Coronavirus

[Red Phoenix]

2 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Whether vaccines are mandatory or not will have no bearing on the mortality rates of the vaccine.

 

As for "all the deaths" in the UK, of the tens of millions of vaccinations administered up to August, there were 5 deaths.  (That is, of course, assuming you consider official data which contradicts your scaremongering assumptions as "accurate updates".)

 

https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/10/04/how-many-people-have-died-as-a-result-of-a-covid-19-vaccine/

 

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The Yellow Card reporting scheme has reported that between 9 December 2020 and 8 September 2021 there were 1,645 deaths where the person died shortly after receiving one of the coronavirus vaccines. This is the number of deaths reported as possibly linked to a vaccine, however they will not have been fully investigated at the time of reporting and a report is not proof of causation. So, the numbers are likely to be a big overestimate. The MHRA follow up all such reports and use other sources of evidence such as the numbers of individuals who would be expected to experience different events irrespective of vaccination.

In contrast, the different statistical agencies have reported that to August 2021 (June 2021 in Northern Ireland) there were 4 deaths in England, 0 deaths in Wales, 4 deaths in Scotland and 1 in Northern Ireland. Of these, 4 in Scotland and 1 in Northern Ireland had the vaccine as the underlying cause of death. This meant that there were 9 deaths in the UK that involved the vaccine (meaning the vaccine contributed to the death), of which 5 had the vaccine as the underlying cause (meaning the vaccine initiated the chain of events directly leading to the death). For these deaths, there was evidence to suggest that the vaccine played a part in the chain of events that led to the death.

 

I get that the Yellow Card reporting can be wrong, but you're deciding to believe 1645 people being reported on that as having died after the vaccine can neatly be reduced down to 5. That's your choice, I'll remain skeptical of what the "different statistical agencies" decided on.

 

2 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

If anyone ever needs a definitive example of how seemingly random words can be threaded together to form a Fabergé egg (superficially impressive, but absolutely hollow) of pure, distilled bullshit, this is a good place to start.

 

Yes, the "reality" of these covid measures that we're dealing with is all about honest governments and corporations genuinely concerned about our health. I'm glad they suddenly decided to be the good guys once the pandemic started. If they hadn't have things might've been in danger of getting a bit oppressive.

[Red Phoenix]

2 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Such as?

 

You're asking me what the future consequences could be of allowing the government to decide what injections go into your body could be? It's not hard I don't think.

 

It should be up to a person to decide what medicines are injected into their bodies, not governments. The biggest red flag of this entire year for me is people suddenly deciding that that shouldn't be an issue.

 

Governments are known to be corrupt so the reasons for mandates might not be the best for our health and injections could have long term health effects that aren't known at the time they're mandated.

 

If you want to deny that either of those could possibly happen in the future with mandated injections then I think you'd have a large amount of people from all walks of life quickly disagreeing with you, because it should be easy to see that they're both serious risks.

[Red Phoenix]

3 hours ago, SasaS said:

So far covid passports and announcements of mandatory vaccination has served to push people to get vaccinated. With over 60s, in the recent wave throughout Eastern-Southeast Europe, vast majority of deaths have been in the over 60 category, something like 80 percent of deaths were typically people who weren't  fully vaccinated, so at least mathematically (without studying all cases with respect to underlying conditions) they are about 8 to 10 times more likely to die.

 

I don't agree that passports, mandates and vaccines are the only answer. I think that if there'd have been a better look at possible early treatments instead of relying so much on waiting for big pharma vaccines this entire pandemic could've been dealt with a lot better.

 

And yes I know, now that we're in the new normal that idea confines me to the loony bin along with thinking that people should be free to decide what's injected into their bodies instead of governments.

 

When exploring early treatments for a virus and freedom to decide what's injected into your body are such controversial subjects that invite so much ridicule it might be fair to assume that there's either a large amount of propaganda and censorship going around, democracy has all but left us, or both.

[Red Phoenix]

Time to focus on posting less again, I'd been doing a lot better at that before omicron arrived and I need to get back to that I think.

[TheHowieLama]

A man's got to know his limitations.

[3 Stacks]

2 hours ago, Boss said:

 

Because the vaccines are the only variable that's been added. Presumably, they ate chicken and eggs before the introduction of the vaccines, likewise - seeing as they are living human beings - they also breathe in oxygen and consume water.

It's not actually. The virus is another variable, a variable that has actually been shown to more likely give a person heart problems than the vaccine would. 

