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10 minutes ago, Pureblood said:

Can I apply this rule going forward?

No. Because I've now read the article and Iceman's opening paragraph outlining the 'reality' of vaccined is actually pretty much identical to what is stated by Pfizer in the article that he erroneously claims says something different. 

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2 minutes ago, CapeRed said:

You are right this virus has fucked up so much.

Undeniably so. It's changed our way of life. But, what would the consequences have been of not making these changes and cracking on regardless? 

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3 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

No. Because I've now read the article and Iceman's opening paragraph outlining the 'reality' of vaccined is actually pretty much identical to what is stated by Pfizer in the article that he erroneously claims says something different. 

Darn, foiled again.  Alright, from now on I'll believe everything Pfizer say. 

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5 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Undeniably so. It's changed our way of life. But, what would the consequences have been of not making these changes and cracking on regardless? 

I would hazard a guess and say a hell of a lot more deaths.

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1 hour ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

As Oscar Wilde said, the cynic knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing. The (overblown) cost of this pandemic in terms of human lives is thrown around (devoid of all context, like the fact that the population on this increasingly crowded planet actually grew by 81.3 million in 2020) but it's never weighed against the value of everything we've had to lose in our futile attempts to stop the inevitable. At what point does the impact on the lives of the 99.95% of people who didn't die from (with) covid start to be seen as important?

Does this mean that value of human lives lost is lower than the cost of the economic structure that construct it? My algebra isn't quite what it used to be.

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2 minutes ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

Does this mean that value of human lives lost is lower than the cost of the economic structure that construct it? My algebra isn't quite what it used to be.

Wearing a mask is more inconvenient than a few millions deaths 

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54 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Is this the bit where you pretend that they told you the vaccines would still allow you to spread the virus and get infected and end up in hospital? 

 

 

 

 

Or was it more like this:

 

Updated Pfizer Data Shows Vaccine Is 95% Effective

 

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20201118/updated-pfizer-data-shows-vaccine-is-95-effective

 

 

 

The data was correct, says nothing about impact on transmission.

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https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline

"A typical vaccine development timeline takes 5 to 10 years, and sometimes longer, to assess whether the vaccine is safe and efficacious in clinical trials, complete the regulatory approval processes, and manufacture sufficient quantity of vaccine doses for widespread distribution."

ACCELERATED TIMELINE IN A PANDEMIC

Some clinical trial phases are combined

Well that's nice. Don't get me started on the 3-6 month efficacy and the fact it was designed for alpha strain and not the mainstream delta. Are you going to keep taking it until the 8th booster? The third and (some places fourth) boosters are coming up soon ^_^

Did you know that unvaccinated people have been found to have a very similar viral load to fully vaccinated people? And that because vaccinated people will have less symptoms it is easier for them to transmit that viral load because they don't know they are sick? But don't bother googling the top notch educational resources reporting this. Just ignore me and downvote instead, and go back to your happy little echo chamber.

If the vaccine is effective at protecting yourself, why do you care if young healthy people take it? That has nothing to do with you, contrary to what Pfizer would like you to believe. Did you know that Pfizer paid the largest criminal fine in history at $2.3 billion for lying? They sound like some really honest trustworthy people and I can't wait to inject them into my body.

Upset because the liberal media echo chamber isn't telling you anything? Maybe you should question more and review more news sources and studies, because guess what, every news source is biased and has an agenda. They are private news media corporations and they do not give a shit about you, nor does the random journalist spreading their opinion piece as fact.

Step 1) Classification: Unvaccinated

Step 2) Symbolisation: Plague-rats, anti-vaxxers, covidiots, etc

Step 3) Discrimination: Vaccine passports, job exclusion, social exclusion, businesses closed, travel denied

Step 4) Dehumanisation: They dont care, they are evil, Everything is their fault, they are insane, They are holding us back

Step 5) Organisation: Australian quarantine camps, Austrian forced compulsory vaccination, Extreme forced lockdowns (China), Mass-media narrative to demonize the unvaccinated, Extremely excessive lockdowns in democracies

Step 6) Polarisation: Claim that they are anti-vaccine when they are obviously anti-mandate, understate the size of protests (say thousands instead of tens of thousands), Censor and block users from describing adverse reactions on places like Tik-Tok, Youtube... Publish pieces in the media that make everyone hate the unvaccinated ("Anti-Vaxxers Hate Chapmans Ice Cream!"), Conflate the unvaccinated with pre-pandemic anti-vaxxers even though they took all previous vaccines before the pandemic

Step 7) Preparation: Deny them travel, businesses, jobs, so they are homeless and destitute, exclude them from all services (even surgery) if they are not vaccinated, the list goes on...

