Coronavirus

[an tha]

Lockdown is of course totally unnatural and hard for people to deal with.

 

It does not surprise me that it is driving some to behave like they are and hit out etc.

 

Isolation, loneliness, being denied the opportunity to do things people usually do to unwind, relax, let off steam, enjoy themselves etc is a potent mix.....add in stress of trying to work at home and balance with looking after kids, or being on furlough and not knowing if will have a job going forward/even worse those who have lost jobs and or businesses and it can easily push people to start hitting out and venting/projecting frustration and anger.

 

Worry about paying bills and feeding families - worry about finding a job again....disrupted plans, damaged educations, lost development in kids, biographical trajectories altered massively....etc etc etc.

 

Add in the constant and incessant media coverage it is hard to switch off from and the mixed messages/moving goal posts from the clowns in charge and i feel you can see how for some lockdown anxiety/fatigue has become lockdown desperation and despair.

 

Being denied things like human contact, social interaction etc etc etc is tough for people.

 

Separation and isolation is tough and morale sapping....people becoming angry and frustrated is understandable - although of course there are ways to go about things!

 

I don't think enough consideration has been given generally to just how much of a toll this all takes on people and the lasting effects.

[Bjornebye]

11 minutes ago, an tha said:

Lockdown is of course totally unnatural and hard for people to deal with.

 

It does not surprise me that it is driving some to behave like they are and hit out etc.

 

Isolation, loneliness, being denied the opportunity to do things people usually do to unwind, relax, let off steam, enjoy themselves etc is a potent mix.....add in stress of trying to work at home and balance with looking after kids, or being on furlough and not knowing if will have a job going forward/even worse those who have lost jobs and or businesses and it can easily push people to start hitting out and venting/projecting frustration and anger.

 

Worry about paying bills and feeding families - worry about finding a job again....disrupted plans, damaged educations, lost development in kids, biographical trajectories altered massively....etc etc etc.

 

Add in the constant and incessant media coverage it is hard to switch off from and the mixed messages/moving goal posts from the clowns in charge and i feel you can see how for some lockdown anxiety/fatigue has become lockdown desperation and despair.

 

Being denied things like human contact, social interaction etc etc etc is tough for people.

 

Separation and isolation is tough and morale sapping....people becoming angry and frustrated is understandable - although of course there are ways to go about things!

 

I don't think enough consideration has been given generally to just how much of a toll this all takes on people and the lasting effects.

It is absolutely difficult mate.. I don't think anybody is ever disputing that. I hate it. This last year has been truly horrible. Everybody is frustrated with it all be it the mixed messages from the government, the media coverage, new cases in cases. What remains a fact though is that 3 million people have died from this including well over 100 thousand in this country. Some peoples actions and general attitude has been selfish.

 

As for those yesterday and the number of them comparing the lockdown and masks to the holocaust they can fuck right off. 

[A Red]

Of course lock down is horrible for lots of people for all sorts of reasons but its better than catching or passing on covid.

[Colonel Bumcunt]

24 minutes ago, an tha said:

Lockdown is of course totally unnatural and hard for people to deal with.

 

It does not surprise me that it is driving some to behave like they are and hit out etc.

 

Isolation, loneliness, being denied the opportunity to do things people usually do to unwind, relax, let off steam, enjoy themselves etc is a potent mix.....add in stress of trying to work at home and balance with looking after kids, or being on furlough and not knowing if will have a job going forward/even worse those who have lost jobs and or businesses and it can easily push people to start hitting out and venting/projecting frustration and anger.

 

Worry about paying bills and feeding families - worry about finding a job again....disrupted plans, damaged educations, lost development in kids, biographical trajectories altered massively....etc etc etc.

 

Add in the constant and incessant media coverage it is hard to switch off from and the mixed messages/moving goal posts from the clowns in charge and i feel you can see how for some lockdown anxiety/fatigue has become lockdown desperation and despair.

 

Being denied things like human contact, social interaction etc etc etc is tough for people.

 

Separation and isolation is tough and morale sapping....people becoming angry and frustrated is understandable - although of course there are ways to go about things!

 

I don't think enough consideration has been given generally to just how much of a toll this all takes on people and the lasting effects.

People in India don't look like they're having fun without these things either.  

[an tha]

15 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

It is absolutely difficult mate.. I don't think anybody is ever disputing that. I hate it. This last year has been truly horrible. Everybody is frustrated with it all be it the mixed messages from the government, the media coverage, new cases in cases. What remains a fact though is that 3 million people have died from this including well over 100 thousand in this country. Some peoples actions and general attitude has been selfish.

