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The talk amongst health care folks here in FL is that everyone will either have had it or been directly exposed to it within this calendar year - there is simply no place to "hide". That is not an option.

Larger part of that theory is it will be the same worldwide soon enough.

 

Keep the fingers crossed Skids!

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28 minutes ago, A Red said:

I know you didn't, I just asked what the repercussions would be if everyone had your stance. What do you think they would be? Do you think there would be more deaths and hospitalisations? 

 

 

Why worry about something that didn’t happen?

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3 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Why worry about something that didn’t happen?

Eh? Look, I'm just trying to follow your logic through, if everyone felt as you, do you think there would there be more covid deaths and hospitalisations?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, A Red said:

Eh? Look, I'm just trying to follow your logic through, if everyone felt as you, do you think there would there be more covid deaths and hospitalisations?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who knows. That’s not something I can answer. But hazarding a guess, I don’t think there would be much of a difference compared to what has happened. Plus, I don’t think it’s omething that would ever happen, as in everyone pulling in the same direction on this.

 

 

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Just now, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Who knows. That’s not something I can answer. 

So, by this answer I can only assume that you are not convinced that vaccines have had any effect and are waiting to see if they actually cause more health issues.

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6 minutes ago, A Red said:

So, by this answer I can only assume that you are not convinced that vaccines have had any effect and are waiting to see if they actually cause more health issues.

No to the first part (not sure how you could assume that I not convinced they are effective as I have never criticised the vaccine or said they aren’t effective) but the latter part yes. 
 

But how can I answer to something that isn’t happening? I’m not quite sure of the point you are trying to make here. 

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15 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Who knows. That’s not something I can answer. But hazarding a guess, I don’t think there would be much of a difference compared to what has happened. Plus, I don’t think it’s omething that would ever happen, as in everyone pulling in the same direction on this.

 

 

You don’t think there would be much of a difference if no-one took the vaccine? Come on mate.

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1 minute ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

No to the first part (not sure how you could assume that I not convinced they are effective as I have never criticised the vaccine or said they aren’t effective) but the latter part yes. 
 

But how can I answer to something that isn’t happening? I’m not quite sure of the point you are trying to make here. 

All the stats talking about the drop in deaths and hospitalisation due to vaccines leave you unconvinced. You are quite happy to wait until you are vaccinated and risk any bad pharma side effects, because, luckily for you, lots of other people have had them and are being the guinea pigs. 

 

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Skidders - you are on a hiding to nothing here man.

 

There is no reasonable rationale other than "I do not want to."

Trying to discuss further than that is a waste of everyone's time.

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10 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

I hazarded a guess. I didn’t say it was the right answer. 
 

 

 

My eyes just rolled out of the top of my head and onto a main road. If they get crushed it's your fault.

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Just now, A Red said:

All the stats talking about the drop in deaths and hospitalisation due to vaccines leave you unconvinced. You are quite happy to wait until you are vaccinated and risk any bad pharma side effects, because, luckily for you, lots of other people have had them and are being the guinea pigs. 

 

Mental

There is more to it than the short term (which is been my point all along, if you would actually read what I am saying) 

 

Why is it mental? I don’t want to be a test case. And I’m perfectly within my rights to do so. 
 

Others did (Rico iirc) and I am grateful for those people in taking that chance, same with any other disease and virus. Just because I am not looking to do that, doesn’t make it mental, (millions of others will feel the same) and doesn’t change who I am. I choose a different way in getting through this, it’s working for me and for my family, just as your way is working for you and yours. It seems that the respect is only one way though. On here and the wider social media network. 
 

The word bullying was used, and a lot of this is. A lot of it unintentional. But there are tones of trying to stick everyone into boxes, when it’s not that simple. 
 

Trying to call people out for something they are not, isn’t on. There is information out there on both sides that is fascinating. The issue in all of this is who is deciding what is information and what is disinformation. The lines are blurred in the actual truth in all of this. People are benefiting from this on both sides financially. All other factors come into it rather than it just being about the vaccine, and that is before you bring the mental conspiracy theories into it. 
 

Acceptance, letting go of the need to worry about what others are doing. Some of you might want to try it some time. 
 

I think I’ve discussed enough on this thread about where I stand, and respected those that have been heavily effected by all of this, and I have re-iterated my gratitude in not being effected in a negative way, yet I still feel that’s not enough.
 

It’s not enough until I come on with my finally gotten badge of honour. I won’t be pressured into making a decision by anyone but those that need to influence. I have taken a lot of fantastic opinions from all sides on this thread and it’s all been taken into consideration. However this is the last post I’m making on it. I’ll still read, but anyone who has responded after this. I’m not responding. 

