Coronavirus

[Rico1304]

8 minutes ago, aRdja said:

This would be considered acceptable collateral damage for the better of the community or not, if we were doing this herd immunity thing?

Nice people. 

[aRdja]

2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Nice people. 

Maybe, I don’t know them personally. Doubt you do.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

21 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Johnson’s missus has the symptoms now.  Are we hoping her or her kid dies? 

Negged for no both option. 

[Mudface]

21 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Johnson’s missus has the symptoms now.  Are we hoping her or her kid dies? 

Come on now, that's a fucking awful thing to say.

[Rico1304]

14 minutes ago, Mudface said:

Come on now, that's a fucking awful thing to say.

In what way? I don’t think I’ve celebrated anyone getting it, or hoping they’d die but plenty have.  Pens on the way!!!

[Rico1304]

17 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Negged for no both option. 

True to form. 
 

consistency is key. 

[TheHowieLama]

Wipe that shit down thoroughly @Mudface

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

True to form. 
 

consistency is key. 

I haven't said I want any of them dead. 

 

But, if you're going to ask such a cunty question, at least give everyone the full range of options. 

 

 

[Mudface]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

In what way? I don’t think I’ve celebrated anyone getting it, or hoping they’d die but plenty have.  Pens on the way!!!

OK, I generally don't bother with Twitter unless something interesting gets linked on here. But people have actually been glad that whatshername and her unborn child have it? Do you have a link?

[Mudface]

4 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Wipe that shit down thoroughly @Mudface

Eh?

[TheHowieLama]

Just now, Mudface said:

Eh?

The pen fella, you have no idea where that has been.

[Mudface]

1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

The pen fella, you have no idea where that has been.

Heh, I must have missed the pen thing. Do we get a cheque book too?

[Mudface]

Remember how Brexit was supposed to free us from the 'tyranny' of the EU, allow us to boldly strike our own deals and act like the Victorian buccaneers our glorious country's wonderful foundations was built on?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/04/uk-risks-losing-offer-of-400000-covid-19-testing-kits-a-week

 

UK risks losing offer of 400,000 Covid-19 testing kits a week
Government has delayed order of South Korean kits as they have not been tested, it is claimed


The government risks losing an offer from South Korea of 400,000 coronavirus test kits a week to a rival country because they have not yet been tested by Public Health England, it has been claimed.

A shareholder in the South Korean LG conglomerate has sourced the kits from five companies in the country and has offered them to the UK through a contact who was the former deputy leader of the Conservative party in Westminster council.

Nick Markham says he has been in touch with the government, but they are dragging their heels and insisting they won’t make a decision until the kits are tested.

He says the production facilities and kits already manufactured are in huge demand, and countries including Ukraine and Romania have already sent military planes out to snap up the supplies.


“It is like the wild west out there. Even Morocco has sent a plane but we can’t get the government to make a commitment. The key thing is put an option on the production or we’re going to lose it,” he said.

Markham said he had been in touch with the health secretary, Matt Hancock, who passed the offer on to Lord Bethall, a junior minister who is heading up the procurement effort.

“I get that they want to test the kit, but everyone is hiding behind this ‘we can’t decide until it’s tested’, which is perfectly reasonable, but we will get gazumped,” said Markham.

He said JP Lee, the shareholder in LG Chemicals, was “an Anglophile” after spending time at the London School of Economics and wanted to help the UK.

“He told me that he doesn’t understand why Britain isn’t out here, that the rest of the world is,” said Markham.

Seoul’s fight against coronavirus has been lauded as one of the world’s most successful and more than 120 countries have sought its advice.

It took an aggressive approach to testing, and manufacturing of diagnostic kits has been increased to hundreds of thousands a day after approval was granted to export to the US. NHS Scotland has already decided to receive some equipment from South Korea.

Markham is the chair of London and Continental Railways, a property company owned by the government, but was previously a TV executive and part of the team that merged Granada and Carlton TV and launched Freeview.


He said he took on this role voluntarily because of his contacts in government and says he is “sympathetic” to the Department of Health, which has been overwhelmed with offers of help.

The kits could be available by the end of next week with production capacity rising to a million kits a week.

