Coronavirus

[sh#t waffle]

3 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

Indeed, Playbook hears Johnson has a COVID-O meeting booked in at 9 a.m. If Peston is right, the Commons statement could be the moment to get ahead of the game. Downing Street aides studiously avoided commenting last night.

 

For anyone's that's wondering, that's what they call the pandemic in Australia.

[tokyojoe]

Had my Pfizer booster a couple of hours ago. Haven't grown an extra arm or anyting like that yet.

 

And I saw my favorite nurse.

[Harry's Lad]

2 hours ago, littletedwest said:

Just had my first vaccine (pfizer) was hoping turn into a chimpanzee but nothing so far

Give it time!

[Strontium]

3 hours ago, littletedwest said:

Just had my first vaccine (pfizer) was hoping turn into a chimpanzee but nothing so far

 

You need the one that contains the microchimp.

[Bruce Spanner]

Inquiry will start next spring and will take at least two to three years, or however long until the next election is.

 

I'm shocked I tell thee, shocked.

[Bjornebye]

11 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Inquiry will start next spring and will take at least two to three years, or however long until the next election is.

 

I'm shocked I tell thee, shocked.

They've still got to do the islamophobia one that Johnson promised in the run up to the last GE. 

[Bruce Spanner]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

They've still got to do the islamophobia one that Johnson promised in the run up to the last GE. 

 

The difference in this and that is that a large part of this will be televised, or should be, whereas the Islamaphobia was internal this one isn't, so it could still do damage, we'll see.

[Rico1304]

18 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Inquiry will start next spring and will take at least two to three years, or however long until the next election is.

 

I'm shocked I tell thee, shocked.

I’m like Mystic Meg 

[Bjornebye]

@Strontium Dog™ the little lad thread isn't the one to make this point but you are on there bemoaning the fact that they carried on a training session during a thunderstorm.... In the Uk the chances of being hit by lightning is about 1 in 1.2 million. The chances of being hit and killed are around 1 in 19 million. 

 

The chances of contracting Covid in the UK based on cases vs population is 6.6 in 100 and the chances of dying from covid having had it is 2.25 in 100. 

 

Yet masks and lockdowns were a violation of your human rights? 

 

Just saying. 

 

 

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

@Strontium Dog™ the little lad thread isn't the one to make this point but you are on there bemoaning the fact that they carried on a training session during a thunderstorm.... In the Uk the chances of being hit by lightning is about 1 in 1.2 million. The chances of being hit and killed are around 1 in 19 million. 

 

The chances of contracting Covid in the UK based on cases vs population is 6.6 in 100 and the chances of dying from covid having had it is 2.25 in 100. 

 

Yet masks and lockdowns were a violation of your human rights? 

 

You're comparing apples and oranges here, nevertheless if you are going to make the comparison, you probably ought to compare the risk of covid to a 9 year old. I don't specifically recall saying masks and lockdowns were a violation of my human rights; I do recall doubting that they had much of a preventative effect.

[Bjornebye]

8 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

You're comparing apples and oranges here, nevertheless if you are going to make the comparison, you probably ought to compare the risk of covid to a 9 year old. I don't specifically recall saying masks and lockdowns were a violation of my human rights; I do recall doubting that they had much of a preventative effect.

Hahahahaha. Ok SD. 

[Mudface]

This all seems sensible and thought through, though I'm not sure if it would curtail dickheads like Bolsonaro ignoring scientific advice or the likes of Trump politicising healthcare or Johnson's laziness and apparent belief in British exceptionalism.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/commentisfree/2021/may/12/why-is-the-world-being-hit-by-wave-after-wave-of-covid-when-we-know-how-to-stop-it

 

Why is the world still being hit by wave after wave of Covid when we know how to stop it?

Leaders failed to act fast enough when Covid-19 appeared. They must not keep making the same mistakes

Covid pandemic was preventable, says WHO-commissioned report

Death and illness from Covid-19 is steadily rising once again. In the last week of April, more than 93,000 people died – approaching the worst of the global second wave. How can this still be happening? How can some countries still be experiencing wave after wave of infection when we know how to prevent them?