Step 8 ) Persecution: Shut down their businesses, lock them in their homes if they still have one, prevent them from going anywhere except the grocery store, make society afraid of them with daily Two Minutes Hate articles in all major media designed to ostracize them from the community.

Step 9)

Step 10)

By the way, in case you are confused or wondering, Coronavirus is never going away, just like the flu didn't after the 1920 pandemic. This is not going to end unless we have some major medical breakthrough in virology or design a vaccine that actually works properly and not "sort-of".

THIS PANDEMIC IS NEVER GOING TO END, THESE RESTRICTIONS ARE NEVER GOING TO END, THEY ARE GOING TO KEEP TAKING AWAY MORE OF YOUR FREEDOMS BECAUSE YOU ALLOW THEM TO. WE REACHED HERD IMMUNITY LEVELS A LONG TIME AGO AND NOTHING HAPPENED AND WE ALL STILL HAVE TO WEAR MASKS AND GET MORE BOOSTERS.

Don't just agree with everyone else and be a little parrot. Grow a brain for yourself and research this. If you are vaccinated, great, but don't fucking force your garbage on me.

Don't forget, you are not allowed to question this vaccine or disagree ever, that is simply not socially acceptable. Having hesitations and not wanting an experimental medical treatment that many of us don't even need is no longer socially acceptable. How does that freedom taste?

None of this should make you mad at the unvaccinated, we just want you to fuck off with your mandates. Don't tell us we need to put garbage in our body just because you like to. if you are putting on your >:( NPC face right now, that's because you hate it when someone disagrees with you and is right, and you are a fascist who does not support people having medical choice. 

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1 hour ago, Mudface said:

That was against the Alpha variant. The Delta one is more infectious, reducing efficacy against infection to possibly as low as 40%. Even so, it's still highly effective against hospitalisations and deaths as we've seen over the last 6 months or so.

 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-how-well-covid-19-vaccines-work-against-the-delta-variant#Vaccines-vs.-Delta-variant

40% is a concern because they only got approval on the basis that they had 50% efficacy or higher. 

 

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/vaccine-efficacy-effectiveness-and-protection

 

All COVID-19 vaccines approved by WHO for emergency use listing have been through randomized clinical trials to test their quality, safety and efficacy. To be approved, vaccines are required to have a high efficacy rate of 50% or above. 

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1 hour ago, MegadriveMan said:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-29/young-kids-make-up-10-of-hospital-cases-in-omicron-epicenter

 

Bloomberg article suggesting that the new variant is causing more children to get ill than previous variants. 

Fucking hell. The one thing about all this that was a relative plus point, was that the little ones were mainly excluded from risk. Fucking cunt virus.

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19 minutes ago, Pureblood said:

40% is a concern because they only got approval on the basis that they had 50% efficacy or higher. 

 

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/vaccine-efficacy-effectiveness-and-protection

 

All COVID-19 vaccines approved by WHO for emergency use listing have been through randomized clinical trials to test their quality, safety and efficacy. To be approved, vaccines are required to have a high efficacy rate of 50% or above. 

That was from a single study. This was a bigger, more recent one from the UK- https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02261-8

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On 15/11/2021 at 14:47, Captain Turdseye said:


Got rid of the shed this year and replaced it with one of those big plastic box type things to put the bikes in. 
 

I suppose I’d fit in there. 

Motorcycle Emptiness.

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24 minutes ago, Mudface said:

That was from a single study. This was a bigger, more recent one from the UK- https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02261-8

Not peer reviewed, it would seem.  You know the rules.   Still, it would be a worry if it fell below 50%, right?  Given the minimum efficacy of 50% used by the WHO for the purposes of emergency use authorisation. 

 

The results, published in a preprint on 19 August

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56 minutes ago, Iceman said:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline

"A typical vaccine development timeline takes 5 to 10 years, and sometimes longer, to assess whether the vaccine is safe and efficacious in clinical trials, complete the regulatory approval processes, and manufacture sufficient quantity of vaccine doses for widespread distribution."

ACCELERATED TIMELINE IN A PANDEMIC

Some clinical trial phases are combined

Well that's nice. Don't get me started on the 3-6 month efficacy and the fact it was designed for alpha strain and not the mainstream delta. Are you going to keep taking it until the 8th booster? The third and (some places fourth) boosters are coming up soon ^_^

Did you know that unvaccinated people have been found to have a very similar viral load to fully vaccinated people? And that because vaccinated people will have less symptoms it is easier for them to transmit that viral load because they don't know they are sick? But don't bother googling the top notch educational resources reporting this. Just ignore me and downvote instead, and go back to your happy little echo chamber.

