Coronavirus

[Colonel Bumcunt]

I honestly don't see the way out of this. 

 

You catch it, it mutates into something more deadly, you catch it again, it mutates again, etc. 

 

It needs eradication, we can't live like this.

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

I honestly don't see the way out of this. 

 

You catch it, it mutates into something more deadly, you catch it again, it mutates again, etc. 

 

It needs eradication, we can't live like this.

Bit late for that plan.

[Sugar Ape]

Latest on Ivermectin…

 

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/jul/16/huge-study-supporting-ivermectin-as-covid-treatment-withdrawn-over-ethical-concerns

 

Quote

 

A medical student in London, Jack Lawrence, was among the first to identify serious concerns about the paper, leading to the retraction. He first became aware of the Elgazzar preprint when it was assigned to him by one of his lecturers for an assignment that formed part of his master’s degree. He found the introduction section of the paper appeared to have been almost entirely plagiarised.

 

It appeared that the authors had run entire paragraphs from press releases and websites about ivermectin and Covid-19 through a thesaurus to change key words. “Humorously, this led to them changing ‘severe acute respiratory syndrome’ to ‘extreme intense respiratory syndrome’ on one occasion,” Lawrence said.

 

[Section_31]

36 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

I honestly don't see the way out of this. 

 

You catch it, it mutates into something more deadly, you catch it again, it mutates again, etc. 

 

It needs eradication, we can't live like this.

I don't think anything unexpected is happening to be fair. The vaccines don't eliminate the virus they prrovide some protection against hospitalizaton and death. Viruses mutate all the time, and they're being gene sequenced all the time so we get to know about them constantly.

 

The stats which are out there are still decent, something like 95% effective after two jabs against hospitalizaton even with Delta..

 

Cases were always gonna go up because lockdowns bottle it up, then it runs wild. The key was to have some protection in place when it happens. It's like having a bear outside your log cabin and trying to hold the door shut until you've had time to load your gun.

[Davelfc]

Boris Johnson could be forced to order new Covid lockdown curbs in five weeks, Chris Whitty has warned just days before Monday's "Freedom Day".

 

The Chief Medical Officer sounded the alarm over a potential "scary" growth in hospitalisations which could leave the NHS "in trouble again surprisingly fast" once restrictions are lifted.

 

The top medic said if hospital admissions begin doubling and the jabs rollout was not "topping out" the pandemic, in "five, six, seven eight weeks' time" the Prime Minister may need to "look again" at restrictions.

 

It comes after Mr Johnson insisted Brits must "learn to live with Covid" and ignored calls to keep the legal requirement for face masks in enclosed spaces beyond Sunday.

 

Speaking at a British Science Museum event, Professor Whitty underlined that epidemics are "either doubling or they're halving", adding: "And currently this epidemic is doubling. It's doubling in cases. It is also doubling in people going to hospital, and it's doubling in deaths."
 

He said that the doubling time for hospital cases was "around three weeks" and while the number of hospitalisations was "mercifully much lower", it was "not trivial".

 

He said: "We've still got over 2000 people in hospital, and that number is increasing. "If we double from 2000 to 4000, from 4000 to 8000, to 8000 and so on, it doesn't take many doubling times till you're into very very large numbers indeed."

 

Professor Whitty added that medics could soon be faced with "scary numbers again", adding: "I don't think we should underestimate the fact that we could get into trouble again, surprisingly fast."

 

He added that more people could be fighting the disease in hospital "in five, six, seven, eight weeks' time", and went on: "They could actually be really quite serious... at that point if it looks as if things are not topping out, we do have to look again and see where we think things are going. "

[Mudface]

10 minutes ago, Poster said:

Boris Johnson could be forced to order new Covid lockdown curbs in five weeks, Chris Whitty has warned just days before Monday's "Freedom Day".

 

The Chief Medical Officer sounded the alarm over a potential "scary" growth in hospitalisations which could leave the NHS "in trouble again surprisingly fast" once restrictions are lifted.

 

The top medic said if hospital admissions begin doubling and the jabs rollout was not "topping out" the pandemic, in "five, six, seven eight weeks' time" the Prime Minister may need to "look again" at restrictions.

 

It comes after Mr Johnson insisted Brits must "learn to live with Covid" and ignored calls to keep the legal requirement for face masks in enclosed spaces beyond Sunday.

 

Speaking at a British Science Museum event, Professor Whitty underlined that epidemics are "either doubling or they're halving", adding: "And currently this epidemic is doubling. It's doubling in cases. It is also doubling in people going to hospital, and it's doubling in deaths."
 

He said that the doubling time for hospital cases was "around three weeks" and while the number of hospitalisations was "mercifully much lower", it was "not trivial".

 

He said: "We've still got over 2000 people in hospital, and that number is increasing. "If we double from 2000 to 4000, from 4000 to 8000, to 8000 and so on, it doesn't take many doubling times till you're into very very large numbers indeed."

 

Professor Whitty added that medics could soon be faced with "scary numbers again", adding: "I don't think we should underestimate the fact that we could get into trouble again, surprisingly fast."

