Coronavirus

[Bjornebye]

20 minutes ago, DJLJ said:

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizer-ask-fda-authorize-booster-dose-covid-vaccine-delta-variant-spreads-2021-07-08/
 

looks like we will all start getting 3rd jabs. 
 

Pfizer to ask FDA to authorize booster dose of COVID vaccine as Delta variant spreads

Michael Erman

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Syringe and vial are seen in front of displayed new Pfizer logo in this illustration taken, June 24, 2021. REUTERS/Dado Ruvic

NEW YORK, July 8 (Reuters) - Pfizer Inc (PFE.N)plans to ask U.S. regulators to authorize a booster dose of its COVID-19 vaccine within the next month, the drugmaker's top scientist said on Thursday, based on evidence of greater risk of reinfection six months after inoculation and due to the spread of the highly contagious Delta variant.

Pfizer Chief Scientific Officer Mikael Dolsten said the recently reported dip in the vaccine's effectiveness in Israel was mostly due to infections in people who had been vaccinated in January or February. The country's health ministry said vaccine effectiveness in preventing both infection and symptomatic disease fell to 64% in June. read more 

"The Pfizer vaccine is highly active against the Delta variant," Dolsten said in an interview. But after six months, he said, "there likely is the risk of reinfection as antibodies, as predicted, wane."

Pfizer did not release the full set of Israeli data on Thursday, but said it would be published soon.

He stressed that data from Israel and Britain suggests that even with waning antibody levels, the vaccine remains around 95% effective against severe disease.

The vaccine, developed with German partner BioNTech SE , showed 95% efficacy in preventing symptomatic COVID-19 in a clinical trial the companies ran last year.

Dolsten said that early data from the company's own studies shows that a third booster dose generates antibody levels that are five to 10-fold higher than after the second dose, suggesting that a third dose will offer promising protection.

He said that multiple countries in Europe and elsewhere have already approached Pfizer to discuss booster doses, and that some may begin administering them before a potential U.S. authorization.

Dolsten said he believes that boooster shots are particularly important in older age groups.

Because boosters will drive increasing demand for vaccines as much of the world is still unvaccinated, Dolsten said Pfizer is looking at ways to boost production.

Pfizer is already targeting production of 3 billion doses this year and 4 billion doses next year. Dolsten declined to give a forecast of exactly how many more doses the company could add, but said "we can step up billion after billion in '22."

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla has said people will likely need a booster dose of the company’s vaccine every 12 months - similar to an annual flu shot. But some scientists question when, or whether, such shots will be needed. read more

Are they horrified that nobody has turned into a telly yet? 

[johnsusername]

22 hours ago, Edward. said:

I've had both jabs last one in April, tested positive today. Feel like shit.

Not good. How are you feeling now mate? Is this the first time you've had it? 

[M_B]

2 hours ago, Captain Turdseye said:

Calling it a ‘conspiracy theory’ should be reserved for the zoonotic explanation. 

That article states that the miners got their infection from bats.

 

Also "In an October 2013 Nature study, Shi Zhengli reported a key discovery: that certain bat viruses could potentially infect humans without first jumping to an intermediate animal. By isolating a live SARS-like bat coronavirus for the first time, her team had found that it could enter human cells through a protein called the ACE2 receptor."

 

"In subsequent studies in 2014 and 2016, Shi and her colleagues continued studying samples of bat viruses collected from the mine shaft, hoping to figure out which one had infected the miners. The bats were bristling with multiple coronaviruses. "

 

I have no idea if it came from the lab and I'm not a scientist, but it seems to me that virologists accept that the virus can jump from bat to human.

[Edward.]

19 minutes ago, johnsusername said:

Not good. How are you feeling now mate? Is this the first time you've had it? 

Yep first time. been in bed in and out of fever type symptoms. Had some pretty crazy dreams too.

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Edward. said:

Yep first time. been in bed in and out of fever type symptoms. Had some pretty crazy dreams too.

 

 

[Captain Turdseye]

8 minutes ago, M_B said:

That article states that the miners got their infection from bats.

 

Also "In an October 2013 Nature study, Shi Zhengli reported a key discovery: that certain bat viruses could potentially infect humans without first jumping to an intermediate animal. By isolating a live SARS-like bat coronavirus for the first time, her team had found that it could enter human cells through a protein called the ACE2 receptor."

