Coronavirus

[SasaS 3,153]

10 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Are the media still covering Florida? It's all about Death Santis isn't it?

 

What about this?

 

 

Note what's at 21 seconds in the video. Alongside vaccines there's : exercise and activity, nutrition, vitamin C, vitamin D and zinc.

 

Wasn't I getting ridiculed for mentioning those same things not long back?

 

From the site linked there :

 

 

http://www.healthieryoufl.org/response.html

 

Why aren't the WHO or many governments recommending the same things? Why is it all about vaccines? You could easily teach primary school kids that it's a good idea to offer treatments and health advice other than vaccines during a pandemic to help the immune system, but the WHO and most governments still haven't quite got the message yet.

 

You can screech conspiracy theorist all you want, but when the GAVI alliance (vaccine alliance) and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation are two of the biggest funders of the WHO it might interfere with the health advice they're offering at times.

 

Exercise and activity alone should also be a huge thing with this entire pandemic considering that obesity is said to be one of the main risk factors. Japan have one of the lowest rates of obesity in the world too and one of the healthiest diets, maybe that's helped them a lot recently.

I would venture a guess that in a pandemic, it is somewhat easier to vaccinate your population, rather than wait for decades billions of people change their lifestyle on the back of some public service promotional videos?

[Iceman 2,876]

Africa has been the biggest hole in the Covid narrative for well over a year.

 

Africa is by far the poorest continent, it is densely populated, malnourishment and extreme poverty are endemic across many African nations, and it is home to more AIDS patients than the entire rest of the world combined.

 

And yet...no Covid crisis.

 

 

[3 Stacks 3,354]

4 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Africa has been the biggest hole in the Covid narrative for well over a year.

 

Africa is by far the poorest continent, it is densely populated, malnourishment and extreme poverty are endemic across many African nations, and it is home to more AIDS patients than the entire rest of the world combined.

 

And yet...no Covid crisis.

 

 

You literally could not have found a worse time to post this. Seen the news in the last few days?

[Bruce Spanner 5,741]

7 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Africa has been the biggest hole in the Covid narrative for well over a year.

 

Africa is by far the poorest continent, it is densely populated, malnourishment and extreme poverty are endemic across many African nations, and it is home to more AIDS patients than the entire rest of the world combined.

 

And yet...no Covid crisis.

 

 

Don’t know where you’re getting your news, hombre.

 

But hospitals have been packed for ages, as with the first real wave, and I know a fair few elderly who’ve died.

 

No testing, means few cases picked up.

 

Most won’t be able to get to a hospital so will die at home and be unregistered.

 

Schools are now closing again.

 

We have around 2% vaccinated population even with vaccines available, there’s no interest/hesitancy.

 

The one saving grace is a young population which is the reason it’s not been as horrific as predicted ‘here’, but it has been bad and is currently very ropey with high numbers in those tested.

 

Bruce, live from Khartoum.

[Red Phoenix 1,984]

1 hour ago, SasaS said:

That is true. However, when that German player was in the spotlight for refusing to get jabbed and mentioned that as a concern, they said there are no long term effects of vaccination, side effects either occur in the initial period or they don't, they are not expecting the possibility of long term effects, as in what happens after a couple of years with your body.

 

Long term health effects aren't clear yet, even the CDC admit that and they're investigating themselves : https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myo-outcomes.html

 

21 minutes ago, SasaS said:

I would venture a guess that in a pandemic, it is somewhat easier to vaccinate your population, rather than wait for decades billions of people change their lifestyle on the back of some public service promotional videos?

 

It doesn't take decades to start getting good effects from nutrition and supplement advice or even exercise. With two years of working on those things we could've saved a lot of lives I'd guess and it could also have helped us be in a lot better state before vaccines even arrived.

[Red Phoenix 1,984]

20 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Africa has been the biggest hole in the Covid narrative for well over a year.

 

Africa is by far the poorest continent, it is densely populated, malnourishment and extreme poverty are endemic across many African nations, and it is home to more AIDS patients than the entire rest of the world combined.

 

And yet...no Covid crisis.

 

Yeah I don't think they're happy that things might not be so bad over there, reminds me of this too :

 

 

[Red Phoenix 1,984]

19 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Don’t know where you’re getting your news, hombre.

 

But hospitals have been packed for ages, as with the first real wave, and I know a fair few elderly who’ve died.

 

No testing, means few cases picked up.

