Coronavirus

[Barrington Womble]

7 minutes ago, Poster said:

Governments taking credit for things, well that's a shock.

 

I thought the data was clearly showing that the vaccine is working, I think even Hancock was pretty confident on a 19th July opening up. 

 

 

 

Of course nothing in certain in life and all it takes is a much nastier variant to fuck things up. 

The point I'm making is they're trying to spin it that this is some sort of libertarian appointment, as you say it was happening anyway. They're doing what johnson did when he became PM and dissociated himself with all the preceding years of Tory government. He created a fresh start and that's what they're trying to do here. 

[Davelfc]

18 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

The point I'm making is they're trying to spin it that this is some sort of libertarian appointment, as you say it was happening anyway. They're doing what johnson did when he became PM and dissociated himself with all the preceding years of Tory government. He created a fresh start and that's what they're trying to do here. 

Governments spin, that's what they do. Politicians attach themselves to anything in order to gain votes, doesn't matter how tasteless it is. Most people can see it for what it is. 

 

I doubt they're swinging many voters minds with their antics. 

[Barrington Womble]

3 minutes ago, Poster said:

Governments spin, that's what they do. Politicians attach themselves to anything in order to gain votes, doesn't matter how tasteless it is. Most people can see it for what it is. 

 

I doubt they're swinging many voters minds with their antics. 

I just don't see why the press and the opposition let them get away with it. Time and again these cunts are wiping the slate clean and they shouldn't be able to get away with it. 

[Davelfc]

32 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

I just don't see why the press and the opposition let them get away with it. Time and again these cunts are wiping the slate clean and they shouldn't be able to get away with it. 

I quite agree and I despair sometimes that we seem to lack a strong opposition, I gave up on most media ages ago. 

 

The tories and especially Johnson do seem to have a decent teflon coating though. 

[ZonkoVille77]

CBD looks to have some protective properties according to this although I can't determine the required dosage. 

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7987002/

 

Edit:

 

However, several issues require close examination before CBD can be considered or even explored as a therapeutic for COVID-19 (11). Although many CBD formulations are available on the market, they vary vastly in quality, the amount of CBD, and their pharmacokinetic properties after oral administration, which are mostly unknown. CBD is quite hydrophobic and forms large micellar structures that are trapped and broken down in the liver, thereby limiting the amount of drug available to other tissues after oral administration. The inactive carriers have a significant impact on clinically obtainable concentrations. As CBD is widely sold as a preparation in an edible oil, we analyzed flavored commercial hemp oils and found a CBD content of only 0.30% in a representative sample (fig. S12). The purity of CBD and, in particular, the composition of the materials labelled as CBD are also important, especially in light of our findings suggesting that other cannabinoids such as THC might act to counter CBD antiviral efficacy. This essentially eliminates the feasibility of marijuana serving as an effective source of antiviral CBD, in addition to issues related to its legal status. Finally, other means of CBD administration such as vaping and smoking raise concerns about potential lung damage.

Future studies to explore the optimal means of CBD delivery to patients along with clinical trials will be needed to fully test the promise of CBD as a therapeutic to block SARS-CoV-2 infection. As the clearance rates for CBD in plasma are substantially lower in humans than mice, we would suggest moving to clinical trials rather than doing preclinical studies in animal models (15). We advocate carefully designed placebo-controlled clinical trials with known concentrations and highly-characterized formulations in order to define CBD’s role in preventing and treating early SARS-CoV-2 infection. The necessary human in vivo concentration and optimal route and formulation remain to be defined. We strongly caution against the urge to take CBD in presently available formulations as a preventative or treatment therapy at this time, especially without the knowledge of a rigorous randomized clinical trial with this natural product (23).

[elvis]

10 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

All the morning papers supposedly covering the idea we're opening up on July 19th because it's healthier for us. Apparently our brilliant new health secretary sees things differently to the previous one and is going to save us from having our liberties kept from us. Apparently nobody ever considered other health considerations under the previous health secretary. So this raises 2 questions for me

 

1. I thought we were just following the science?

2. How the fuck do the Tory's do it? They somehow spin a narrative that this is their success and what has happened for the last 18 months just drops on a fall guy who's not really one of them anymore. And it's lapped up. 