 

He added that more people could be fighting the disease in hospital "in five, six, seven, eight weeks' time", and went on: "They could actually be really quite serious... at that point if it looks as if things are not topping out, we do have to look again and see where we think things are going. "

FFS, this cunt should either speak out before the Tories' latest stupidity or he should fucking resign. TK was right. (About this, not Ivermectin or vaccines.)

[Davelfc]

Bugger, just pinged me.

 

 

 

 

[Sugar Ape]

Whitty has given a few interviews/lectures the last couple of weeks where he is a lot more cautious than what he says when he’s on telly with Johnson. 
 

I think he’s probably in a situation where he wants to stay because he knows if he quits they’ll get some lockdown sceptic in to replace him a la Javid with Hancock and that will just make things worse, but things can’t get much worse than dropping all measures including masks so if he doesn’t agree he should speak out properly instead of legitimising Johnson. 
 

If it goes tits up him and Vallance will get the blame with leaks to the Tory press instead of Javid and co, no doubt about it.  

[Curly]

Have a read of this from the lancet. Really interesting and detailed look at long covid. Even goes into how the symptoms clump together and all mine I mentioned fall into chapter 3 - mad how it’s doing that and makes me think I’m not going mad or just being a hypochondriac! 
 

If you’ve thought or wondered, this is very detailed and interesting as I say…

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00299-6/fulltext

[Mudface]

4 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

Whitty has given a few interviews/lectures the last couple of weeks where he is a lot more cautious than what he says when he’s on telly with Johnson. 
 

I think he’s probably in a situation where he wants to stay because he knows if he quits they’ll get some lockdown sceptic in to replace him a la Javid with Hancock and that will just make things worse, but things can’t get much worse than dropping all measures including masks so if he doesn’t agree he should speak out properly instead of legitimising Johnson. 
 

If it goes tits up him and Vallance will get the blame with leaks to the Tory press instead of Javid and co, no doubt about it.  

In a normal universe, both of them should have been sacked or resigned a long time ago. Our response to this has been utterly appalling, and continues to be so. 

[Mudface]

35 minutes ago, Poster said:

Bugger, just pinged me.

 

 

 

 

Hope you're OK, fella and don't lose out because of this.

 

On a wider note, this just illustrates the utter failure of our Covid policy (or complete abdication of government policy more like) . This sort of contact tracing is supposed to kick in when cases are low, so public health teams can try and quash local outbreaks. When you've got the rampant number of cases the UK currently have, it's fucking stupid. Over £30 billion spent on this bollocks, and it's still completely useless. 

[Red Phoenix]

From Caroline Lucas :

 

Government is recklessly washing its hands of coronavirus responsibility

Remember the days when Boris Johnson said he would be ‘guided by the science’ in the response to coronavirus?

If he ever did follow scientific advice, he has now abandoned all pretence of it. In the face of rising infection rates, which his own health secretary has said may reach 100,000 a day, all restrictions are to be cast aside on 19 July.

In future, public health will be a matter of ‘personal responsibility’. It’s hard to think of a more reckless and irresponsible gamble.

The Office for National Statistics calculates that as many as one in 10 who are infected end up with long Covid, and all ages can be affected. The Chief Medical Advisor says there’s likely to be a ‘significant’ increase in long Covid cases, particularly amongst the young because the vaccination rates are currently much lower.

For some sufferers, those impacts are severe – they’re unable to work or go out to socialise, some cannot even walk.

So while the vaccines have weakened the chance of dying from Covid-19, this gamble risks seeing thousands of people a day contracting a virus that will damage their lives for months, perhaps years. That is this Government’s Covid strategy and there is still no proper support in place for the hundreds of thousands who are suffering from it.

I fully understand the impact that social distancing measures and the forced closure of places like night clubs has had on people’s livelihoods and local economies, which is why I have pressed for acceptable government support for businesses affected by Covid restrictions.

I also understand people’s frustration and desire for life to get back to normal, so they can go out and enjoy themselves as they did in the days before coronavirus.

But we are all in this together, we are very far from being free of Covid, and the freedom of most people to act how they want may well end up severely restricting the freedom of others to carry out even the most ordinary everyday tasks.

I have heard from constituents who suffer from immuno-suppression, have severe underlying health conditions or are otherwise at risk, who now fear they won’t be able even to go shopping in the local supermarket or catch a bus or train because there will be no requirement for social distancing or mask-wearing.

Already two senior government ministers, housing minister Robert Jenrick and Chancellor Rishi Sunak have said they would be abandoning their masks as soon as possible – never mind the impact on other people.

That is how they will be exercising their ‘personal responsibility’.

Governments recognised decades ago that public health and safety should not be left to personal responsibility. That is why it passed laws to make petrol lead-free, why there are speed limits on roads, and why smoking is banned indoors in public places.

Yet in the midst of a pandemic, which scientists warn is not over, public health is being left to individual choice.