 

Most won’t be able to get to a hospital so will die at home and be unregistered.

 

Schools are now closing again.

 

We have around 2% vaccinated population even with vaccines available, there’s no interest/hesitancy.

 

The one saving grace is a young population which is the reason it’s not been as horrific as predicted ‘here’, but it has been bad and is currently very ropey with high numbers in those tested.

 

Bruce, live from Khartoum.

 

I think he's partly referring to this :

 

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Scientists emphasize that obtaining accurate COVID-19 data, particularly in African countries with patchy surveillance, is extremely difficult, and warn that declining coronavirus trends could easily be reversed.

But there is something “mysterious” going on in Africa that is puzzling scientists, said Wafaa El-Sadr, chair of global health at Columbia University. “Africa doesn’t have the vaccines and the resources to fight COVID-19 that they have in Europe and the U.S., but somehow they seem to be doing better,” she said.

Fewer than 6% of people in Africa are vaccinated. For months, the WHO has described Africa as “one of the least affected regions in the world” in its weekly pandemic reports.

Some researchers say the continent’s younger population -- the average age is 20 versus about 43 in Western Europe — in addition to their lower rates of urbanization and tendency to spend time outdoors, may have spared it the more lethal effects of the virus so far. Several studies are probing whether there might be other explanations, including genetic reasons or past infection with parasitic diseases.

On Friday, researchers working in Uganda said they found COVID-19 patients with high rates of exposure to malaria were less likely to suffer severe disease or death than people with little history of the disease.

“We went into this project thinking we would see a higher rate of negative outcomes in people with a history of malaria infections because that’s what was seen in patients co-infected with malaria and Ebola,” said Jane Achan, a senior research advisor at the Malaria Consortium and a co-author of the study. “We were actually quite surprised to see the opposite — that malaria may have a protective effect.”

Achan said this may suggest that past infection with malaria could “blunt” the tendency of people’s immune systems to go into overdrive when they are infected with COVID-19. The research was presented Friday at a meeting of the American Society of Tropical Medicine and Hygiene.

Christian Happi, director of the African Center of Excellence for Genomics of Infectious Diseases at Redeemer’s University in Nigeria, said authorities are used to curbing outbreaks even without vaccines and credited the extensive networks of community health workers.

“It’s not always about how much money you have or how sophisticated your hospitals are,” he said.

 

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/scientists-mystified-wary-africa-avoids-covid-disaster-81271647

[3 Stacks 3,354]

8 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

It doesn't take decades to start getting good effects from nutrition and supplement advice or even exercise. With two years of working on those things we could've saved a lot of lives I'd guess and it could also have helped us be in a lot better state before vaccines even arrived.

It's a good thing living a healthy lifestyle and getting vaccinated aren't mutually exclusive. It's also a good thing that information about how to live a healthy lifestyle has been available for free for decades. 

[SasaS 3,153]

6 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

It doesn't take decades to start getting good effects from nutrition and supplement advice or even exercise. With two years of working on those things we could've saved a lot of lives I'd guess and it could also have helped us be in a lot better state before vaccines even arrived.

Are you familiar with the rate of change in people's attitudes various similar public initiatives managed to achieve in the past? 

[Pureblood 7,452]

53,945 new cases.  When do we get to the part where the vaccine reduces transmission? 

[Shooter in the Motor 8,506]

5 minutes ago, Pureblood said:

53,945 new cases.  When do we get to the part where the vaccine reduces transmission? 

Who has said they do? It's possible they reduce viral load transmission but does anyone know for sure? 

[Iceman 2,876]

32 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Don’t know where you’re getting your news, hombre.

 

But hospitals have been packed for ages, as with the first real wave, and I know a fair few elderly who’ve died.

 

No testing, means few cases picked up.

 

Most won’t be able to get to a hospital so will die at home and be unregistered.

 

Schools are now closing again.

 

We have around 2% vaccinated population even with vaccines available, there’s no interest/hesitancy.

 

The one saving grace is a young population which is the reason it’s not been as horrific as predicted ‘here’, but it has been bad and is currently very ropey with high numbers in those tested.

 

Bruce, live from Khartoum.

The reason Africa has a younger population, on average, is that – on average – they are much sicker.

There are diseases endemic to large parts of Africa that are all but wiped out in most of the Western world. Cholera, typhus, yellow fever, tuberculosis, malaria. Access to clean water, and healthcare are also much more limited.