 

"In subsequent studies in 2014 and 2016, Shi and her colleagues continued studying samples of bat viruses collected from the mine shaft, hoping to figure out which one had infected the miners. The bats were bristling with multiple coronaviruses. "

 

I have no idea if it came from the lab and I'm not a scientist, but it seems to me that virologists accept that the virus can jump from bat to human.

It also says that inner city people don’t come into contact with bats during the winter. 
 

There’s a hell of a lot more smoke around it coming from the lab. That’s a lengthy article and it’s pretty hard to dispute that they’re hiding something when they’re getting trapped in blatant lies. 

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

It also says that inner city people don’t come into contact with bats during the winter. 
 

There’s a hell of a lot more smoke around it coming from the lab. That’s a lengthy article and it’s pretty hard to dispute that they’re hiding something when they’re getting trapped in blatant lies. 

What about the conspiracy that covid doesn't exist and the world are trying to just make people wear masks to make them uncomfortable and get injected with trackers? No smoke without fire...... Or a Bat Signal.... 

[M_B]

10 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

It also says that inner city people don’t come into contact with bats during the winter. 
 

There’s a hell of a lot more smoke around it coming from the lab. That’s a lengthy article and it’s pretty hard to dispute that they’re hiding something when they’re getting trapped in blatant lies. 

They are definitely hiding something I agree, but you could just conclude they were attempting to protect their funding.

 

But yes it's fertile ground for a conspiracy theory.

 

 

For example, this article by Oxford University says there were no bats or pangolins for sale in the market. Pangolins were originally stated to be the suspected go between.

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-91470-2

 

That being said the market did have (it's talking about wild animals)

 

"47,381 individuals from 38 species, including 31 protected species, all kept in dreadful conditions and teeming with all kinds of other infectious diseases, ready to be slaughtered on demand, if not sold as pet "

 

Thats a lot of wild animals. It's not beyond the imagination to suspect one of them was infected by a bat.

[cochyn]

3 hours ago, Captain Turdseye said:

That’s pretty damning, even without going even deeper into the hyperlinks in the article. Thanks for posting it. 
 

It definitely came out of one of those two labs in Wuhan. Calling it a ‘conspiracy theory’ should be reserved for the zoonotic explanation. 

Absolutely mate. The wet market origin is a red herring (pardon the pun). I’ll wager there’s tens of thousands of wet markets across China where the worst you can hope to catch is salmonella. So why did this mutation of SARS originate in Wuhan?  
 

The fucking irony is that Trump’s xenophobia clouded a timely investigation, whereas the more pertinent line of investigation should centre around the US taking advantage of China’s less stringent and ethical laws around biomedical research to do its dirty work in the field of animal to human coronavirus transmission.

 
There’s clearly been an oversight and It’s blown up in their face and in my mind, both superpowers should be on the hook for the whole shebang. America foremost.

[Bjornebye]

I wonder who will run out of Colanders first... Ikea or Robert Dyas 

[M_B]

9 hours ago, cochyn said:

The wet market origin is a red herring (pardon the pun). I’ll wager there’s tens of thousands of wet markets across China where the worst you can hope to catch is salmonella. So why did this mutation of SARS originate in Wuhan? 

SARS and Bird Flu both transferred to humans through wet markets, unless of course they were lab accidents too. 60% of zoonotic viruses originated in wild animals. Almost 50k wild animals were sold in Wuhan market between May 2017 and November 2019.

[Bruce Spanner]

Another promise broken…

 

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/pm-under-fire-for-empty-promises-made-to-uk-biotech-firms-over-covid-tests_uk_60e553f5e4b099d899a1d4da

 

Bridget Phillipson, Labour’s shadow chief secretary to the Treasury, said: “Handing this work to a Chinese company right after saying they wanted more lateral flow tests made in Britain is typical of this government’s empty promises to support British jobs and industries.

 

“Instead of using the powers they have to boost industry in Britain, they are instead happy to leave our economy weak and see British businesses losing out. “Labour has a plan to buy, make and sell more in Britain to get our economy firing on all cylinders and for us to build up skills and businesses for the future as we recover from the pandemic.”

 

Speaking at the government’s Porton Down laboratory in November, Boris Johnson said: “We are seeing real progress on a UK-made lateral flow test. We’re not quite there yet but in the months ahead we’ll be making them in this country as well.”

 

Johnson went further earlier this year, when he declared: “We’ve created an indigenous industry not just to conduct lateral flow testing, but to make lateral flow tests.”