 

Starmer needs to step the fuck up and provide some opposition. 

Unless he buys all the newspapers I'd say he's fighting a losing battle

[Bruce Spanner]

[Colonel Bumcunt]

11 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

Yeah, a bloke I was due to meet who'd been asked to isolate last week so cancelled on me reckons it was his neighbour who's tested positive and they'd just both been out in their garden. Because of the zero context they've given me to the isolation, I am isolating, but I've deleted the app. Fuck it, if they can't provide a decent reason for making me isolate, I'm not opening myself up to it. So it's the legal minimum from here on in for me. 

I concur.  Delete that shit, you know it's just flogging your data secretly really, even if they say it isn't, of course it is, we're talking about the Tories, Cummings, and Dido Harding. 

[Colonel Bumcunt]

8 hours ago, Poster said:

Governments taking credit for things, well that's a shock.

 

I thought the data was clearly showing that the vaccine is working, I think even Hancock was pretty confident on a 19th July opening up. 

 

 

 

Of course nothing in certain in life and all it takes is a much nastier variant to fuck things up. 

I think it's on the edge, could go either way in terms of deaths, but this is a PM in the last chance saloon with his hard right buddies, and he knows it.  We will 100% 're-open' on 19 July but let's face it, all bets are off if England get to the final on Sunday.  That will become 'freedom day', and you don't need to be some behavioural analyst on £100k a year to know that.  

[Colonel Bumcunt]

56 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

CBD looks to have some protective properties according to this although I can't determine the required dosage. 

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7987002/

 

Edit:

 

However, several issues require close examination before CBD can be considered or even explored as a therapeutic for COVID-19 (11). Although many CBD formulations are available on the market, they vary vastly in quality, the amount of CBD, and their pharmacokinetic properties after oral administration, which are mostly unknown. CBD is quite hydrophobic and forms large micellar structures that are trapped and broken down in the liver, thereby limiting the amount of drug available to other tissues after oral administration. The inactive carriers have a significant impact on clinically obtainable concentrations. As CBD is widely sold as a preparation in an edible oil, we analyzed flavored commercial hemp oils and found a CBD content of only 0.30% in a representative sample (fig. S12). The purity of CBD and, in particular, the composition of the materials labelled as CBD are also important, especially in light of our findings suggesting that other cannabinoids such as THC might act to counter CBD antiviral efficacy. This essentially eliminates the feasibility of marijuana serving as an effective source of antiviral CBD, in addition to issues related to its legal status. Finally, other means of CBD administration such as vaping and smoking raise concerns about potential lung damage.

Future studies to explore the optimal means of CBD delivery to patients along with clinical trials will be needed to fully test the promise of CBD as a therapeutic to block SARS-CoV-2 infection. As the clearance rates for CBD in plasma are substantially lower in humans than mice, we would suggest moving to clinical trials rather than doing preclinical studies in animal models (15). We advocate carefully designed placebo-controlled clinical trials with known concentrations and highly-characterized formulations in order to define CBD’s role in preventing and treating early SARS-CoV-2 infection. The necessary human in vivo concentration and optimal route and formulation remain to be defined. We strongly caution against the urge to take CBD in presently available formulations as a preventative or treatment therapy at this time, especially without the knowledge of a rigorous randomized clinical trial with this natural product (23).

Win, I'm a regular CBD oil junkie.  

[Section_31]

Shit just got real.

 

 

 

[sh#t waffle]

Hilary was H all along, pulling the strings while hiding in plain sight.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

Shit just got real.

 

 

 

Hold on, is that poster an attempt at brainwashing people to avoid being brainwashed? 

[M_B]

Guardian says 24k cases and 2k in hospital per day and rising. We can't surely be serious about removing all restrictions? Deaths are lower, but beds are still going to run out.

 

At this rate we're going to need another lockdown. What am I missing?

[Bruce Spanner]

3 minutes ago, M_B said:

Guardian says 24k cases and 2k in hospital per day and rising. We can't surely be serious about removing all restrictions? Deaths are lower, but beds are still going to run out.

 

At this rate we're going to need another lockdown. What am I missing?

 

That Johnsons ego can't wait to tell the world that we are the first to remove all restrictions, damn the evidence.