And while it has been nailed into the public mind that being elderly is the biggest risk factor for Covid, that is inaccurate. In fact, the biggest risk factor for dying “of Covid” is, and always has been, already dying of something else. 

The truth is that any REAL dangerous respiratory virus would have cut a bloody swath across the entire continent.

[Iceman 2,876]

2 minutes ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

Who has said they do? It's possible they reduce viral load transmission but does anyone know for sure? 

This is the double-think mind fuck programming. They told you the vaccines were 95% effective. They told you it stopped you getting it and transmitting it. Stop pretending they didn't. You wouldn't have lined up for your jabs if they had told you you could still get it and pass it on. 

[Pureblood 7,452]

4 minutes ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

Who has said they do?

Haha, good one.

[Shooter in the Motor 8,506]

Just now, Iceman said:

This is the double-think mind fuck programming. They told you the vaccines were 95% effective. They told you it stopped you getting it and transmitting it. Stop pretending they didn't. You wouldn't have lined up for your jabs if they had told you you could still get it and pass it on. 

How do you know what I knew and didn't know? I took the vaccine to help prevent the disease having a serious effect on me. I was well aware that it didn't stop transmission and it was never sold to me that it would. That's why I still wear a mask pretty much all day, every day. 

 

By the way, who is "they"?

[Shooter in the Motor 8,506]

2 minutes ago, Pureblood said:

Haha, good one.

That's not an answer.

[Carradona 784]

4 minutes ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

That's not an answer.

He doesn't give answers, just patronising retorts. 

[Nelly-Matip 8,357]

12 minutes ago, Iceman said:

I don't understand what vaccine efficacy means, therefore nobody else did or does. So there! 

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-vaccine-efficacy-how-well-shots-prevent-infections-2020-11

[Nelly-Matip 8,357]

Did we make any progress on getting any actual, factual evidence re: which of the 108 sportspeople had been vaccinated? 

[Iceman 2,876]

1 minute ago, Nelly-Torres said:

I'm a massive cunt.  

 

[AngryOfTuebrook 24,131]

On 01/12/2021 at 16:50, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Does apply that to all topics on here or just this one?

The FF would be a fuller place without wild speculation.

[AngryOfTuebrook 24,131]

21 hours ago, Iceman said:

This is the first time in history that a medicines ineffectiveness is being blamed on those who haven't taken it. 

 

“If you have to be persuaded, reminded, pressured, lied to, incentivized, coerced, bullied, 
 socially shamed, guilt-tripped, threatened, punished and criminalized ... 
 If all of this is considered necessary to gain your compliance --
 you can be absolutely certain that what is being promoted is not in your best interest.”

 

- Ian Watson

 

As we have paid for these vaccines, they should be given at cost to the people...pharma should not make a dime profit, no one should during times of national emergencies. 

 

 

Ian Watson is talking out of his hoop.

 

Nobody has to be coerced or bullied or the rest of it. Most people are persuaded by the glaringly obvious truth that vaccines, masks, distancing and washing your hands can save lives by limiting the spread of the virus. Unfortunately, a sizeable and noisy minority have been lied to and have swallowed those lies enthusiastically.

[Iceman 2,876]

3 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Ian Watson is talking out of his hoop.

 

Nobody has to be coerced or bullied or the rest of it. Most people are persuaded by the glaringly obvious truth that vaccines, masks, distancing and washing your hands can save lives by limiting the spread of the virus. Unfortunately, a sizeable and noisy minority have been lied to and have swallowed those lies enthusiastically.

You probably used to be a socialist. 

Hated Thatcher and her totalitarian regime. Supported the miners etc

Yet here you are a stooge for big pharma and happy to condone the loss of individual human rights.

Well on your way to being ToryOfTuebrook. 

[AngryOfTuebrook 24,131]

4 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

The seatbelt argument. Seatbelts aren't injected into your body permanently altering it so I don't think that argument makes any sense on this subject.

Er... Vaccines don't "permanently alter" your body either.

[Moctezuma 998]

1 hour ago, Iceman said:

Africa has been the biggest hole in the Covid narrative for well over a year.

 

Africa is by far the poorest continent, it is densely populated, malnourishment and extreme poverty are endemic across many African nations, and it is home to more AIDS patients than the entire rest of the world combined.

 

And yet...no Covid crisis.

 

 

It's almost like the continents demography is extremely young...