Coronavirus

[Section_31]

I'm not typically into conspiracy theories but a fucked up disease which baffles experts just happening to emerge in batshit not in Bangkok, no, but in a Chinese city with an advanced bio research lab funded by the yanks to do shit that's illegal in the west isn't quite 'the moon landings are fake' levels of far fetched.

[Rico1304]

9 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

I'm not typically into conspiracy theories but a fucked up disease which baffles experts just happening to emerge in batshit not in Bangkok, no, but in a Chinese city with an advanced bio research lab funded by the yanks to do shit that's illegal in the west isn't quite 'the moon landings are fake' levels of far fetched.

Remember when the Russians poisoned some people in the U.K. and the proximity of Porton Down was an used as a reason to suspect it was the English secret services. 

[Curly]

5 hours ago, Mudface said:

This is good, nicely dismantles the moronic questions from the interviewer and the piss poor government performance.

 

 

Fuck me. How depressing is that. I’m not sure if she’s just arguing for argument’s sake there, or she is actually churning that shite out. That long covid point she tried to make…gobsmacked. Fair play to the epidemiologist there.

 

That’s done my head in. Like arguing with a teenager. “Covid? Yeah? Well what about cancer? Long covid is it? Well that’s here already”. Jesus

[Chris]

9 hours ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

Haha it's like del boy taking the bulb out of the oil warning light. 

More like Del Boy cleaning a chandelier.

[Chris]

6 hours ago, 3 Stacks said:

Whether it was a lab leak or not is almost a moot point because there's a 99% chance it won't come to light anyway. 

 

Either way, we should make as if it's zoonotic and stop doing all this nonsense with wild animals and fucking with their habitats. Could probably also do with improving lab safety protocols and gain of function stuff, while we're at it. 

 

Someone knows. It's absolutely paramount that we find out to even attempt to prevent it from happening again. And if the Chinese are behind it, it's also extremely vital they pay a price for it.

[Chris]

6 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

A quite impressively stupid interviewer.

 

Fucking hell, even for Sky News that's an impressive level of dumb cunt-ness.

[Red Phoenix]

I wonder how many Tories even spend any time at all thinking about this : Covid ‘freedom day’ means nothing of the sort for clinically vulnerable people

 

Maybe they're just thought of as another cull or something.

[Jose Jones]

17 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

Aung San Suu Kyi won the Nobel peace prize, they get it wrong sometimes! I don't know if it's a propganda war against the Chinese or not. What is fucking certain are most governments are a bunch of cunts, so ruling things out or in is impossible, because they're all always lying to us. I would trust the Chinese about the least. 

Peter Doherty is pretty legit. He has a whole research institute named after him here in Melbourne (the Doherty Institute of Immunity & Infectious Disease) that was the first place in the world to sequence the COVID virus DNA.

They’ve also been doing a fair bit of testing of therapeutics and have developed an mRNA vaccine too. 

I’ve had a couple of projects with them, one therapeutic and one diagnostic one.

[SasaS]

So, numbers are going up now in Netherlands, Cyprus and Greece, after Portugal and Spain. Who says British influence in Europe is waning?  

[Elite]

50 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

Peter Doherty is pretty legit. He has a whole research institute named after him here in Melbourne (the Doherty Institute of Immunity & Infectious Disease) that was the first place in the world to sequence the COVID virus DNA.

They’ve also been doing a fair bit of testing of therapeutics and have developed an mRNA vaccine too. 

I’ve had a couple of projects with them, one therapeutic and one diagnostic one.

Come a long way since The Libertines.

[sir roger]

59 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

Peter Doherty is pretty legit. He has a whole research institute named after him here in Melbourne (the Doherty Institute of Immunity & Infectious Disease) that was the first place in the world to sequence the COVID virus DNA.

They’ve also been doing a fair bit of testing of therapeutics and have developed an mRNA vaccine too. 

I’ve had a couple of projects with them, one therapeutic and one diagnostic one.

The early Libertines stuff was ok , but he fell off a cliff after that.

[Bjornebye]

9 minutes ago, sir roger said:

The early Libertines stuff was ok , but he fell off a cliff after that.