The 400,000 kits would cost $10m (£8.1m) but all JP Lee needs is for the government to take out an option on the supply.

“Then if the kits didn’t pass the PHE test, which they will, or if the government says it has already secured enough testing kits, then nothing comes of it, it’s a win-win situation,” he said.

Hancock announced two days ago that his goal was to increase the number of tests for NHS health workers to 100,000 a day by the end of April, but scientists said on Friday they were struggling to get the kits.

If the government already has the volume it needs, Markham will stand this effort down, but he is concerned that this is not the case and Britain could be losing a valuable opportunity in the fight against coronavirus.

Markham has teamed up with entrepreneur Steve Whatley, founder of the Inchora investment company that focuses on under-served communities, to develop what he called a “Operation Little Boat” drive to get hundreds of testing centres open by using volunteer staff not in the NHS with some clinical experience, such as dentists and optometrists.

Last week Sir Paul Nurse, the chair of the Francis Crick Institute, said a “Dunkirk spirit” approach was needed to meet the testing challenge.

The Department for Health has been approached for comment.

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, Mudface said:

Remember how Brexit was supposed to free us from the 'tyranny' of the EU, allow us to boldly strike our own deals and act like the Victorian buccaneers our glorious country's wonderful foundations was built on?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/04/uk-risks-losing-offer-of-400000-covid-19-testing-kits-a-week

 

 

Was just about to post some of that here, they're absolute fucking morons.

[Red Phoenix]

This is damning as well : Despite what Matt Hancock says, the government's policy is still herd immunity

 

And there's some surprising stuff here on masks which suggests that almost any type of mask will have an effect. @TK421 will probably like it : To help stop coronavirus, everyone should be wearing face masks. The science is clear

 

[Pureblood]

12 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

This is damning as well : Despite what Matt Hancock says, the government's policy is still herd immunity

 

And there's some surprising stuff here on masks which suggests that almost any type of mask will have an effect. @TK421 will probably like it : To help stop coronavirus, everyone should be wearing face masks. The science is clear

 

That Prof Neil Ferguson makes an appearance in the first article and it's not a glowing endorsement.

 

I posted the other one in the Facemask thread earlier, needless to say I agree with it.  Hoping that this WHO change in guidance will come soon.  A lot of countries with good mask policies now, the mask battle is nearly won except in Boris's backwards Britain.  

[aRdja]

27 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

This is damning as well : Despite what Matt Hancock says, the government's policy is still herd immunity

On 12 March, the chief scientific adviser, Patrick Vallance, and chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, announced that the UK had moved from containing the virus to delaying its spread. Their plan was to flatten the curve of the epidemic that would sweep through our population. They reassured us that herd immunity would kick in once 60% of the population had been infected. Social distancing and washing our hands would ease the pressure on health services, they said. Crucially, community testing and contract tracing would stop immediately. At that point, we were still four weeks behind Italy. The media felt safe, reassured by two eminent physicians.

The trouble is, those scientists were wrong. The maths wasn’t difficult: working off their figures, about 40 million people in the UK would be infected by coronavirus, and between 200,000 and 400,000 would eventually die. When the government’s mathematicians modelled figures from Italy and showed that 30% of people admitted to hospital ended up in intensive care, they warned the government that the NHS would be overwhelmed. The government backtracked within three days, and shifted to suppressing rather than mitigating the virus.

Eeeek... real damning.

[Mudface]

https://vimeo.com/401388996

 

This was linked to earlier in the thread- I can't find the post, but it really is worth watching. It's a New York doctor giving advice. Key points- wash/ sanitise your hands after touching anything; don't touch your face at all; wear a mask to stop you touching your face; distance yourself from other people; stop panicking, the virus is a pussy if you follow the rules.

 

It is 2 weeks old, but still it seems like a damn good guide to prevent infection. Of course, he might be dead by now...

[Mudface]

3 minutes ago, aRdja said:

On 12 March, the chief scientific adviser, Patrick Vallance, and chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, announced that the UK had moved from containing the virus to delaying its spread. Their plan was to flatten the curve of the epidemic that would sweep through our population. They reassured us that herd immunity would kick in once 60% of the population had been infected. Social distancing and washing our hands would ease the pressure on health services, they said. Crucially, community testing and contract tracing would stop immediately. At that point, we were still four weeks behind Italy. The media felt safe, reassured by two eminent physicians.

