Coronavirus

[Jennings]

7 hours ago, Pureblood said:

They just change the definition of unvaccinated to include people who've had two jabs but not the booster.

 

...

What? Unvaccinated by definition now means mean vaccinated...twice?

 

Where's this from?

[Pureblood]

5 minutes ago, Jennings said:

What? Unvaccinated by definition now means mean vaccinated...twice?

 

Where's this from?

 Well, you can already see it in policy whereby double jabbed won't be considered fully vaccinated until they have the booster.  For example, with international travel. 

 

And in Mudface's post you can see that the definition of "unvaccinated" is fast and loose because it included children who were ineligible.  It would be more accurate to describe them as ineligible. 

[Rico1304]

23 minutes ago, Ne Moe Imya said:

I'm coming around to the position that we're all (or virtually all) eventually going to get it, it's just a question of your age/vaccination status as to how serious it's likely to be.

 

Me, my wife, and kids are all vaccinated. Three of the four of us have now had it, thankfully after we were vaccinated. All felt sick for a few days, more of a head cold than anything, nothing too serious. 

 

This week the in-laws came down for the American holiday Thanksgiving, got here and then my father-in-law wasn't feeling well so he took a test - turns out he had it as well. Felt poorly for a day and a half, then mostly fine. Now the mother-in-law has it, but again, nothing too serious. They are in their 70s and vaccinated and it's not really anything dangerous for most people of that status with no underlying conditions.

 

I say if a country has access to vaccines, they should give it time for everyone who wants to be vaccinated and then pretty much just let it run its course at this point. It's becoming obvious that there are always going to be more and more variants and it's always going to be a part of our lives in the future, so may as well just get comfortable with knowing you're going to get it and get used to it. The real issue to address now is not lockdowns or masks but how do we get vaccines into the hands of the poorer countries around the world without the infrastructure and pharmaceutical industry to make their own.

What if you’ve got your vaccines and can’t access medical care because the hospitals are full of people who haven’t? 

[A Red]

I don't normally get involved in such piffling matters but the mrs has informed me that our upcoming trip to the US is going to cost us the best part of £400 in tests. I am now of the opinion that the whole thing is a conspiracy.

[Leyton388]

[Code]

3 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

Seems like it, mate. I'm assuming even if you did your test as soon as you arrived the quickest you would get the result is the next day. Maybe that isn't the case if you get it done at the airport, for example. Not sure.

Thanks for the info, I will have to look into this. 

[Boss]

It's been two years now, two years of sitting at home for most of us. There's a limit to what people will take. They said two jabs, and you get your freedom back, now it's: "take a booster, or you won't be able to travel." Soon it'll be: "take a booster, or you won't be able to leave your house". Then the fines and the threats of imprisonment will start.

 

It's not like this virus is going anywhere. So is it every three months, six months, for the rest of our lives? We're all just guinea pigs getting injected with vaccines that have no historical safety data. We have to wait over 50 years for the safety data to be released—created by pharmaceutical companies that we cannot sue for any damage that occurs.

 

If this thread shows anything, it shows the narrative they've been telling us all along is a lie: from masks not protecting against the virus; to the virus's origins at the wet market in Wuhan; to the WHO having our best interests at heart; to the suggestion that vaccine passports were a conspiracy theory... through to the promise that two vaccines will allow us to live unrestricted lives again. All 100% bullshit. At what stage are we going to start pushing back?

[TD_LFC]

19 minutes ago, Boss said:

It's been two years now, two years of sitting at home for most of us.

Been the best bit.

 

Waking up at 6:58 to start work at 7:00, not having to deal with transport or other people in transport, not having to listen to the same 'how was your weekend' story 15 times as different people roll into work.

 

 

[SasaS]

1 hour ago, A Red said:

I don't normally get involved in such piffling matters but the mrs has informed me that our upcoming trip to the US is going to cost us the best part of £400 in tests. I am now of the opinion that the whole thing is a conspiracy.

 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

1 hour ago, A Red said:

I don't normally get involved in such piffling matters but the mrs has informed me that our upcoming trip to the US is going to cost us the best part of £400 in tests. I am now of the opinion that the whole thing is a conspiracy.

I here Rhyl is beautiful this time of year.

[SasaS]

43 minutes ago, Boss said:

It's been two years now, two years of sitting at home for most of us. There's a limit to what people will take. They said two jabs, and you get your freedom back, now it's: "take a booster, or you won't be able to travel." Soon it'll be: "take a booster, or you won't be able to leave your house". Then the fines and the threats of imprisonment will start.

 

It's not like this virus is going anywhere. So is it every three months, six months, for the rest of our lives? We're all just guinea pigs getting injected with vaccines that have no historical safety data. We have to wait over 50 years for the safety data to be released—created by pharmaceutical companies that we cannot sue for any damage that occurs.