Yeah two very good albums with them. I wouldn’t be surprised if covid developed on his pillow in his old flat in Camden 

[Sugar Ape]

From The Times today. 
 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/englands-nervous-scientists-know-covid-will-not-vanish-on-july-19-rxx27r2nd

 

England’s nervous scientists know Covid will not vanish on July 19

 

 

No one around Boris Johnson is under any illusions about how tough the next eight months are going to be.

Despite all the public talk of “freedom day” a week on Monday, when the vast majority of remaining restrictions will be lifted, in private Downing Street aides, government scientific advisers and Tory MPs feel trepidation.

Before Johnson made the decision to tentatively go ahead with easing restrictions on July 19 he was shown projections that further relaxations would inevitably lead to a third wave of Covid-19 this summer. Not only was 100,000 cases a day a realistic prospect next month but this would lead to a further concerning spike in hospital admissions.

 

He was also warned that a fourth wave in the autumn and winter was almost inevitable. This, he was told, could put huge pressures on the NHS, especially if combined with a surge in flu. The consensus view was that freedom day will not be July 19 at all, but April next year at the earliest.

 

Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer, said this week that we may not get back to normal until next spring and is privately said to be very concerned that people will not take to heart the need to carry on with precautions after legal restrictions are lifted.

The prime minister himself, though, was determined to press ahead. During the spring Johnson was nervous about the predicted summer surge, telling officials he was worried that the public had not yet woken up to the fact that as restriction lifted infections would rise despite the vaccine rollout.

Now it is here, his optimism has reasserted itself, to the disquiet of some of his scientific advisers.

After Johnson insisted that vaccines had “severed the link between infection and serious disease” — when in fact it has been weakened but still exists — one Sage member grumbled: “One is never quite sure whether the prime minister misunderstands, or is just using popular rhetoric.”

This is denied by Downing Street, with officials insisting that the prime minister is well aware of the perils ahead but took the view, backed by the scientists, that it was better to unlock over summer to coincide with school holidays than to wait and potentially make things worse in the autumn.

“It was the same discussion in private as it was in public: if not now then when,” said one government source.

“The view is that we’ve got to start living with the virus. But there is definitely a lot of caution and an acknowledgement that things are likely to get more difficult.”

Urgent planning is under way to develop strategies to manage further waves without having to reimpose lockdown restrictions. But it is noticeable that the prime minister has stopped saying that freedoms are “irreversible” and instead has taken to saying he will “do everything possible to avoid reimposing restrictions”.

Key to this are so-called vaccine passports, which, despite having been ruled out for the immediate future, are very much part of Whitehall’s medium-term planning. Under a plan being developed, a Covid certification scheme could be introduced after September, when all adults in England will have had the chance to get their second jab.

Introducing it from July 19 was seen to be unfair, as many young people would not have been eligible for both vaccines and would have to rely on less accurate and more cumbersome testing.

But in the autumn ministers think it could be introduced as a way of keeping the night-time economy, in particular, functioning, as well as providing a strong incentive for young people who have yet to do so to get jabbed.

Yet there is nervousness about whether this would work. Senior scientific advisers are understood to believe that certification is unlikely to be able to keep venues open if cases are rising sharply. Pilot events suggest that requiring a negative test as a condition of entry can reduce transmission at current levels of infection, but it is thought that at much higher levels the virus will find a way through gaps in the system.

“There is a fairly narrow window where this is useful — and if cases are rising exponentially you burst through that window pretty quickly,” one senior official said.

The prospect of another eight months of yo-yoing restrictions and potential lockdowns is beginning to prey on the minds of backbenchers. They fear that the already waning vaccine bounce could disappear entirely when the public realises that it is not the silver bullet that can eliminate Covid.

One Conservative MP said they were anxious that their constituents did not seem to realise that the reimposition of restrictions was possible later this year. “It’s great to have businesses telling you how optimistic they are but I do worry no one knows this could get bad again,” they said.

“I’d love to say we’re all about to start talking about other things but that is clearly not where we are going.”