 

 

 

[Captain Turdseye]

16 minutes ago, M_B said:

SARS and Bird Flu both transferred to humans through wet markets, unless of course they were lab accidents too. 60% of zoonotic viruses originated in wild animals. Almost 50k wild animals were sold in Wuhan market between May 2017 and November 2019.

Did you read that Vanity Fair article mate?

[Jose Jones]

6 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

Did you read that Vanity Fair article mate?

Did you read the one I linked from Nobel prize winning infectious disease experts?

 

[Captain Turdseye]

2 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

Did you read the one I linked from Nobel prize winning infectious disease experts?

 

I missed that. Probably skipped past it because it doesn’t fit with my own theory. 

[Elite]

Me looking at these recommendations...

 

 

 

 

[Jose Jones]

1 minute ago, Captain Turdseye said:

I missed that. Probably skipped past it because it doesn’t fit with my own theory. 

Typical. It was only 19 pages as well.

[M_B]

18 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

Did you read that Vanity Fair article mate?

Yeah. It's a good investigative article, but it is not proof that the virus escaped from the lab.

 

I doubt we'll ever find out the truth - the conspiracy theory industry will make a bundle.

[Bruce Spanner]

PHE figures...

 

'A total of 1,904 people had been admitted to hospital in England with the Delta variant of Covid-19 as of June 21, Public Health England said.

 

Some 1,283 of the 1,904 people were under the age of 50 while 615 were 50 or over, PA news reports.

 

Of the 1,283 under 50, 987 (77%) were unvaccinated, 106 (8%) were less than 21 days after their first dose of vaccine, 118 (9%) 21 or more days after their first dose of vaccine and 48 (4%) were fully vaccinated.

 

Of the 615 aged 50 or over, 195 (32%) were unvaccinated, 11 (2%) less than 21 days after their first dose of vaccine, 140 (23%) 21 or more days after their first dose of vaccine and 265 (43%) were fully vaccinated.'

[M_B]

43% were fully vaccinated.

 

Yikes.

[Chris]

9 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

PHE figures...

 

'A total of 1,904 people had been admitted to hospital in England with the Delta variant of Covid-19 as of June 21, Public Health England said.

 

Some 1,283 of the 1,904 people were under the age of 50 while 615 were 50 or over, PA news reports.

 

Of the 1,283 under 50, 987 (77%) were unvaccinated, 106 (8%) were less than 21 days after their first dose of vaccine, 118 (9%) 21 or more days after their first dose of vaccine and 48 (4%) were fully vaccinated.

 

Of the 615 aged 50 or over, 195 (32%) were unvaccinated, 11 (2%) less than 21 days after their first dose of vaccine, 140 (23%) 21 or more days after their first dose of vaccine and 265 (43%) were fully vaccinated.'

 

Lots to unpack there. Wish we could see a much deeper breakdown of the last figure. How long after 2nd dose? How old were these people (beyond just +/-50)? What were the co-morbidities? 

[Davelfc]

Them just saying 'aged over 50' just doesn't mean much. It's a well know fact that the immune system does not work as well as you grow older, so the 43% needs breaking down into ages and as previously mentioned co-morbidities. 

 

Also as the percentage of the population vaccinated rises you will reach a point where a higher percentage of people hospitalised will be vaccinated, because there are more of them and many are in the high risk groups.

 

Another reason it is important to give more specific data. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bruce Spanner]

38 minutes ago, Chris said:

 

Lots to unpack there. Wish we could see a much deeper breakdown of the last figure. How long after 2nd dose? How old were these people (beyond just +/-50)? What were the co-morbidities? 

 

8 minutes ago, Poster said:

Them just saying 'aged over 50' just doesn't mean much. It's a well know fact that the immune system does not work as well as you grow older, so the 43% needs breaking down into ages and as previously mentioned co-morbidities. 

 

Also as the percentage of the population vaccinated rises you will reach a point where a higher percentage of people hospitalised will be vaccinated, because there are more of them and many are in the high risk groups.

 

Another reason it is important to give more specific data. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, these are just the headline figures, the breakdowns are coming out as we speak.

[Barrington Womble]

1 hour ago, M_B said:

43% were fully vaccinated.

 

Yikes.

Isn't there something like 90% of over 50s are double vaxxed? So less than half of the hospitalisations come from 90% of the people? Which means 57% come from the other 10%? 

[Guest]

49 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

Isn't there something like 90% of over 50s are double vaxxed? So less than half of the hospitalisations come from 90% of the people? Which means 57% come from the other 10%? 

Anyone sum this up?