Since Jenrick’s and Sunak’s reckless comments, the Prime Minister and others in the Cabinet have tried to rein back on this. Boris Johnson has urged caution, the vaccines minister Nadhim Zahawi has spoken of ‘guidelines’ for mask wearing in crowded spaces, which will be a matter of ‘personal and corporate responsibility’.

But they are trying to shut the stable door long after some of their own Cabinet colleagues held it wide open. Leaving a matter of life-changing and even life-threatening public health to ‘corporate responsibility’ is an abandonment of Government’s own responsibility for the welfare of its citizens.

What is even more alarming about the Government’s full-scale rush to lift all Covid restrictions is that one of the cheerleaders of this approach is the health secretary – the minister whose job description is to look after the interests of the NHS.

It seems his only concern for the NHS, its exhausted staff and the millions of patients waiting for treatment, is to alert them to the terrifying projections of how many people are likely to be infected with Covid, and how long the waiting lists will grow – up to 13million within months.

With only two thirds of adults fully vaccinated against Covid, there are huge numbers of people who remain at risk.

The Government’s approach needs to be called out for what it is: a Darwinian strategy to reach herd immunity through natural infection. It’s hard to imagine a more dangerous gamble with public health.

 

https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/14/government-is-recklessly-washing-its-hands-of-covid-responsibility-14922184/

 

 

[Brownie]

I spoke too soon yesterday, the second jab has wiped me out, I just feel absolutely done in and lethargic.

[Davelfc]

13 minutes ago, Brownie said:

I spoke too soon yesterday, the second jab has wiped me out, I just feel absolutely done in and lethargic.

I was fine the day of the jab (Pfizer) and the day after. But the day after that I was really tired and needed a daytime nap. Then I was absolutely fine. 

 

 

[Rico1304]

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/jul/16/huge-study-supporting-ivermectin-as-covid-treatment-withdrawn-over-ethical-concerns

[Mudface]

8 minutes ago, Brownie said:

I spoke too soon yesterday, the second jab has wiped me out, I just feel absolutely done in and lethargic.

I had absolutely the same- just for a couple of days, then I was back to my usual sense of ennui and lack of energy. Did you have the AZ vaccine?

[Vincent Vega]

12 hours ago, MegadriveMan said:

 

Hasn't posted since his Chris Witty assessment. 

 

The way cases are rising, he's either caught it or in some sort of military air raid shelter?  

 

[Captain Turdseye]

Fantastic excuse for being antisocial and/or a lazy bastard though. Our landlady contracts the management of the house out to an estate agent. They’d ordinarily ‘inspect’ the place once or twice a year but obviously they haven’t been able to recently. They were meant to come today so I decided to paint the kitchen the other day, after having the floor finally finished. I done myself in before managing to get the last of the second coat on and start the glossing so I just bought myself a couple more weeks to do it by pretending that I’d been contacted by the app and told to self isolate. 
 

I mean, you’re welcome to come and snoop around my house but YOU MIGHT DIE

[Brownie]

20 minutes ago, Mudface said:

I had absolutely the same- just for a couple of days, then I was back to my usual sense of ennui and lack of energy. Did you have the AZ vaccine?

No mate, Pfizer. My missus was bad after both doses so I was enjoying calling her weak yesterday and referring to myself as Iron Man.

 

She’s particularly enjoying the turn of events.

[Rico1304]

All the resources spent on this, just to prove it doesn’t work to a load of nutters who won’t believe it anyway.  

[Red Phoenix]

59 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/jul/16/huge-study-supporting-ivermectin-as-covid-treatment-withdrawn-over-ethical-concerns

 

Ivermectin is available as a generic drug so we might not be reading much truth about it if it's a threat to big pharma profits.

 

[Mudface]

14 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Ivermectin is available as a generic drug so we might not be reading much truth about it if it's a threat to big pharma profits.

 

Did you read the article? Not only is the paper in question fraudulent with numerous inaccuracies and made-up data, it's also so wildly off that it's skewed the combined results of several meta-analyses towards a positive outcome. It's really dangerous that obvious bullshit like this is not only taken seriously but actively promoted by the anti-vax grifter mob.

 

I'm not exactly a fan of 'big pharma', but this sort of scam has been going for ever-

 

[Red Phoenix]

11 minutes ago, Mudface said:

Did you read the article? Not only is the paper in question fraudulent with numerous inaccuracies and made-up data, it's also so wildly off that it's skewed the combined results of several meta-analyses towards a positive outcome.

 

Yep, sounds like a right mess. It could be that it's crap for treating this but even if it wasn't I'm not sure if we'd find out if there's more cash to be made via drugs currently being developed.

[Elite]

13 minutes ago, Mudface said:

 

 

Without derailing the thread, do they sell that stuff anywhere in the UK? Looks just what I need.

[Mudface]

3 minutes ago, Elite said:

Without derailing the thread, do they sell that stuff anywhere in the UK? Looks just what I need.

I can sell you 10 gallons of it for £99.99. 20% discount if you sign up to the 'Suckers' tier of my Patreon and make 10 Facebook posts about it in the first 2 weeks.