 

But the point is, all this is speculation. Unless you have causation, why are people bothered? Some people who think they're above it all talk about Covid causing mass hysteria then posit without proof that vaccines are causing people to have heart attacks. Makes no sense whatsoever. 

 

 

[Boss]

1 hour ago, 3 Stacks said:

It's not actually. The virus is another variable, a variable that has actually been shown to more likely give a person heart problems than the vaccine would. 

 

But the point is, all this is speculation. Unless you have causation, why are people bothered? Some people who think they're above it all talk about Covid causing mass hysteria then posit without proof that vaccines are causing people to have heart attacks. Makes no sense whatsoever. 

 

The vaccines have been known to cause blood clots, and blood clots can lead to heart attacks. So, in that sense, it'd be more logical to deduce the vaccines are the cause of the increased heart attacks, instead of the virus - which mostly affects the lungs. However, there is some data that says COVID can cause blood clots, so the picture is unclear.

 

Myocarditis has been directly attributed to the vaccines though - which is inflammation of the heart, which can progress to cardiomyopathy and chronic heart failure. The point is though, the vaccines are not without risks.

[Denny Crane]

 

 

 

 

How do you explain how a supremely fit 42-year-old man died of a disease typically thought to afflict older people or those with underlying conditions?

“Genetics makes the most sense,” says Dr Guillaume Butler-Laporte, a genetic epidemiologist at McGill University. Butler‑Laporte is part of a global research programme to analyse the genomes of more than 100,000 people with Covid, in an effort to understand why some people are more severely affected than others.

When he began his research in March 2020, Butler-Laporte “did not expect to find much”, he says. “We thought Covid would affect everyone, but be worse for old people and not as bad for young people. But as we included more patients, we saw a clear story develop. It was surprising.”

Butler-Laporte and his colleagues found that people with variants in up to a dozen locations on the human genome were at higher risk of developing severe Covid, should they be unfortunate enough to be infected with the virus. People with variants on the chromosome 3 region alone were up to twice as likely to develop severe Covid as someone without that genetic mutation. Chromosome 3 mutations are carried in about 10% of people of European ancestry, meaning that such people have a 10% chance of being twice as susceptible to severe Covid infection.

 

 

 

 

[Iceman]

[Iceman]

[Iceman]

[Mudface]

2 hours ago, Iceman said:

Ooh, is Bangladesh the new Sweden for the Grifterati?

 

Seeing as you, understandably, didn't post the source, here it is- https://greatgameindia.com/why-isnt-everyone-in-bangladesh-dead-from-covid/

 

Great Game India, a glorified blog specialising in conspiracy theories which seems to have found a nice niche serving up bullshit during the pandemic. In fact, it was in from the very start- https://apnews.com/article/conspiracy-theories-iran-only-on-ap-media-misinformation-bfca6d5b236a29d61c4dd38702495ffe

 

Anyway, wonder if they were saying the same back in March of this year, or June before those big waves?

 

 

 

[Captain Howdy]

Seems to me there are all kinds of opinions from differing sources, some credible some not. It’s a personal choice, there shouldn't be this amount of hysteria around the subject imo. I mean the anti-vaccers are clearly nut jobs I think that goes without saying but there’s nothing wrong with opting out. I’m fully vaccinated and have had the booster but it was a considered decision. If I was young I wouldn’t have it I don’t think.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

Wife’s got covid. Caught it a funeral we were both at last week. Symptoms have been very flu like. But nothing that doesn’t stop her making a cup of tea.
 

She and 5 others appear to have caught it off her Mum, who is double vaxxed. 
 

Now, the question I have here is this, why the fuck do I have to self isolate, when I have tested negative three times. I’ve had no symptoms, nothing, fortunately sound as a pound. 
 

Yet her Ma who dished it out could still walk around the shops sharing the virus freely because she’s double jabbed. 

 

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Wife’s got covid. Caught it a funeral we were both at last week. Symptoms have been very flu like. But nothing that doesn’t stop her making a cup of tea.
 

She and 5 others appear to have caught it off her Mum, who is double vaxxed. 
 

Now, the question I have here is this, why the fuck do I have to self isolate, when I have tested negative three times. I’ve had no symptoms, nothing, fortunately sound as a pound. 
 

Yet her Ma who dished it out could still walk around the shops sharing the virus freely because she’s double jabbed. 