If the vaccine is effective at protecting yourself, why do you care if young healthy people take it? That has nothing to do with you, contrary to what Pfizer would like you to believe. Did you know that Pfizer paid the largest criminal fine in history at $2.3 billion for lying? They sound like some really honest trustworthy people and I can't wait to inject them into my body.

Upset because the liberal media echo chamber isn't telling you anything? Maybe you should question more and review more news sources and studies, because guess what, every news source is biased and has an agenda. They are private news media corporations and they do not give a shit about you, nor does the random journalist spreading their opinion piece as fact.

Step 1) Classification: Unvaccinated

Step 2) Symbolisation: Plague-rats, anti-vaxxers, covidiots, etc

Step 3) Discrimination: Vaccine passports, job exclusion, social exclusion, businesses closed, travel denied

Step 4) Dehumanisation: They dont care, they are evil, Everything is their fault, they are insane, They are holding us back

Step 5) Organisation: Australian quarantine camps, Austrian forced compulsory vaccination, Extreme forced lockdowns (China), Mass-media narrative to demonize the unvaccinated, Extremely excessive lockdowns in democracies

Step 6) Polarisation: Claim that they are anti-vaccine when they are obviously anti-mandate, understate the size of protests (say thousands instead of tens of thousands), Censor and block users from describing adverse reactions on places like Tik-Tok, Youtube... Publish pieces in the media that make everyone hate the unvaccinated ("Anti-Vaxxers Hate Chapmans Ice Cream!"), Conflate the unvaccinated with pre-pandemic anti-vaxxers even though they took all previous vaccines before the pandemic

Step 7) Preparation: Deny them travel, businesses, jobs, so they are homeless and destitute, exclude them from all services (even surgery) if they are not vaccinated, the list goes on...

Step 8 ) Persecution: Shut down their businesses, lock them in their homes if they still have one, prevent them from going anywhere except the grocery store, make society afraid of them with daily Two Minutes Hate articles in all major media designed to ostracize them from the community.

Step 9)

Step 10)

By the way, in case you are confused or wondering, Coronavirus is never going away, just like the flu didn't after the 1920 pandemic. This is not going to end unless we have some major medical breakthrough in virology or design a vaccine that actually works properly and not "sort-of".

THIS PANDEMIC IS NEVER GOING TO END, THESE RESTRICTIONS ARE NEVER GOING TO END, THEY ARE GOING TO KEEP TAKING AWAY MORE OF YOUR FREEDOMS BECAUSE YOU ALLOW THEM TO. WE REACHED HERD IMMUNITY LEVELS A LONG TIME AGO AND NOTHING HAPPENED AND WE ALL STILL HAVE TO WEAR MASKS AND GET MORE BOOSTERS.

Don't just agree with everyone else and be a little parrot. Grow a brain for yourself and research this. If you are vaccinated, great, but don't fucking force your garbage on me.

Don't forget, you are not allowed to question this vaccine or disagree ever, that is simply not socially acceptable. Having hesitations and not wanting an experimental medical treatment that many of us don't even need is no longer socially acceptable. How does that freedom taste?

None of this should make you mad at the unvaccinated, we just want you to fuck off with your mandates. Don't tell us we need to put garbage in our body just because you like to. if you are putting on your >:( NPC face right now, that's because you hate it when someone disagrees with you and is right, and you are a fascist who does not support people having medical choice. 

How old are you, Iceman? If you are over 30, it's probably a good idea to get vaccinated. If you are over 40, it's a no brainer, regardless of how healthy you may think you are.

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17 minutes ago, Pureblood said:

Not peer reviewed, it would seem.  You know the rules.   Still, it would be a worry if it fell below 50%, right?  Given the minimum efficacy of 50% used by the WHO for the purposes of emergency use authorisation. 

 

The results, published in a preprint on 19 August

It's been peer-reviewed and published- https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01548-7

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15 minutes ago, SasaS said:

How old are you, Iceman? If you are over 30, it's probably a good idea to get vaccinated. If you are over 40, it's a no brainer, regardless of how healthy you may think you are.

I tried to post the link but it didn't work. That was from a post on Reddit but thought it was a top rant and a nice addition to the TLW coof thread.

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

I think the abiding memory I'll have from this pandemic (sic) is of that socially distanced funeral where all the chairs are 2 metres apart, and the dead fella's sons move their chairs to comfort their weeping mother, only to get scolded by some jobsworth crematorium cunt. There's not a circle of Hell hot enough for these little Hitlers, and they've been loving this, absolutely loving it.

Go fuck yourself, you horrible cunt.

 

Really, go fuck yourself twice: once for that dangerously fuckwitted "pandemic (sic)" and once more for the cunt-minded suggestion that people whose working lives are all about trying to treat bereaved people with care, respect and dignity get their kicks from inflicting misery on grieving families.

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