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11 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Sudden Cardiac Arrest wasn't it?

I think so, which can apparently be brought on by myocarditis. But let the medical experts do their work. 
 

 

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There's no problem in questioning the vaccines, especially the mRNA ones. There's a weird lack of transparency around those ones. I am getting it, but I can't say I'm especially looking forward to it. 

 

The lipid particles that carry the RNA into cells have been shown to go into multiple organs. Crosses the brain blood barrier, goes into the liver, heart, etc... which is a little scary. Now I think the point is that RNA goes away and it's dissolved by the body, but it's all a bit shrouded. Same for the lipids, there's little info on what those do. 

 

In fact, the AZ one and the stuff coming out about is actually loads more reassuring because it's quite transparent. There's a clear but small blood clot risk and we know about it. 

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9 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

There's no problem in questioning the vaccines, especially the mRNA ones. There's a weird lack of transparency around those ones. I am getting it, but I can't say I'm especially looking forward to it. 

 

The lipid particles that carry the RNA into cells have been shown to go into multiple organs. Crosses the brain blood barrier, goes into the liver, heart, etc... which is a little scary. Now I think the point is that RNA goes away and it's dissolved by the body, but it's all a bit shrouded. Same for the lipids, there's little info on what those do. 

 

In fact, the AZ one and the stuff coming out about is actually loads more reassuring because it's quite transparent. There's a clear but small blood clot risk and we know about it. 

AZ vaccine has also been associated with guillain-barre syndrome, myocarditis and internal bleeding.  I'm definitely not taking it.

 

I might be persuaded to take one of the mRNA ones, but I'm waiting to see if they work on the new variants and whether there are more side effects to come.

 

In the meantime I am using ivermectin as prophylaxis. 

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6 minutes ago, TK421 said:

AZ vaccine has also been associated with guillain-barre syndrome, myocarditis and internal bleeding.  I'm definitely not taking it.

 

I might be persuaded to take one of the mRNA ones, but I'm waiting to see if they work on the new variants and whether there are more side effects to come.

 

In the meantime I am using ivermectin as prophylaxis. 

My point is that there is more information and transparency surrounding AZ than the Pfizer and Moderna ones. There is little out there in the form of peer reviewed material describing how the components of the mRNA vaccines are safe, most notably the lipids. 

 

The AZ one, the risks seem to be well known. It's easier to make a decision. 

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1 minute ago, 3 Stacks said:

My point is that there is more information and transparency surrounding AZ than the Pfizer and Moderna ones. There is little out there in the form of peer reviewed material describing how the components of the mRNA vaccines are safe, most notably the lipids. 

 

The AZ one, the risks seem to be well known. It's easier to make a decision. 

I see your point.  Personally, I don't think there's much transparency around any of the vaccines.  Every time someone dies after taking one, the media says that it's "unclear whether the vaccine caused the death", even though it seems pretty obvious when someone young and healthy dies within hours or days after taking one. 

 

I think AstraZeneca owe an apology to, for example, the family of the 18 year old Italian girl who was killed by their vaccine.  I doubt it will be forthcoming, though. 

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2 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

TK coming out as an anti-vaxxer was just the plot twist I've been waiting for my whole life.

 

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3 hours ago, TK421 said:

5.  I'm not comfortable with the concept of vaccine passports and compulsory vaccinations for certain jobs etc.  I'd rather not live in a world where these things become commonplace, so if the virus kills me as an unvaccinated person then so be it.

That is maybe the most stupid thing I've ever heard on this forum. 

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3 minutes ago, TK421 said:

They're incredibly safe... unless they kill you. 

 

 

 

For once, I'd like to agree with you....

But I fear my reputation, in tatters and what's left of it on here, would be plunged - like a poisoned syringe into my arm - to the point of no return, let alone recovery.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, TK421 said:

They're incredibly safe... unless they kill you. 

 

 

I think it’s a risk we are happy for you to take. 

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1 minute ago, Barrington Womble said:

That is maybe the most stupid thing I've ever heard on this forum. 

Well hello to you, too. Nice to see you again. 

 

And with all due respect, what I said there was nothing compared to that time Bob Spunkmouse had salad tortilla for breakfast. 

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Have that you shitcunt virus, oh...

 

'Last week Public Health England report published data comparing the effectiveness of the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines. But it was based largely on how they perform against the Alpha variant, not the Delta one which is now dominant and more harmful.

 

The new research published today in the Lancet does compare the effectiveness of the two vaccines against the Delta variant.

 

Here are the figures for effectiveness against infection at least 14 days after the second dose.

 

Pfizer

79% effective against Delta variant

92% effective against Alpha variant

 

AstraZeneca

60% effective against Delta variant

73% effective against Alpha variant'

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10 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I think it’s a risk we are happy for you to take. 

Well that’s not nice is it.

 

Serious business being on a forum, isn’t it. 

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Just now, Juniper said:

Well that’s not nice is it.

 

Serious business being on a forum, isn’t it. 

I’ve had it.  It’s a risk I took.  

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17 minutes ago, TK421 said:

Well hello to you, too. Nice to see you again. 

 

And with all due respect, what I said there was nothing compared to that time Bob Spunkmouse had salad tortilla for breakfast. 

To be fair Bob didn't say "I'd sooner die than not have green on my breakfast"

8 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Have that you shitcunt virus, oh...

 

'Last week Public Health England report published data comparing the effectiveness of the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines. But it was based largely on how they perform against the Alpha variant, not the Delta one which is now dominant and more harmful.

 

The new research published today in the Lancet does compare the effectiveness of the two vaccines against the Delta variant.

 

Here are the figures for effectiveness against infection at least 14 days after the second dose.

 

Pfizer

79% effective against Delta variant

92% effective against Alpha variant

 

AstraZeneca

60% effective against Delta variant

73% effective against Alpha variant'

Did they define what they meant by effective? Some of my extended family currently have this running through them - with 2 double vaxd people now positive with one in hospital. It's certainly concerning imo. I know that's a small sample size, but I have been concerned watching these numbers fly up over the last few weeks when we're supposedly kicking around this supposed "herd immunity" magic number. 

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Just now, Stouffer said:

So we're bringing second doses forwards, why say they were most effective at 12 weeks initially then?

Is it because they know more now? 

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Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson has just said that he wants to "double jab" two thirds of the UK population in the coming weeks. 

 

I'd quite like to give him a couple of jabs! 

 

I agree with the measures taken today. But, it's still quite satisfying to see his "freedom day" bollocks backfire on him. 

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Just now, Rico1304 said:

Is it because they know more now? 

Fuck knows, I'm just a massive fanny where needles are concerned and thought I had another 6 weeks before getting jabbed again.

 

{Faints}

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2 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

To be fair Bob didn't say "I'd sooner die than not have green on my breakfast"

Did they define what they meant by effective? Some of my extended family currently have this running through them - with 2 double vaxd people now positive with one in hospital. It's certainly concerning imo. I know that's a small sample size, but I have been concerned watching these numbers fly up over the last few weeks when we're supposedly kicking around this supposed "herd immunity" magic number. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson has just said that he wants to "double jab" two thirds of the UK population in the coming weeks. 

 

I'd quite like to give him a couple of jabs! 

 

I agree with the measures taken today. But, it's still quite satisfying to see his "freedom day" bollocks backfire on him. 

The way they are calling it "freedom day" is absolutely shameful 

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