 

As for those yesterday and the number of them comparing the lockdown and masks to the holocaust they can fuck right off. 

I see that too of course.

 

But not every discussion or debate or all discourse about it all for me anyway has to always come back to 'deaths'

 

Yes of course ultimately that is No.1 and nobody should deny that - but like it or not we are selfish as a species in the main and whilst it can be seen as very crass a lot of people if they have not been personally affected simply don't care if what they see as 'loads of very old and already ill people have died'...

 

I am not saying i necessarily subscribe to that view, but it is a view a lot of people will hold...people care about what affects them personally and those close to them and people care more about their own lives than others - i know you know that of course and i don't want to be seen to be justifying that or promoting it...

 

Some people have gone to stupid and frankly pathetic extremes with things like comparing it to holocaust etc and some views are deeply ignorant, but for the more reasonable and moderate people who are struggling and have struggled with all the things we have covered in these last couple of posts or so, i do think not enough understanding/empathy exists largely.

 

We can of course care about this and want to see it get better for people without it direspecting or disregarding deaths or not caring about deaths.

[Bjornebye]

Just now, an tha said:

I see that too of course.

 

But not every discussion or debate or all discourse about it all for me anyway has to alwsys come back to 'deaths'

 

Yes of course ultimately that is No.1 and nobody should deny that - but like it or not we are selfish as a species in the main and whilst it can be seen as very crass a lot of people if they have not been personally affected simply don't care if what they see as 'loads of very old and already ill people have died'...

 

I am not saying i necessarily subscribe to that view, but it is a view a lot of people will hold...people care about what affects them personally and those close to them and people care more about their own lives than others - i know you know that of course and i don't want to be seen to be justifying that or promoting it...

 

Some people have gone to stupid and frankly pathetic extremes with things like comparing it to holocaust etc and some views are deeply ignorant, but for the more reasonable and moderate people who are struggling and have struggled with all the things we have covered in these last couple of posts or so, i do think not enough understanding/empathy exists largely.

 

We can of course care about this and want to see it get better for people without it dsrespecting or disregarding deaths or not caring about deaths.

I see what you're saying mate and I agree with a lot but it ultimately does come down to deaths (and doign what we can to reduce them). Given the amount of people dead and still dying, that will always be the bottom line (for want of a better phrase). 

[Colonel Bumcunt]

I can't believe Italy are about to lift some restrictions.   There's no shortcuts, follow China's lead, eliminate it and then discuss options.  

[an tha]

7 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I see what you're saying mate and I agree with a lot but it ultimately does come down to deaths (and doign what we can to reduce them). Given the amount of people dead and still dying, that will always be the bottom line (for want of a better phrase). 

Bottom line yeah....but that does not mean all the other lines can't be looked at, cared about, vented about, have anger about, be upset about, be worried about etc etc.

 

The danger is any time someone is understandbly in those lines and feeling those things their emotions/thoughts/feelings are just shut down by '100,000 people have died.'

 

Not saying you are doing that, but i have seen that done and for me it is too black and white a view....i can be deeply upset about losing a 50k a year job and possibly my house and still be concerned/empathetic about deaths.

 

I can be a kid suffering from depression due to lockdown and need to vent/need help and still respect the death of people.

 

It is all so hard, so horrible and so truly unique a time for all, it is mind blowing.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, an tha said:

Bottom line yeah....but that does not mean all the other lines can't be looked at, cared about, vented about, have anger about, be upset about, be worried about etc etc.

 

The danger is any time someone is understandbly in those lines and feeling those things their emotions/thoughts/feelings are just shut down by '100,000 people have died.'

 

Not saying you are doing that, but i have seen that done and for me it is too black and white a view....i can be deeply upset about losing a 50k a year job and possibly my house and still be concerned/empathetic about deaths.

 

I can be a kid suffering from depression due to lockdown and need to vent/need help and still respect the death of people.

 

It is all so hard, so horrible and so truly unique a time for all, it is mind blowing.

Of course mate agree 110%. Unfortunately those idiots yesterday, marching en masse and making a point of not wearing masks are showing zero respect to the dead, the key workers or in-fact many who have been badly impacted by this in any way. 

[A Red]

There are other people who have behaved like complete twats over the having lockdown restrictions. There was a couple on the local news the other night complaining about how their dream wedding has had to be moved and the bride to be had to have therapy. Fuck off.

[an tha]

Just now, Bjornebye said:

Of course mate agree 110%. Unfortunately those idiots yesterday, marching en masse and making a point of not wearing masks are showing zero respect to the dead, the key workers or in-fact many who have been badly impacted by this in any way. 

