Coronavirus

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Belarus said:

There was a large group of scientists who opposed the boosters a few months ago from the WHO and FDA I think, saying they weren’t needed. Some even offered their resignations if I remember correctly? There’s also lots of scientists who question the practise of “rushing” a vaccine out. I was grateful it came quick as was hopeful it would get us back to normal, which it did for a while, but to say that no qualified people were against this vaccine isn’t correct at all.

I think the debate around boosters wasn't "are they needed" (they very, very obviously are) but whether we should prioritise boosting young & healthy people in the rich world over more vulnerable people in poorer countries. It's a valid debate, but it's wrong to characterise it as opposition to boosters.

 

Nothing in your post contradicts the four points in the post you're replying to.

[TheHowieLama]

On 23/11/2020 at 04:13, Bjornebye said:

Can you post a link to where you found that info ? 

 

On 23/11/2020 at 04:14, Spy Bee said:

Peston tweeted it

 

On 23/11/2020 at 04:27, Spy Bee said:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32466-1/fulltext

 

Also seems it was well tolerated by older adults.

 

* not sure if this link is correct. I've seen screen grabs posted by journalists.

 

This one defo contains that detail: https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-11-23-oxford-university-breakthrough-global-covid-19-vaccine

 

 

I just chose a random page and found what seems to be some MSM quotes from you pal.

 

Would you consider ITV or Oxford to be alternative?

 

 

[Spy Bee]

4 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

 

 

 

I just chose a random page and found what seems to be some MSM quotes from you pal.

 

Would you consider ITV or Oxford to be alternative?

 

 

Can you show me where I claimed not to consume any mainstream media?

[TheHowieLama]

2 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

Can you show me where I claimed not to consume any mainstream media?

Fair point - what "alternative" media should I be savvy enough to check out?

[Spy Bee]

2 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Fair point - what "alternative" media should I be savvy enough to check out?

I'm not hear to measure dicks mate. Happy New Year.

[TheHowieLama]

1 minute ago, Spy Bee said:

I'm not hear to measure dicks mate. Happy New Year.

Me neither - that is a different thread.

[SasaS]

Mainstream media does not exist as some ideologically uniform entity. 

[A Red]

59 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

It appears that there is little threat to the NHS, luckily due to the flu levels being so low. I understand that people who only consume fear-porn mainstream news might think this, but for those savvy enough to access alternative media, I don't understand the levels of worry. Sure, it needs to be closely monitored, but it looks like this is the middle of the end of the pandemic, and all we hear is booster propaganda which doesn't actually seem to offer much more protection from Omicron that the double vaccination does (via T-cells).

 

Any threat to the NHS would be more to do with the mnismanagement of the healthcare service for years, but I appreciate that this is a different argument. 

I'm sorry but this is bollocks. The threat to the NHS is still unknown and nothing to do with previous mismanagement, even if it had been fully funded and had 50k additional beds the risk of being overrun is still there. 

 

As for where you get your information from, I seem to remember you were positive that the Conwy tunnel was being prepared to store the dead bodies of covid victims. Some mate from the council told you and you were savvy enough to believe it and spread it on to this site.

[TD_LFC]

Sorry what...!

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, A Red said:

I'm sorry but this is bollocks. The threat to the NHS is still unknown and nothing to do with previous mismanagement, even if it had been fully funded and had 50k additional beds the risk of being overrun is still there. 

 

As for where you get your information from, I seem to remember you were positive that the Conwy tunnel was being prepared to store the dead bodies of covid victims. Some mate from the council told you and you were savvy enough to believe it and spread it on to this site.

Fucking hell.

[Boss]

3 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

Personally I think those comparisons would be ridiculous. 

 

Nobody is addicted to not taking a vaccine.

 

You shouldn't punish people for their beliefs, though. That's like forcing Muslims to eat pork or forcing Jehovah Witnesses to get blood transfusions. There has to be some respect for the individual's beliefs - whether it ultimately benefits them or not. Leaving the unvaccinated to die on gurney's - I'm sure, beyond the rhetoric - is not a society that you really want to live in. 

[TD_LFC]

1 minute ago, Boss said:

 

You shouldn't punish people for their beliefs, though. That's like forcing Muslims to eat pork or forcing Jehovah Witnesses to get blood transfusions. There has to be some respect for the individual's beliefs - whether it ultimately benefits them or not. Leaving the unvaccinated to die on gurney's - I'm sure, beyond the rhetoric - is not a society that you really want to live in. 