[M_B]

From the Independent

Quote

On Monday morning, care minister Helen Whately declined to say that Covid-19 was “under control” but argued that the government did not expect rising case rates to lead to a significant increase in hospitalisations due to the success of vaccines.

“That's a critical difference now: so yes cases are going to continue to rise for a period, but we simply aren't seeing the same steep rise in hospitalisations as we're seeing in the past because of the vaccination programme,” Ms Whately said.

So the theory is that we won't run out of hospital beds.

[sir roger]

Helen Whately is possibly the dimmest bulb in this whole cabinet , let that sink in.

[Jack the Sipper]

22 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

The point I'm making is they're trying to spin it that this is some sort of libertarian appointment, as you say it was happening anyway. They're doing what johnson did when he became PM and dissociated himself with all the preceding years of Tory government. He created a fresh start and that's what they're trying to do here. 

 

I'm not sure most people outside of the right-wing bubble would see a libertarian Health Secretary as a good thing, given they oversee in the NHS probably the biggest and most successful example of a socialist endeavour the west has ever seen.

 

If they want to spin David as libertarian, let them. I don't see why Labour, or anyone who wants the Tories to fail, would fight against that perception.

[M_B]

Well I did get the figures wrong. I thought the Guardian's figure on hospitalizations was per day, but it is the total figure.

 

 

 

 

[Bobby Hundreds]

19 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Helen Whately is possibly the dimmest bulb in this whole cabinet , let that sink in.

Politicians go on TV and never answer the questions posed! at some point we've got to stop blaming the politicians and demand better from people asking the questions. If an MP is being ridiculous be sure to highlight it. There should be no easy rides for any side. Say what you like about Blair or even to a lesser degree Cameron but they were at least usually well informed enough to fuck the question off without it being cringeworthy that we allow these people hugely important positions they couldn't be further from being qualified to do. Making Helen Whately the minister for social care is like picking Warwick Davies first for your basketball team.

[Barrington Womble]

34 minutes ago, Jack the Sipper said:

 

I'm not sure most people outside of the right-wing bubble would see a libertarian Health Secretary as a good thing, given they oversee in the NHS probably the biggest and most successful example of a socialist endeavour the west has ever seen.

 

If they want to spin David as libertarian, let them. I don't see why Labour, or anyone who wants the Tories to fail, would fight against that perception.

because Tory libertarianism and brexit go hand in glove, so this will get sold as a win for the brexit right. it's clear as fucking day. 

[Jack the Sipper]

16 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

because Tory libertarianism and brexit go hand in glove, so this will get sold as a win for the brexit right. it's clear as fucking day. 

I think you're completely wrong there, and if you really believe that, regardless of why people voted to leave the EU, that those same people want libertarianism in every aspect of government and policy making, much less the health service, then I'd have to respectfully disagree.

 

Libertarianism (small government, free trade, free movement of people etc) was only ever an attraction for a small (albeit influential and noisy) minority of hard right wingers - not the average working man from Walsall who's relying on the NHS and state subsidies in some form to get on in his life.

 

 

[Colonel Bumcunt]

One thing going for the Tories at the moment is the lack of high-profile celebrity deaths from covid. 

After 19 July, when cases and deaths go to the moon, expect a re-framing of the situation once David Jason dies.

 

We need a strong PM at this exact time, right now, for this very decision.  This is the exact time you earn your money. 

[Strontium]

49 minutes ago, M_B said:

Well I did get the figures wrong. I thought the Guardian's figure on hospitalizations was per day, but it is the total figure.

 

I think 1.7% of beds are currently occupied by covid cases.

[Barrington Womble]

7 minutes ago, Jack the Sipper said:

I think you're completely wrong there, and if you really believe that, regardless of why people voted to leave the EU, that those same people want libertarianism in every aspect of government and policy making, much less the health service, then I'd have to respectfully disagree.

 

Libertarianism (small government, free trade etc) was only ever an attraction for a small minority of hard right wingers - not the average working man from Walsall who's relying on the NHS and state subsidies in some form to get on in his life.

 

 

and the average working man from Walsall used to vote labour. they now elect a tory mp since the brexit vote.