and currently approved drugs that can lessen the effects. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Our daughter is doing her internship in Psychology at a clinic near her Uni where she is more or less finished with her masters. She obviously can't go into patients details but she has said they are inundated with new cases and just haven't got the capacity to take them all on, it is much the same across the board as these clinics/practises work together a lot of the time. Most of the new cases are either down to home violence or people just not coping with being cut off from their normal lifelines which help them struggle through their issues. 

[1892-LFCWasBorn]

 

Mental this.

[SasaS]

1 minute ago, 1892-LFCWasBorn said:

 

Mental this.

Yes, incredible.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Has anyone noticed that during the day you hardly ever see a plane in the skies yet late at night they magically appear? 

[Pureblood]

Prof Neil Ferguson all over the news this morning and a bit of a rift developing between him and Matt Hancock with Hancock saying "the scientists can say what they like".  Ferguson was critical of the government for having no exit strategy.  Bit of a blame game going on.  

 

Neil Ferguson is now urging the government to return to a containment strategy of test and trace, similar to South Korea.  Which is odd, because Ferguson was instrumental in shaping the government's strategy of going straight to mitigation.  

 

They're all hypocrites and liars.  They all need to fuck off.  A new cross party government should be formed as the current mob are dysfunctional and not fit for purpose.  

[Pureblood]

Complete pandemonium in the care sector.  Matt Hancock has to go, he is well out of his depth. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/16/social-care-an-afterthought-in-uk-coronavirus-response-says-leaked-letter

[TheHowieLama]

1 hour ago, cloggypop said:

At least some of them are wearing masks. 

Those are beards Clog

[Davelfc]

13 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

Has anyone noticed that during the day you hardly ever see a plane in the skies yet late at night they magically appear? 

It's the same with stars, chemtrails undoubtedly. 

[Duff Man]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

Maybe, can only guess, but I suppose what I'm saying is it's not that simple to shut down an entire society without understanding what all the ramifications are. 

 

Locking Britain down was probably helped by the fact it had already been imposed elsewhere so was already becoming the norm. I was still working then and doing normal stuff, going to Costa for a coffee and stuff in my lunch break and there was a definite air that something similar to Italy and Spain was coming, an air of inevitability. Their efforts to lock down were probably helped by the fact they had much higher death rates at that time, which then became the narrative here 'two weeks behind Italy'.

 

But what people will say, and what they will actually do/can cope with are two different things. I'm only speaking anecdotally but around ours has been much busier lately, many more people out and about (behaving, social distancing) but definitely more out, the roads are busy too - fuck knows where everyone is going. 

 

Everything is a careful balancing act. There's a lot of people out there pushing agendas at the moment, some innocently because they're understandably just scared, some political, some just chasing news coverage. You might get a doctor on saying how bad his A&E is, then Piers Morgan 'interviews ' him (in the loosest sense of the word) people share the story on social media and all of a sudden everyone is a public health expert. But what other factors would have/or have come into play during all this? How long before people riot? Top themselves en mass? Too many companies go bust to the point the economy can't be salvaged? Have the doctor/Piers Morgan/Jen from Facebook got a take on that?

 

The Reuters and Byline times articles both indicate that that was a key factor in "opening up the policy space" for tighter restrictions. But again, all evidence, including the analysis of the government's own behavioral scientists, suggests the public would have been receptive to an earlier lock-down, anyway, and when all this is said and done that period of inaction will most likely prove to have been fairly consequential.