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8 minutes ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

I'm confused by the no symptoms thing. If you have no symptoms, you don't develop any but you have Coronavirus, isn't it the same as not having Coronavirus? 

No it's called Asymptomatic, you're effectively a carrier. They discovered that those with little to no symptoms still passed on the full virus to others.

 

(See typhoid Mary)

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4 minutes ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

I'm confused by the no symptoms thing. If you have no symptoms, you don't develop any but you have Coronavirus, isn't it the same as not having Coronavirus? 

You can carry the virus and spread it without ever showing symptoms. They're not sure but it could be up to 20% of cases. I think as they've collected data that figure has fallen quite a bit.

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4 minutes ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

I'm confused by the no symptoms thing. If you have no symptoms, you don't develop any but you have Coronavirus, isn't it the same as not having Coronavirus? 

A symptom is just the physical manifestation of an underlying issue.  You can still have the underlying issue without a symptom to know you have it.  

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9 minutes ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

I'm confused by the no symptoms thing. If you have no symptoms, you don't develop any but you have Coronavirus, isn't it the same as not having Coronavirus? 

They say it takes about 5 days to develop symptoms. So that's the asymptomatic period. But almost everyone who have it eventually develop symptoms.

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In China they reckon it is a very small percentage of people that were truly asymptomatic. Most people they believed were asymptomatic did eventually start showing symptoms. 
 

The issue is that it can take 5-14 days after you become infected for the symptoms to show and the data seems to show that a lot of these people are capable of spreading it before they feel ill themselves.
 

A study in Germany the other day found that you can test positive for three weeks after symptoms start but within eight days of symptoms starting you seem incapable of infecting other people which is good news but more work needs to be done to see exactly how long people are infectious for. 

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Australia’s chief medical officer Dr Brendan Murphy said one of the surprising features about coronavirus was how few children seemed to have been identified among the confirmed cases.

“It’s very unusual compared to influenza,” he said.

“We don’t know whether children might be getting the disease but (their symptoms) are so mild they are not being picked up, or they’re not becoming sick, or whether they are somehow less susceptible.”

 

So far, out of the more than 87,000 confirmed coronavirus cases worldwide, no children have been reported as having serious complications. Limited reports of children with COVID-19 in China have described cold-like symptoms, such as fever, a runny nose and cough.

“In adults, they are reacting quite violently because perhaps they have seen a previous coronavirus infection and that’s set up the immune system to react inappropriately and excessively,” Professor Robert Booy from the National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance told the ABC.

According to data from the Chinese Centre for Disease Control (CCDC), there is a “zero mortality rate” for humans under the age of nine. Meanwhile, adults over the age of 80 have a 14.8 per cent chance of dying if they contract the virus.

 

According to professor of epidemiology and paediatrics at the University of North Carolina, David Weber, there are two possible explanations for why so few children have gotten sick: they have either been less likely to be exposed in the first place, or there’s something different about how their bodies respond to the virus.

“My guess is the lack of children being reported is because of the way the outbreak started,” Prof Weber told Business Insider.

“There aren’t many children going to the fish market.”

Professor Lipsitch said that one of the most important unanswered questions regarding the COVID-19 outbreak was what role kids played in the virus’ transmission.

“We need detailed studies in the households of children who are exposed to an infected person,” he said. “We need to find out if their children get infected, if they shed the virus, and if that virus is infectious.”

 

Prof Lipsitch said even in China’s Hubei province, where the outbreak began two months ago, children were still “under-represented” in those infected with the disease.

“That would suggest that part of the equation is that they are getting infected but they’re not sick,” he said.

“But we don’t know whether they’re infected or not as sick or whether there are a lot of kids that aren’t getting infected even when they’re exposed.”

In terms of avoiding infection, kids should engage in the same preventive action as adults, including cleaning hands using soap and water or alcohol-based sanitiser, avoiding people who are sick, and staying up to date on vaccinations.

“If we can protect kids – one, it’s good for them, but two, it’s good for the population,” epidemiologist and professor of paediatrics at Johns Hopkins University, Aaron Milstone, said.

 

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/why-children-arent-getting-sick-from-coronavirus/news-story/9a40bc00c6087ea5926254d551162d61

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Also, I posted this article a while ago with the leader of the WHO team who handled the outbreak in China. It dispels some of the myths around the disease, mainly that there are loads of people infected we never get to know about which would bring the mortality rate down. 
 

They tested 320,000 people in a fever clinic during the outbreak and virtually no one had the disease. 
 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/health/coronavirus-china-aylward.amp.html?0p19G=2870

 

 

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Orbán has declared a state of emergency for Hungary giving his govt special powers to ban certain flights & people travelling from certain countries, re-introduce checks on Schenghen borders with Slovakia & Austria, ban meetings of 100 people indoors/500 people outdoors, closing the universities except for remote lessons and recommending home working where it can be implemented. There’s a fair chance I’m going to go a bit stir crazy over the next few months

 

There are only 13 cases so far and no deaths but it seems like they think the best action plan is to try to get in front of it rather than wait for the containment phase to fail

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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-ireland-records-first-death-in-patient-with-covid-19-1.4199223?mode=amp

 

Ireland has recorded its first death from coronavirus.

 

The patient died earlier on Wednesday in a hospital in the east of the country, where they were being trated in recent days.