And there is a fear that if the public conversation does change, it will move on to why public services are struggling to return to normal. This will be felt most keenly in the NHS. Chris Hopson, head of the hospitals’ group NHS Providers, fears that they will go from dealing with a summer surge to a winter that will be even more difficult than normal.

“Trust leaders are not saying the government shouldn’t relax restrictions. It has to be done at some stage,” he said. “But ministers need to be clear about the risks. Given current pressures, patients on the waiting list will have to wait longer for treatment and there are real, growing, concerns about long Covid and unvaccinated young people.”

With the NHS backlog of 5.3 million expected to reach up to nine million by the end of the year, senior figures are worried about the return of long waits for routine care as a key political issue. Another bailout is expected but amid widespread staff shortages, one warns of a nightmare scenario where they put in a lot more money and the service is still terrible.

One MP added: “I don’t think people have realised how rocky this is going to be. Taxes are going to have to go up and public services are going to get worse. What about that says Vote Tory? We need to come up with a story.”

A minister said they expected a difficult winter for the cabinet as they made decisions about which elements of the Covid recovery to prioritise.

“Schools catch-up showed us how this is going to go,” they said. “Everything is a good cause but you can’t throw money after everything at the same time — certainly Rishi doesn’t want to. So there’s going to be lots of people angry at us.”

One senior Conservative source said they were worried about levels of compliance if restrictions were reimposed. “It’s much harder to tell people to put their lives on hold in order to ‘stop the spread’ once they’ve stopped the spread three times already and had a vaccine they thought would make life normal again. We are going to have to work really hard to make sure you don’t just have a massive refusal to follow the rules.”

Officials working on the vaccine booster programme — adults aged over 50 and anyone who usually requires a flu jab are likely to be given a third dose in the autumn — have started discussing a new phrase: “vaccine fatigue”.

Whereas vaccine hesitancy has been a problem among groups reluctant to trust the authorities’ medical advice, fatigue is seen as a possibility among those who will be frustrated to learn that their first two doses were not enough. Some expect diminishing uptake with each booster programme. “Realistically we are going to be doing this every year for a long time, but I’m not sure people grasp that,” one person involved said.

[SasaS]

From the moss?

[Bruce Spanner]

Germany overtook us yesterday on people vaccinated, Italy and France catching up rapidly on population coverage.

 

And there goes the last thing they had going for them.

[SasaS]

5 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Germany overtook us yesterday on people vaccinated, Italy and France catching up rapidly on population coverage.

 

And there goes the last thing they had going for them.

Belgium and Netherlands are bigger threats. Once you go over 50-55 percent one jab, it gets tricky.

[Sugar Ape]

 

[Bjornebye]

10 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

 

Genuine headtheballs 

[Bjornebye]

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

 

 

 

 

[Barrington Womble]

2 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Germany overtook us yesterday on people vaccinated, Italy and France catching up rapidly on population coverage.

 

And there goes the last thing they had going for them.

What the fuck is going on with our roll out? Have they run out of vaccines or people who want it? We're only averaging about 100k doses per day now. We were doing 5 times that before Easter. 

[Bruce Spanner]

12 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

What the fuck is going on with our roll out? Have they run out of vaccines or people who want it? We're only averaging about 100k doses per day now. We were doing 5 times that before Easter. 

 

AZ not being used on the under thirties is hitting us hard and supplies of the others are sparodic.

 

The EU now have enough physical vaccine to do 70% of the population(s) now, so they are really ramping up.

 

It took them a while to get out of the blocks, but they're getting there now very quickly.

 

Also, they exported a lot outside the bloc.

[Brownie]

11 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

What the fuck is going on with our roll out? Have they run out of vaccines or people who want it? We're only averaging about 100k doses per day now. We were doing 5 times that before Easter. 

Massive assumption on my part because I haven’t seen any data but the younger age groups aren’t arsed about being vaccinated?

[Jairzinho]

41 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Genuine headtheballs 

[Daisy]

The vaccines are doing fuck all to stop the spread now. Loads of people I know are double jabbed and have it or got it recently. Can only hope it keeps hospital admissions low