What about when those beliefs extend to the children of religious fucknuts?

[Tony Moanero]

1 minute ago, TD_LFC said:

What about when those beliefs extend to the children of religious fucknuts?

Negged.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 minutes ago, Boss said:

 

You shouldn't punish people for their beliefs, though. That's like forcing Muslims to eat pork or forcing Jehovah Witnesses to get blood transfusions. There has to be some respect for the individual's beliefs - whether it ultimately benefits them or not. Leaving the unvaccinated to die on gurney's - I'm sure, beyond the rhetoric - is not a society that you really want to live in. 

Interesting distinction here. I'd argue that refusing medical treatment to unvaccinated people would be punishing people for their beliefs; but (contrary to so much of the hysterical "we're bigger victims than the Nazi-era Jews" bullshit) restricting access to pubs, etc, to people who can demonstrate that they are likely to be Covid-negative isn't punishing anybody.

[TD_LFC]

6 minutes ago, Tony Moanero said:

Negged.

Devastated.

 

Not sure what you'd prefer people who refuse to treat their children and would watch them die 'cos it's what god woulda wanted' be called.

[Tony Moanero]

12 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

Devastated.

 

Not sure what you'd prefer people who refuse to treat their children and would watch them die 'cos it's what god woulda wanted' be called.

Give it a rest. I respect people’s religious beliefs, whether I agree with them or not.

[TD_LFC]

You do you.

 

I'll respect the charity, village fete, helping others part, no need to respect the rest.

[Tony Moanero]

2 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

You do you.

I will do.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

I'd forgotten about the tunnel story. 

 

Not sure whether that reflects more on my memory, or the sheer volume of bollocks we all speak on this site.

[Curly]

3 hours ago, 3 Stacks said:

It's very easy to understand why the unvaccinated are vilified. Bar the very elderly and already very sick, regardless of vaxx status, the data is extremely clear that the unvaccinated make up a huge part of hospitalizations and deaths now and the fear of those two things overwhelming health systems is mostly what's keeping society from moving on from Covid. It's really not very complicated. 

 

Well that, and there's a smugness to loads of people who aren't taking it because they think they don't need it like everyone else or there's the conspiracy stuff. Most simply aren't very likeable people and don't come across well. There's a caveat that some demographics may not absolutely need to get vaccinated, but it would probably just help society in general if they did. 

Anyone actively instructing anyone else on either side of this doesn’t come across well in my opinion, not just the antivaxxers. In fact, Red Phoenix comes across very well on here - offers his research and views and ignores the baiting, whereas there are some proper know it all and condescending/judgemental opinions on the pro vaccine side. Just another topic in a long line of recent shite for everyone to be polarised about.

[Curly]

1 hour ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I think the debate around boosters wasn't "are they needed" (they very, very obviously are) but whether we should prioritise boosting young & healthy people in the rich world over more vulnerable people in poorer countries. It's a valid debate, but it's wrong to characterise it as opposition to boosters.

 

Nothing in your post contradicts the four points in the post you're replying to.

Yeah, there was definitely a chunk of the debate that circulated around that, but also there was back up to that to say that vaccines and immunity within the populations would be doing enough of a job without boosters. 
 

I don’t think you’re wrong in what you say on this, apart from the fact people should be able to choose. It’s what the western world and democracy is built on. A lot of the anti vaxxers think they are fighting the good fight and looking out for the rest of us in opposing measures and vaccines, the other side think the opposite. At the end of the day, we are pretty much 80% triple jabbed now. The minority that aren’t jabbed won’t all end up in ICU and aren’t the only part of the problem.

[Guest]

39 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

You do you.

 

I'll respect the charity, village fete, helping others part, no need to respect the rest.

What the fuck is this shit doing on here?

[TD_LFC]

15 minutes ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

What the fuck is this shit doing on here?

Eh?

 

Never thought the respecting the healthy part's of religion that prompt people to help others while shitting on the crappy parts that see people refusing to help their kids with needed medicine in the name of god would be so controversial.

 

[Elite]

Not a fan of the government's Green Mile Sequel that they've got airing alongside the TV adverts.

[TD_LFC]

As long as Percy still get's what's coming to him.