The trouble is, those scientists were wrong. The maths wasn’t difficult: working off their figures, about 40 million people in the UK would be infected by coronavirus, and between 200,000 and 400,000 would eventually die. When the government’s mathematicians modelled figures from Italy and showed that 30% of people admitted to hospital ended up in intensive care, they warned the government that the NHS would be overwhelmed. The government backtracked within three days, and shifted to suppressing rather than mitigating the virus.

Eeeek... real damning.

Oh, and the fella in the video in my last post thinks herd immunity is a stupid idea, pretty much like 99.9% of the rest of the rest of the world.

[Red Phoenix]

20 minutes ago, TK421 said:

That Prof Neil Ferguson makes an appearance in the first article and it's not a glowing endorsement.

 

I posted the other one in the Facemask thread earlier, needless to say I agree with it.  Hoping that this WHO change in guidance will come soon.  A lot of countries with good mask policies now, the mask battle is nearly won except in Boris's backwards Britain.  

 

Ah forgot the mask thread. And yeah it looks like people are going to have to do what they've done regularly here, and that's forcing the gov to act like they did with the lockdown and closing schools. It can be done with masks from enough people just ignoring the gov and so called experts and wearing masks anyway, and it can be done with community contact tracing hopefully as well if enough people get involved.

 

Then they can shove their fucking herd immunity.

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

9 hours ago, cochyn said:

If we put aside society for a moment. I think the government are in 'oh shit'! mode. The measures put in place are entirely reactionary and will I think ultimately fail to meet expectations. I really hope not.

 

As for the people - we're all naturally scared, fearful and now we have paranoia and isolationism to add to that. You can only counter the first two by stating the facts as they stand. The gov's nightly broadcasts are a fucking travesty - empty platitudes, waffle and little to no communication of reliable scientific evidence or discussion on the strategies available. They're rhetoricising (?) rather than adequately and responsibly informing us.

 

They're locking us up and treating us like imbeciles because  they think that will placate us. The media, I'm disappointed with like I never thought possible. 

The government may well be in oh shit mode, but the way they are dealing with it is typical. The drugs which are being trialled in treatment and appear to have an impact, are most successful at early onset, yet the general public are refused tests up to the point of advanced infection.

Johnson, Charlie Windsor etc test positive early and look to come through unscathed, why is that?

[TheHowieLama]

11 minutes ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

Johnson, Charlie Windsor etc test positive early and look to come through unscathed, why is that?

Different stock fella

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

7 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Different stock fella

More to it than that mate, has to be. Alf the big names who come out and say I’ve got it, Yet none of them have succumbed.

[Davelfc]

4 hours ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

The government may well be in oh shit mode, but the way they are dealing with it is typical. The drugs which are being trialled in treatment and appear to have an impact, are most successful at early onset, yet the general public are refused tests up to the point of advanced infection.

Johnson, Charlie Windsor etc test positive early and look to come through unscathed, why is that?

They don't have to phone 111, they will be given the best treatment and care. 

[Davelfc]

An anti-parasitic drug available throughout the world has been found to kill COVID-19 in the lab within 48 hours.

A Monash University-led study has shown a single dose of the drug Ivermectin could stop the SARS-CoV-2 virus growing in cell culture.

 

“We found that even a single dose could essentially remove all viral RNA (effectively removed all genetic material of the virus) by 48 hours and that even at 24 hours there was a really significant reduction in it,” Monash Biomedicine Discovery Institute’s Dr Kylie Wagstaff said on Friday.

While it’s not known how Ivermectin works on the virus, the drug likely stops the virus dampening the host cells’ ability to clear it.

 

The next step is for scientists to determine the correct human dosage, to make sure the level used in vitro is safe for humans.

Ivermectin is an FDA-approved anti-parasitic drug also shown to be effective in vitro against viruses including HIV, dengue and influenza.

 

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/anti-parasitic-drug-kills-covid-19-in-lab-c-955457?utm_campaign=share-icons&utm_source=twitter&utm_med