 

Stay safe and hope it all works out for you all. 

 

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1 minute ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

There is more to it than the short term (which is been my point all along, if you would actually read what I am saying) 

 

Why is it mental? I don’t want to be a test case. And I’m perfectly within my rights to do so. 
 

Others did (Rico iirc) and I am grateful for those people in taking that chance, same with any other disease and virus. Just because I am not looking to do that, doesn’t make it mental, (millions of others will feel the same) and doesn’t change who I am. I choose a different way in getting through this, it’s working for me and for my family, just as your way is working for you and yours. It seems that the respect is only one way though. On here and the wider social media network. 
 

The word bullying was used, and a lot of this is. A lot of it unintentional. But there are tones of trying to stick everyone into boxes, when it’s not that simple. 
 

Trying to call people out for something they are not, isn’t on. There is information out there on both sides that is fascinating. The issue in all of this is who is deciding what is information and what is disinformation. The lines are blurred in the actual truth in all of this. People are benefiting from this on both sides financially. All other factors come into it rather than it just being about the vaccine, and that is before you bring the mental conspiracy theories into it. 
 

Acceptance, letting go of the need to worry about what others are doing. Some of you might want to try it some time. 
 

I think I’ve discussed enough on this thread about where I stand, and respected those that have been heavily effected by all of this, and I have re-iterated my gratitude in not being effected in a negative way, yet I still feel that’s not enough.
 

It’s not enough until I come on with my finally gotten badge of honour. I won’t be pressured into making a decision by anyone but those that need to influence. I have taken a lot of fantastic opinions from all sides on this thread and it’s all been taken into consideration. However this is the last post I’m making on it. I’ll still read, but anyone who has responded after this. I’m not responding. 

 

Stay safe and hope it all works out for you all. 

 

Ok, fair enough you do what you have got to do, no bullying intended. Luckily for society as a whole you are in a minority. 

 

I would gently suggest though, for the sake of you and your family, that you take a look at the effect vaccines have had on covid deaths and serious illness hospitalisations.

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Why oh why do people getting on planes never moan about ‘big-aeronautics’ or getting in a lift ‘big-civil engineering’?  
 

For years on here people have been moaning we have no society, people don’t care about each other and the minute there’s a real life and real life-or-death chance to put your money where your mouth is there’s excuse after excuse. 
 

Can you call yourself a socialist and not get the jab?  You want me to pay more tax and you won’t get a vaccine that has been proven to save lives. Nah. 

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4 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

I think the UK experience of the virus/vaccine has put an end to the idea of a socialist future in the UK. There's no genuine widespread collective ideals any more, a lot of people on the hard left value their individual freedom more than the well being of the frail and vulnerable. It get dressed up as an anti vax, anti pharma narrative but fundamentally its the triumph of Thatcherism. 

Well it was going to be her or the Jews.  

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4 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Yes but so does tax avoidance and shoplifting, the gain to the individual is > the cost to society so why not do it ? 

 

Of course, the system couldn't sustain everyone doing it, but you know the people at the top have crunched the numbers and they know enough people will get vaccinated. Because if they thought that sufficient numbers of people wouldn't get vaccinated voluntarily, there'd be serious calls for vaccines to be mandatory.

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23 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

I think the UK experience of the virus/vaccine has put an end to the idea of a socialist future in the UK. There's no genuine widespread collective ideals any more, a lot of people on the hard left value their individual freedom more than the well being of the frail and vulnerable. It get dressed up as an anti vax, anti pharma narrative but fundamentally its the triumph of Thatcherism. 

What evidence do you have of 'the hard left' being anti vaxxers?

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1 minute ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

I have just seen a report from the US where a lot of the people now getting sick and entering hospital have refused the vaccine. That's the point, if you don't get the vaccine you are almost invariably going to get sick and may have to go into hospital at the expense of somebody waiting for cancer treatment etc. That's your choice but you make that choice knowing you are placing your individual beliefs above the collective well being of society. 

 

I really don't think it's as clear cut as that, especially not when vaccination rates are high.

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9 minutes ago, Rushies tash said:

What evidence do you have of 'the hard left' being anti vaxxers?

Most of the visible anti-vaxxers in this country appear to be from the rabid right.

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The CDC are back to recommending that certain vaccinated people start wearing mask again indoors, in certain circumstances. This is to include vaccinated people who live with/have close contact with immunosuppressed people and who live with unvaccinated people, such as children under the age of 12.

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