 

If this thread shows anything, it shows the narrative they've been telling us all along is a lie: from masks not protecting against the virus; to the virus's origins at the wet market in Wuhan; to the WHO having our best interests at heart; to the suggestion that vaccine passports were a conspiracy theory... through to the promise that two vaccines will allow us to live unrestricted lives again. All 100% bullshit. At what stage are we going to start pushing back?

Pushing back against what? You are in the fifth month of no restrictions, you will soon be asked to put on a mask in public transport and foreign travel will be restricted and monitored for a couple of weeks  until the panic over the new variant subsides.

[an tha]

36 minutes ago, SasaS said:

Pushing back against what? You are in the fifth month of no restrictions, you will soon be asked to put on a mask in public transport and foreign travel will be restricted and monitored for a couple of weeks  until the panic over the new variant subsides.

And then the next variant, and the one after that and the one after that, and the one after that......

 

Surely the time has to arrive sooner rather than later where it is accepted covid is an endemic illness and all we can really do is offer vaccine, encourage people to get vaccinated and vaccinate as many people as want to be vaccinated.

 

 

[Megadrive Man]

11 hours ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Gibraltar is a strange one. The official vaccine data seems to indicate that the amount of two dosed vaccinated people (just shy of 40k) exceeds the actual population of Gibraltar (just shy of 34k).

 

I'm no expert and might be missing something (if so, I'd genuinely like to know what?

 

A lot of people that work and socialise in Gibraltar choose to live across the border in Spain as it tends to be a lot cheaper to do this and then commute. It's mainly English speaking people, so I'm guessing that they are included in the figures. 

[3 Stacks]

What sense does it make if theoretically you're a government that wants to control its population with the help of a virus to market the end of restrictions as "freedom day", have no restrictions for months and then make up some new worst variant to bring restrictions back? Surely they'd just never get rid of restrictions if they wanted to control the population. They're just exercising a minimum of caution.

 

The UK have had it easy in terms of "freedom" during Covid. In Canada, we've had far fewer deaths per capita than the UK and masks are still required pretty much everywhere. I was at a Canada women's national team game last month and we had to wear a mask at the outdoor stadium. 

[Bjornebye]

On 28/11/2021 at 01:39, Bjornebye said:

What freedoms are you losing? 

 

15 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

Still looking forward to the answer to this. Not gonna get one am I ? 

 

8 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

You might have missed my question , what freedoms are you losing? 
 

Hope you had a good birthday x

[Bjornebye]

Just saying. 

[Iceman]

5 hours ago, Boss said:

It's been two years now, two years of sitting at home for most of us. There's a limit to what people will take. They said two jabs, and you get your freedom back, now it's: "take a booster, or you won't be able to travel." Soon it'll be: "take a booster, or you won't be able to leave your house". Then the fines and the threats of imprisonment will start.

 

It's not like this virus is going anywhere. So is it every three months, six months, for the rest of our lives? We're all just guinea pigs getting injected with vaccines that have no historical safety data. We have to wait over 50 years for the safety data to be released—created by pharmaceutical companies that we cannot sue for any damage that occurs.

 

If this thread shows anything, it shows the narrative they've been telling us all along is a lie: from masks not protecting against the virus; to the virus's origins at the wet market in Wuhan; to the WHO having our best interests at heart; to the suggestion that vaccine passports were a conspiracy theory... through to the promise that two vaccines will allow us to live unrestricted lives again. All 100% bullshit. At what stage are we going to start pushing back?

 

[Ne Moe Imya]

6 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

What if you’ve got your vaccines and can’t access medical care because the hospitals are full of people who haven’t? 

That only applies during the first month or so, though. After that, everyone who's going to get it has already had it and the crisis point is over. There will always be a trickle of serious cases, especially among the elderly and unvaccinated, but there won't be a "hospitals are full up" moment once that first big wave has gone through.

[TheHowieLama]

7 minutes ago, Ne Moe Imya said:

first big wave 

[Red Phoenix]

 

 

[Jose Jones]

What's this whole narrative talk all about?

Why are people expecting that "they" would have a whole story mapped out as to what would happen, and that has to have a proper beginning, middle and end?

There is no narrative, it's just shit that is happening and people/governments/whoever are just doing stuff to the best or worst of their abilities. 

[sh#t waffle]

'I'm a fishmonger, so I know when something doesn't smell right.'

[Captain Howdy]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

 

What?
 

[Red Phoenix]

Narrative collapse.

[Pureblood]

1 hour ago, Jose Jones said:

What's this whole narrative talk all about?

Why are people expecting that "they" would have a whole story mapped out as to what would happen, and that has to have a proper beginning, middle and end?

There is no narrative, it's just shit that is happening and people/governments/whoever are just doing stuff to the best or worst of their abilities. 

I'd say that one narrative is to jab as many people as possible.  When the JCVI refused to recommend jabs for teenagers, it was referred to the four CMOs of the UK and Chris Whitty then came up with some wishy washy nonsense that it would help kids through their education if they got jabbed and they would have fewer sick days etc. For those of you with kids at school age, how's that one working out?