Yeah - some are just fucking disgraceful and beyond reason.

 

They can do one...but sadly i also feel more reasoned/moderate/caring and respectful people have been and will be left to effectively 'do one' too.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Cunt. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/24/mallorca-man-arrested-for-infecting-22-people-with-covid

[tokyojoe]

5 minutes ago, A Red said:

There are other people who have behaved like complete twats over the having lockdown restrictions. There was a couple on the local news the other night complaining about how their dream wedding has had to be moved and the bride to be had to have therapy. Fuck off.

Jammy cunt. Why oh why couldn't this all have happened in 1986 (after May 10th of course)? I would have been spared.

[Bjornebye]

6 minutes ago, an tha said:

Yeah - some are just fucking disgraceful and beyond reason.

 

They can do one...but sadly i also feel more reasoned/moderate/caring and respectful people have been and will be left to effectively 'do one' too.

Mate there is a massive difference in someone being upset/pissed off at losing their job and someone kicking up a stink because they have to wear a mask in a shop or can't go on holiday. 

[A Red]

Take precautions and do what you can to stop other people, particularly the vulnerable, from catching or being potentially exposed to covid. Thats my type of socialism.

[an tha]

5 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Mate there is a massive difference in someone being upset/pissed off at losing their job and someone kicking up a stink because they have to wear a mask in a shop or can't go on holiday. 

We are in agreement, mate.

 

Holidays IMO abroad should be off the table this year.

 

A tiny, tiny price to pay to help keep virus out and as a trade off for more normality here too it makes sense to me 

 

Letting millions fuck off abroad and potentially bring virus back is stupid IMO.

[an tha]

I actually find it quite staggering it seems to be being considered/will be allowed.

 

If anything will see a big spike in cases/see virus entering country and then circulating it is in my view people fucking off abroad for two weeks.

 

Incredible when you consider the efforts we have been asked to make in our day to day lives - but hey come July everyone can just fuck off to Magaluf et al for two weeks!

 

 

[A Red]

9 minutes ago, an tha said:

 

 

Holidays IMO abroad should be off the table this year.

 

A tiny, tiny price to pay to help keep virus out and as a trade off for more normality here too it makes sense to me 

 

Letting millions fuck off abroad and potentially bring virus back is stupid IMO.

Whilst I agree with this wholeheartedly, my mrs is due to be going to Switzerland with her mate for a week at the end of August. Surely a little rule bending just for her would be ok

[3 Stacks]

38 minutes ago, A Red said:

There are other people who have behaved like complete twats over the having lockdown restrictions. There was a couple on the local news the other night complaining about how their dream wedding has had to be moved and the bride to be had to have therapy. Fuck off.

That's the thing with these protesters and Covid deniers. The majority don't actually believe this is a world government conspiracy with the goal of controlling populations. They're just selfish cunts who can't handle the inconvenience the Covid restrictions have imposed on them and they're throwing their toys out the pram. 

[YorkshireRed]

31 minutes ago, A Red said:

Whilst I agree with this wholeheartedly, my mrs is due to be going to Switzerland with her mate for a week at the end of August. Surely a little rule bending just for her would be ok

Of course there is a risk she’d be allowed to go, but not come back for a delayed period. 

 

Obviously this won’t be something you’d want to happen so I’ll be happy to send my wife in her place. 

[Rico1304]

I went up to my old cricket club yesterday, saw loads of people who I’ve not seen for

ages.  Almost to a man they said how tough they’ve found it, lots of tough ‘mens men’ talking about their mental health was strange but in a good way.  

[an tha]

1 hour ago, A Red said:

Whilst I agree with this wholeheartedly, my mrs is due to be going to Switzerland with her mate for a week at the end of August. Surely a little rule bending just for her would be ok

Actively encouraged!

[Megadrive Man]

39 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I went up to my old cricket club yesterday, saw loads of people who I’ve not seen for

ages.  Almost to a man they said how tough they’ve found it, lots of tough ‘mens men’ talking about their mental health was strange but in a good way.  

 

Doesn't surprise me that the older generation will have found it tough. Probably tougher than the younger generation as youngsters are more likely to play computer games/bingewatch  tv shows on netflix etc or even be able to 'socialise' better on facetime or similar apps. 

 

Hopefully this will make people understand and accept the importance of mental health a lot better. 

 

[Bjornebye]

When it’s all back to normal one of the positives will be that the simple things won’t be taken for granted. 

[Ranxerox]

2 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

As for those yesterday and the number of them comparing the lockdown and masks to the holocaust they can fuck right off. 

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