Coronavirus

[A Red]

3 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Has anyone actually used their NHS Covid pass for anything? I've just been trying to look at mine, but the app is being a bit of a nobhead (possibly because Milli of people are checking it for the first time all at once).

You need to show proof to go in to bars/restaurants etc in New York. You could show them an online tufty club membership for all the notice they take.

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

4 minutes ago, Boss said:

 

The comparison is apt.  

I can understand given the massive sacrifices you have made that it does seem similar.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 minutes ago, Boss said:

At no point in history has the erosion of peoples rights ever led to a positive outcome. 

What about when criminals lose some of their rights and get sent to prison? Are there no positive outcomes for society there?

 

How about when people lost the right to own slaves? On balance, I'd say that was positive.

[Boss]

1 minute ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

The comparison falls down on the part where nobody, as a result of Covid, is being given a choice between persecution or exile.

 

If you are fundamentally opposed to vaccines then you have no choice. You can't travel. You can't even leave the country because you need to be vaccinated to emigrate. So you must therefore accept persecution. 

[M_B]

11 minutes ago, Boss said:

 

The comparison is apt. At no point in history has the erosion of peoples rights ever led to a positive outcome. 

Conscription? Schooling?

[Boss]

1 minute ago, M_B said:

Conscription? Schooling?

How is schooling an erosion of peoples rights?

[RJ Fan club]

1 minute ago, M_B said:

Conscription? Schooling?

Fluoride in the water supply? The bastards 

[M_B]

1 minute ago, Boss said:

How is schooling an erosion of peoples rights?

You have to do it (in this country)

[The-Sir]

16 minutes ago, Boss said:

 

The Jews had choices. They could've left the country between 1933-1939 under the Haavara agreement which allowed them to emigrate to Palestine to flee persecution. If you had £1000 you could emigrate to Palestine under an immigrant investor program. 60,000 German Jews were resettled under this program. 

Fucking hell lad. The millions killed only had themselves to blame? Take it to the alt news covid thread. 

[Clem H Fandango]

Just now, Boss said:

How is schooling an erosion of peoples rights?

How about public smoking ban, hasn't that had a positive impact.

[Boss]

Just now, M_B said:

You have to do it

Schooling is a liberation of peoples rights. It allows everyone the opportunity to better themselves and their position in life.

[Boss]

1 minute ago, The-Sir said:

Fucking hell lad. The millions killed only had themselves to blame? Take it to the alt news covid thread. 

I'm sorry if facts upset you. 

[M_B]

Just now, Boss said:

Schooling is a liberation of peoples rights. It allows everyone the opportunity to better themselves and their position in life.

Yes, but you don't have a choice, you have to do it. Your freedom is curtailed.

 

What about conscription?

 

Basically your assertion was a cliche.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

5 minutes ago, Boss said:

 

If you are fundamentally opposed to vaccines then you have no choice. You can't travel. You can't even leave the country because you need to be vaccinated to emigrate. So you must therefore accept persecution. 

Persecution?

 

Bearing in mind what life for German Jews was like in the 1930s, please tell me how not being able to go to watch a Michael Bublé tribute act is "persecution".

[The-Sir]

1 minute ago, Boss said:

I'm sorry if facts upset you. 

No the misrepresentation of facts upsets me. 

[Boss]

1 minute ago, The-Sir said:

No the misrepresentation of facts upsets me. 

Please explain to me what I've misrepresented? because every single word of what I said there is factually true.

[RJ Fan club]

5 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Persecution?

 

Bearing in mind what life for German Jews was like in the 1930s, please tell me how not being able to go to watch a Michael Bublé tribute act is "persecution".

He can’t go to Marbella ffs. It’s not oppression it’s worse than that it’s persecution. They’re out to stop  the mid priced holiday with kids club and watered down vodka cocktails 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 minutes ago, Boss said:

Please explain to me what I've misrepresented? because every single word of what I said there is factually true.

The bit where you tried to draw comparisons to the "persecution" of unvaccinated people is a grotesque misrepresentation of facts.

[The-Sir]

3 minutes ago, Boss said:

Please explain to me what I've misrepresented? because every single word of what I said there is factually true.

Are you trying to justify the holocaust? 

[TheHowieLama]

This is what I posted about a few days ago.

 

There should be a serious conversation about mandates, passes etc.

I don't think it can be had by trying to make comparisons to Nazi Germany.

There are countless other, far more effective points to concentrate on.

None of them have to do with this vaccine in particular.

[Anubis]

You don’t need a vaccine passport to travel unless the country you’re travelling to requires you to be fully vaccinated. You just need a negative test result. 

[Rico1304]

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Kylie Frank: The Diary of a Young Girl. 

 

"Father cried himself to sleep tonight. He tries to keep secrets from me. But, I overheard him talking to Mother about the horrors he faced today. He was subject to the most inhumane treatment possible. Why are these monsters so cruel? Why do they do this to us? I've never seen Father cry before. But, the tears cascading down his cheek when he told Mother that he'd need to have a negative lateral flow test if he wanted to go and watch QPR versus Blackburn Rovers will be etched on my mind forever. 

 

Why, Lord? Why do you subject us to this tyranny?"

[Boss]

13 minutes ago, The-Sir said:

Are you trying to justify the holocaust? 

I'm fundamentally against any erosion of civil liberties, so you can extrapolate out from that I'm staunchly opposed to the Holocaust and what happened to the Jews. However, there are facts, and there are feelings - and they are two separate things. Suppose someone makes a statement claiming the Jews had no free will in Nazi Germany during the '30s. It's not true and needs to be called out as such, especially if they are claiming the two scenarios are different because the unvaccinated have a choice. 

[Section_31]

Booked my booster for Wednesday and flu jab for Friday, I'm gonna have more antibodies than Wolverine after he's just been bummed by Mark Fowler.