For the past eight months, the Independent Panel for Pandemic Preparedness and Response has been rigorously reviewing the evidence of what happened to allow Covid-19 to take a firm grip – and why. The panel spoke to hundreds of experts and people on the frontline of the response, and conducted extensive original research and numerous literature reviews.

Our report, issued today, is firm but fair in its examination of how a series of failures led to the biggest health, social, and economic disaster in living memory. The time it took from the reporting of a cluster of cases of pneumonia of unknown origin at the end of December 2019 to the declaration of an international public health emergency was too long. February 2020 was also a “lost month” for containing the spread of the virus. Rapid and consistent actions from the outset could have made our world look very different today.

Our 28-country study of a range of national responses showed that there were national leaders who devalued science, denied Covid’s severity, delayed responses, and fostered distrust among citizens. This was in stark contrast to leaders who, through a consistent, whole-of-government approach kept citizens safe and contained the virus. They have shown what should have been done everywhere – and what can still be done.

Today we are faced with the virus and its variants racing through populations struggling with insufficient public health measures, and with the irrational, unequal, and slow pace of vaccine distribution and supply. The situation in India is of grave concern because of the terrible suffering, and because it demonstrates the serious threat Covid-19 still poses.

To end this pandemic, high-income countries with a vaccine pipeline for adequate coverage of their populations should, alongside their own scale-ups, immediately commit to providing the 92 low- and middle-income countries of Gavi’s Covax Advance Market Commitment with at least 1bn vaccine doses by no later than September 2021, reaching more than 2bn doses by mid-2022.

The leading vaccine-producing countries and manufacturers should agree on voluntary licensing and technology transfers within the next three months. The World Trade Organization (WTO) and World Health Organization (WHO) should convene the major actors as soon as they can, and if they can’t agree, a waiver of intellectual property rights under the Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (Trips) should come into force.

Simultaneously, every national government must implement proven public health measures to stop the spread of the virus. The rollercoaster of patchy controls and premature lifting of restrictions is not working.

A new pathogen with pandemic potential could emerge at any time, and then there will be no excuse for a “wait and see” approach. There has to be investment in preparedness now, not when the next crisis hits.

A new pathogen with pandemic potential could emerge at any time. There will be no excuse for a “wait and see” approach
The panel is proposing bold reforms to change the global pandemic prevention and response system to stop future disease outbreaks from becoming another global crisis.

The panel calls for the establishment of a new global health threats council, created by the UN general assembly and led by heads of state and government. It should secure political commitment to pandemic preparedness and response, and hold stakeholders to account.

More than that, we believe we must enhance national and global accountability and effective implementation through a pandemic framework convention, which should be negotiated and agreed within six months.

We recommend that the WHO establishes a new system for surveillance based on full transparency. The WHO should have explicit authority to publish information about potential pandemics without requiring permission from the governments concerned. The WHO should also be empowered to send experts to investigate pandemic threats in any country at the shortest possible notice.
The WHO must be strengthened and given more financial independence based on fully unearmarked resources and increased member state fees. Among other WHO reforms, the position of the director general should be restricted to a single seven-year term.

More funding is required. A new international pandemic financing facility would mobilise up to $10bn (£7bn) each year for preparedness, with the ability to disburse $50–$100bn at short notice in the event of a pandemic declaration.

The panel – 13 experts with knowledge in global health, politics and economics, and including three former government heads – did not set out to apportion blame or point fingers at any one country or institution. But everyone must now apply what we have learned to ensure the world never suffers this way again.

The shelves of storage rooms in the UN and national capitals are lined with largely ignored reports and reviews of previous global crises. This report can’t be shelved. It’s time to take on its serious recommendations to prepare the world to stop an outbreak from becoming a pandemic.

Helen Clark, former prime minister of New Zealand, and Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, former President of Liberia, are co-chairs of the Independent Panel for Pandemic Preparedness and Response

[A Red]

I've had my 2 vaccinations courtesy of volunteering at our local mass centre and am now indestructible. Needless to say i've fucked them off now and shan't be doing anymore shifts

[magicrat]

2 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Inquiry will start next spring and will take at least two to three years, or however long until the next election is.