It is understood the patient initally presented with respiratory symptoms and was later diagnosed with the disease when staff decided to perform a test.

The criteria for testing patients has been broadened this week to include those patients who have clinical respiratory symptoms but no history of travel to affected areas internationally. This is in recognition that the disease may be ciculating in the community.

The patient is understood to be elderly.

 

The first Covid-19 cases was recorded in the Republic on February 29th and there are now a total of 34 confirmed cases. Two of these were acquired in the community and are being investigated.

A further update on this death, and the latest number of cases, will be given by the National Public Health Emergency Teams at its daily briefing this evening.

Earlier on Wednesday a leading World Health Organisation (WHO) official expressed concern about the attitude of young people to the coronavirus.

 

Dr Margaret Anne Harris also advised the organisers of major events to take all precautions to protect people from the virus, also known as Covid-19.

Dr Harris said she had heard “some concerning things” about the attitude of young people who seemed to think that the virus “will just hit old people.” She pointed out that in Italy young people are getting ill.

“I don’t think it is just age related. This is something that we all have to take seriously,” she told RTÉ Radio’s Today with Séan O’Rourke show.

Asked about the wisdom of the Cheltenham racing festival being allowed to go ahead, Dr Harris replied: “We are saying to organisations ‘you do the risk assessment.’ They must take all the precautions necessary to protect people.”

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1 hour ago, Philtrum said:

A hell of a lot of people with it have no symptoms but can infect others. So yes, more widespread testing should impact the numbers. But likewise should also help to contain some of the spread, probably too little too late.  

Funny, but the guidelines issued to care agencies/homes is as follows:

 

Specific actions for social and community care staff visiting people at home or providing care to residents 
 
People returning from some areas of the world are being told to self-isolate depending on the location they have visited and their symptoms. People who have been in close contact with a confirmed case of COVID-19 are also being advised by their local Health Protection Team to self-isolate.  
People who are self-isolating and have no symptoms do not pose a risk to others. They are self-isolating to allow closer monitoring in order to identify early symptoms, and to enable prompt medical action if required.  
 
Social, community and residential care staff should ensure that arrangements are in place to be told if a person is in self-isolation and if they are asymptomatic or symptomatic. If they are self -isolating and a visit is deemed necessary and the person is asymptomatic, then a full risk assessment should be undertaken with managers and infection control specialist to decide the best course of action. 
 
If during a telephone consultation with a person or their representative to assess their suitability for a domiciliary visit, it is thought that COVID-19 is possible, then a face-to-face assessment must be avoided. Instead, call 111 Wales and arrange for a clinical assessment to be made before proceeding. 
 

If the person is asymptomatic 
 
As the person is asymptomatic there is no need to change your approach. 
 
 

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Love this: 

UK to increase its testing capacity for coronavirus to 10,000 tests a day

The United Kingdom's National Health Service has announced that it is scaling up its capacity to test people for the new coronavirus infection, according to a report by BBC.

The increased capacity means that 10,000 tests a day can be done — 8,000 more than the 1,500 being carried out currently.

Confirmation of any positive test results will also be accelerated, helping people take the right action to recover or quickly get treatment.

 

The person who wrote the article obviously majored in English not Maths!

 

Anyway, with this in mind, I am going for 179 tomorrow.

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Let's be honest, this is a Govt's/Big business's wet dream. All those affected due to losing money will have to be reimbursed some how, insurance or Gov't hand outs. That money will inevitably be paid for by us in the end, prices for essentials/small luxuries will go up to offset the losses. Then when everything is back to normal most of the cunts will just leave the higher prices in place like the fuckers always do. 

Just been to the MIL's as once again she fucked her TV programmes up, so I had to do a new search then do her favourite lists etc, thank fuck for USB back ups to save time with that. Small talk obviously involved the current situation with the Corona virus, she's flapping big style being as she's 76. Banging on about doing a massive shop so she has food etc for a month, hahahaha. Told her that I can do a weekly shop whenever she wants and to stop listening to her mates/media shit fest. 

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Serious question... those who say that some are overreacting; why do you think this is the case? There is a serious and fairly imminent risk to those over the age of 60 with underlying conditions. For me that is two parents and one of my missus' parents, not to mention a good few friends.

 

24% of people who are infected in Italy have needed to be hospitalised. The mortality rate was about 6.5% last time I looked at their stats. This is some pretty serious shit!

 

At what stage are people allowed to start worrying about this?

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2 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

Serious question... those who say that some are overreacting; why do you think this is the case? There is a serious and fairly imminent risk to those over the age of 60 with underlying conditions. For me that is two parents and one of my missus' parents, not to mention a good few friends.

 

24% of people who are infected in Italy have needed to be hospitalised. The mortality rate was about 6.5% last time I looked at their stats. This is some pretty serious shit!

 

At what stage are people allowed to start worrying about this?

 

You can over worry mate. Just use common sense to reduce the risk of putting yourself in a situation you can get it, up your self cleanliness etc. Avoid public transport if you can, especially if you are in one of the high risk groups from dying due to it. Get a younger family member to do the shopping and so on. If you are going to get it despite taking extra measures then it really is just a case of not really being able to prevent it. At 56 this year I suppose I'm in one of those risk groups, but I have a pretty strong immune system so I'm pretty relaxed about it all, not to say I'm not taking measures to avoid certain situations. 

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