Coronavirus

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Schindler's Working From Home To-do List. 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

34 minutes ago, Boss said:

Please explain to me what I've misrepresented? because every single word of what I said there is factually true.

I think making out they all had a choice is a misrepresentation. 

Edited December 8, 2021 by Skidfingers McGonical

[Boss]

1 minute ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

I think making out they all had a choice is the misrepresentation. 

 

In what way?

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Boss said:

 

In what way?

Lets start with the bit where they needed a £1000 shall we ? 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I suppose exile or persecution is a choice, just like the choice between taking potentially life-saving medicine or being barred from seeing Leanne Campbell in Cinderella. The two situations are almost completely indistinguishable.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Lets start with the bit where they needed a £1000 shall we ? 

This. 

[Boss]

5 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Lets start with the bit where they needed a £1000 shall we ? 

It's not a significant amount of money. Most families had that money or at least had assets that they could sell that would put them above that threshold. 

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, Boss said:

It's not a significant amount of money. Most families had that money or at least had assets that they could sell that would put them above that threshold. 

Most of them had £1000 in 1930s Germany …… 

 

Fucking hell Boss. 
 

What would that be, about 40k now? Even with hyperinflation? Why did only 60’000 leave? 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

1 hour ago, Boss said:

 

If you are fundamentally opposed to vaccines then you have no choice. You can't travel. You can't even leave the country because you need to be vaccinated to emigrate. So you must therefore accept persecution. 

Not every country requires a vaccination as an entry requirement. 

 

More bullshit. 

[Boss]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Most of them had £1000 in 1930s Germany …… 

 

Fucking hell Boss. 

 

You'd sell your house and fuck off, wouldn't you? Why would you stay?

[SasaS]

But in an emergency situation such as a natural disaster, epidemic and ultimately, war, all societies temporarily suspend some of your civil liberties. If there are floods, you cannot go wherever you want, if there is a serious drought you are not allowed to water your garden. When there is an epidemic, you may be required to protect yourself and others by wearing a mask. And you may be asked to get vaccinated. Which so far nobody has actually done, other then pressuring people towards it, to make their lives easier, in several countries.

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Boss said:

 

You'd sell your house and fuck off, wouldn't you? Why would you stay?

Why wouldn’t you get the vaccine? 

[General Dryness]

2 minutes ago, Boss said:

 

You'd sell your house and fuck off, wouldn't you? Why would you stay?

Who could have foreseen the Holocaust?

 

"Better get out of here, I reckon he's going to murder 6 million of us."

[SasaS]

Speaking of 1,000 pounds to leave Nazi Germany, the fine in Austria, so far the only country to announce mandatory vaccination will allegedly be 300 euro every three months. So for about 1,000 pounds a year, you can go on not getting vaccinated.

[Boss]

7 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Why wouldn’t you get the vaccine? 

 

Because it's against your fundamental beliefs, technically, Judaism is a belief system. A Jew could convert to Catholicism, but you'd never ask a Jew to do that because, fundamentally, it's who they are. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 minute ago, Boss said:

 

Because it's against your fundamental beliefs. Technically, Judaism is a belief system. A Jew could convert to Catholicism but you'd never ask a Jew to do that because fundamentally it's who they are. 

Vaccination against your fundamental beliefs?

 

How so?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Boss said:

 

The Jews had choices. They could've left the country between 1933-1939 under the Haavara agreement which allowed them to emigrate to Palestine to flee persecution. If you had £1000 you could emigrate to Palestine under an immigrant investor program. 60,000 German Jews were resettled under this program. 

Also worth remembering, of course, that Jewish immigrants were not exactly welcomed with open arms by the Arabs  who lived in Mandatory Palestine (or, for that matter, the British authorities).

 

So, that choice those lucky Jews had was stay and be persecuted by the Nazis or exile yourself and risk persecution in Palestine.

 

This is in no way comparable to temporary, limited restrictions being introduced to protect public health.

[Boss]

1 minute ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Vaccination against your fundamental beliefs?

 

How so?

Because some people don't believe in vaccines. They don't believe that Big Pharma has their best interests at heart. They believe it's a racket, where companies are hell-bent on profits and actually put peoples lives at risk. A racket where these same companies spend billions a year covering up mass-tort lawsuits from people who've had their health destroyed by prescription drugs. They raise their children to have the same belief system. It's from birth. It's actually not too different to being raised a Jew or a devote Catholic. It's just who you are, and what you've always known.

[TheHowieLama]

52 minutes ago, Boss said:

Suppose someone makes a statement claiming the Jews had no free will in Nazi Germany during the '30s. It's not true and needs to be called out as such, especially if they are claiming the two scenarios are different because the unvaccinated have a choice. 

Point conceded - they could in fact leave the country as you stated under the conditions you stated. That is a very important fact when drawing parallels between the current state of Covid measures in the UK and Nazi Germany.

 

 

[KMD7]

You're having a mare here Boss, let it go.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 minute ago, Boss said:

Because some people don't believe in vaccines. They don't believe that Big Pharma has their best interests at heart. They believe it's a racket, where companies are hell-bent on profits and actually put peoples lives at risk. A racket where these same companies spend billions a year covering up mass-tort lawsuits from people who've had their health destroyed by prescription drugs. They raise their children to have the same belief system. It's from birth. It's actually not too different to being raised a Jew or a devote Catholic. It's just who you are, and what you've always known.

You mean, some people are morons?  That's not a Protected Characteristic under the Equality Act, nor should it be.

[Rico1304]

23 minutes ago, Boss said:

 

You'd sell your house and fuck off, wouldn't you? Why would you stay?

Is this a real conversation? 

[Boss]

Just now, TheHowieLama said:

Point conceded - they could in fact leave the country as you stated under the conditions you stated. That is a very important fact when drawing parallels between the current state of Covid measures in the UK and Nazi Germany.

 

Thank you for your graciousness in conceding that point, Howie. Much respect to you for that. I understand your general point, and maybe I am jumping the shark a little bit. I guess it's personal to me and sometimes emotions do get the better of me in that regard. I need to check myself sometimes. 

[Rico1304]

1 hour ago, Boss said:

I'm sorry if facts upset you. 

This needs reporting to the Big Fella.  Not God, DU.  

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 minutes ago, Boss said:

Because some people don't believe in vaccines. They don't believe that Big Pharma has their best interests at heart. They believe it's a racket, where companies are hell-bent on profits and actually put peoples lives at risk. A racket where these same companies spend billions a year covering up mass-tort lawsuits from people who've had their health destroyed by prescription drugs. They raise their children to have the same belief system. It's from birth. It's actually not too different to being raised a Jew or a devote Catholic. It's just who you are, and what you've always known.

You - or the feckin' eejits in your example - have to see that the following two statements are not contradictory

1 - Big pharmaceutical companies are unscrupulous capitalist pigs who will do whatever they can for a fast buck.

2 - Vaccines have saved hundreds of millions of lives by protecting people from numerous diseases.

 

Believing the first statement doesn't justify an anti-vax opinion.