 

I'm shocked I tell thee, shocked.

I could knock them a report out tomorrow.

 

Conclusion . Government was too slow in introducing travel bans and lock-downs causing thousands of additional deaths.

 

Recommendation .  Never vote Tory again 

[Mudface]

20 minutes ago, A Red said:

I've had my 2 vaccinations courtesy of volunteering at our local mass centre and am now indestructible. Needless to say i've fucked them off now and shan't be doing anymore shifts

Make sure you switch the fridges off on the way out.

[SasaS]

1 hour ago, Mudface said:

This all seems sensible and thought through, though I'm not sure if it would curtail dickheads like Bolsonaro ignoring scientific advice or the likes of Trump politicising healthcare or Johnson's laziness and apparent belief in British exceptionalism.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/commentisfree/2021/may/12/why-is-the-world-being-hit-by-wave-after-wave-of-covid-when-we-know-how-to-stop-it

 

 

 

The problem is, this is not all happening in some political vacuum, and the epidemic is not lethal enough for all other considerations to be abandoned. If all of northern Italy has been put into quarantine for 4 to 6 weeks in mid-February, Wuhan-style, with the EU footing the bill, Europe may have been spared or bought time to better prepare. But that would have been impossible even to suggest.

[an tha]

Yet still we are just allowing them to come and go and import virus seemingly as they please...

 

My understanding is that India is on the red list, so anybody returning from there would have to quarantine in a hotel. Unless they came back via another country I guess.

 

Border force should be making detailed checks but they're under resourced. The fact is that the individuals concerned should act more responsibly too.

 

Story:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-57075618

[TheHowieLama]

2 minutes ago, SasaS said:

The problem is, this is not all happening in some political vacuum, and the epidemic is not lethal enough for all other considerations to be abandoned. If all of northern Italy has been put into quarantine for 4 to 6 weeks in mid-February, Wuhan-style, with the EU footing the bill, Europe may have been spared or bought time to better prepare. But that would have been impossible even to suggest.

Exactly - loads of countries cannot enact on a bi-partisan approach within their own borders - the idea that Europe or the further the World could instantly create a health entity in reaction to this that would be accepted/respected is lunacy.

[Megadrive Man]

Is anybody else concerned about the The B1617 (Indian) covid variant?

 

Seems to be quite a few conflicting reports so far. Some people downplaying it, some people saying that we shouldn't start reopening up until we have more data on it/have vaccinated the whole county. Some suggestion that this will become the dominant variant and could evade the current vaccinations? 

[SasaS]

26 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

Is anybody else concerned about the The B1617 (Indian) covid variant?

 

Seems to be quite a few conflicting reports so far. Some people downplaying it, some people saying that we shouldn't start reopening up until we have more data on it/have vaccinated the whole county. Some suggestion that this will become the dominant variant and could evade the current vaccinations? 

How are 10% of Indians already vaccinated reacting to it?

[Curly]

On 10/05/2021 at 08:48, Rico1304 said:

 

What debate is that mate?

[Megadrive Man]

11 minutes ago, SasaS said:

How are 10% of Indians already vaccinated reacting to it?

 

I don't know? It's difficult to find any hard evidence on it either way. 

[Strontium]

40 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

Is anybody else concerned about the The B1617

 

Yeah, it should be dual carriageway at the very least.

[magicrat]

56 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

Is anybody else concerned about the The B1617 (Indian) covid variant?

 

Seems to be quite a few conflicting reports so far. Some people downplaying it, some people saying that we shouldn't start reopening up until we have more data on it/have vaccinated the whole county. Some suggestion that this will become the dominant variant and could evade the current vaccinations? 

I'm very concerned . So are the Government for different reasons ,mainly in case it derails their lifting of restrictions. However like all the other phases of this clusterfuck they will be behind the curve when it comes to taking action.  Too bothered about trade deals with India to ban travel until it was too late. We will all probably need a third jab and thousands will get really sick or die, .

[Brownie]

Booked my jabs this morning. Last week it was said that under 40's will be offered an alternative to AZ; does that mean i'll automatically not get the AZ one or will it just depend on stock etc I wonder?