 

Unfortunately this is the kind of rule making that breeds misinformation on how the virus is spread. I've had a number of people say they don't need to isolate because they are double jabbed. The only option I have is to isolate myself from them. Which is the kindest way I can say you're not coming anywhere near me. 

[mars]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/01/severe-covid-infection-doubles-chances-of-dying-in-following-year-study?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1638339124

Clearly more data needed but if I were younger then this might persuade me to get vaccinated.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

On the sportsmen/vaccines causing cardiac issues, it's also worth adding that some on the list of people who we don't know if they've been vaccinated or not actually died of epilepsy and not cardiac issues. 

[A Red]

Again, its being looked at the wrong way. Get vaccinated to help others not yourself. 

 

More people vaccinated means less people seriously ill in hospital which means the NHS can start dealing with the backlog of other illnesses that people are dying from. Its quite fucking simple.

 

I wouldn't force the anti vaccine twats to have jabs I'd ban them from playing computer games and make them go to bed at 10.30pm.

[Denny Crane]

8 hours ago, Boss said:

Does anyone find it weird that the AstraZeneca vaccine has just been totally phased out in the new booster jabs?

My dad got the booster on Monday they were offering Pfizer or Moderna. The reason given was the MRNA vaccines were more effective as a booster following the trials compared to the viral vector vaccines.

[skend04]

1 hour ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Wife’s got covid. Caught it a funeral we were both at last week. Symptoms have been very flu like. But nothing that doesn’t stop her making a cup of tea.
 

She and 5 others appear to have caught it off her Mum, who is double vaxxed. 
 

Now, the question I have here is this, why the fuck do I have to self isolate, when I have tested negative three times. I’ve had no symptoms, nothing, fortunately sound as a pound. 
 

Yet her Ma who dished it out could still walk around the shops sharing the virus freely because she’s double jabbed. 

 

Are you double jabbed?

I don't think you had to if so or if you have a negative PCR test. The rules are really confusing, not clear at all.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

9 hours ago, Pureblood said:

Yes it has increased.  It's conveniently explained away as being more likely due to Covid, for example in this article which acknowledges there is an increase in footballers collapsing on the field of play.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/11/26/scientists-rebuff-irresponsible-claims-pundits-say-covid-likely/

 

But I put it to you, why is Covid more likely to be the cause of this?  Mathematically, admittedly only at first glance, it is more likely to be the vaccine, in my opinion. The reason being that mass vaccination has taken place in a very short space of time.  Billions of people have been given multiple doses, but Covid has not been infecting people at anywhere near the same rate.  

 

Goodnight.

Why do you think it's "convenient" that the increase is linked to Covid?

Why do you imagine that the scientists who have looked at this are more concerned with what's convenient than with what's real?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 hours ago, Iceman said:

Once they start talking about"the High Priests of the pandemic" you know it's not a serious, reputable, independent source and you have to look elsewhere for your data and analysis.

[Captain Turdseye]

1 hour ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Wife’s got covid. Caught it a funeral we were both at last week. Symptoms have been very flu like. But nothing that doesn’t stop her making a cup of tea.
 

She and 5 others appear to have caught it off her Mum, who is double vaxxed. 
 

Now, the question I have here is this, why the fuck do I have to self isolate, when I have tested negative three times. I’ve had no symptoms, nothing, fortunately sound as a pound. 
 

Yet her Ma who dished it out could still walk around the shops sharing the virus freely because she’s double jabbed. 

 

Yeah, I don’t think you have to isolate either. Provided you test negative on PCR every few days and daily on LFT, you should lock your wife away and get on with stuff. Hope she doesn’t get any worse, Skids. 

[Pureblood]

6 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Why do you think it's "convenient" that the increase is linked to Covid?

Why do you imagine that the scientists who have looked at this are more concerned with what's convenient than with what's real?

It's convenient because there is a clear agenda to vaccinate as many people as possible, to downplay any risk and to overemphasise the benefits.

 

On your second point, I don't think these incidents have been rigourously investigated by regulatory agencies or health authorities in order to rule out the vaccine as a cause. 

[Captain Turdseye]

8 hours ago, Boss said:

Does anyone find it weird that the AstraZeneca vaccine has just been totally phased out in the new booster jabs?

I can see why it could be seen as weird. I can also see why it wouldn’t be used, because of all the negative (lots of it, false) press coverage it received. Even countries were banning it on the back of opinion pieces. Makes sense not to use it if they’re trying to get as many people as possible to get the booster.