Coronavirus

[cloggypop]

Just now, Gnasher said:

This publications worse but it's the same old song just a different meaning now we are gone..

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2020/apr/11/eu-coronavirus-relief-deal-enemies-debt-eurozone?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

It's right about fucking Spiked

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/07/us-billionaires-hard-right-britain-spiked-magazine-charles-david-koch-foundation

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, cloggypop said:

It's right about fucking Spiked

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/07/us-billionaires-hard-right-britain-spiked-magazine-charles-david-koch-foundation

Have another publication, I can give you more but the message stays the same wherever its published. You cant hide behind the printer.

 

Heres the new statesman 

 

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/uk

[Gnasher]

6 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

It's right about fucking Spiked

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/07/us-billionaires-hard-right-britain-spiked-magazine-charles-david-koch-foundation

Have twitter direct. I'll take a guess that out of the 3 points recommended in the tweet the eu do zero..

 

 

 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

An insight into our coming weeks when the schools open again? 

 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1364574085397766147

 

[magicrat]

I read somewhere less than 1% of UK arrivals are quarantining.  What could possibly go wrong ?

 

 

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2268014-exclusive-two-variants-have-merged-into-heavily-mutated-coronavirus/

[Sugar Ape]

Surely best to move down the ages groups and vaccinate who you can rather than have them sitting there?

 

 

[Bruce Spanner]

4 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

Surely best to move down the ages groups and vaccinate who you can rather than have them sitting there?

 

 

 

There's supposedly 100m of 'grey doses' ready and waiting for a buyer that haven't been taken up yet.

 

Grey doses just means ready to go to the highest bidder.

[3 Stacks]

The general vaccine messaging is driving me crazy. It's all still "the risk is there even with vaccines" instead of "if you get the shot, life will be normal again soon". These morons are driving vaccine skepticism with their message. They're focusing on the risk aspect rather than the benefit of getting a vaccine. If I didn't know any better and people were telling me that even after getting the vaccine I'd need to keep social distancing and little would change, I'd seriously think the vaccine is useless, when it very obviously isn't. 

[Bjornebye]

35 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

The general vaccine messaging is driving me crazy. It's all still "the risk is there even with vaccines" instead of "if you get the shot, life will be normal again soon". These morons are driving vaccine skepticism with their message. They're focusing on the risk aspect rather than the benefit of getting a vaccine. If I didn't know any better and people were telling me that even after getting the vaccine I'd need to keep social distancing and little would change, I'd seriously think the vaccine is useless, when it very obviously isn't. 

You’ll see the state of the UK when the pubs open in a few months. Thousands and thousands of wankers “having it fucking large” acting like the virus has gone and the battle is won instead of, you know, reality. I won’t be anywhere near them. 

[3 Stacks]

8 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

You’ll see the state of the UK when the pubs open in a few months. Thousands and thousands of wankers “having it fucking large” acting like the virus has gone and the battle is won instead of, you know, reality. I won’t be anywhere near them. 

If someone is vaccinated, and loads of the population are as well, I don't see why they shouldn't go to the pub. And my point is, that's what we should be telling people to encourage them. 

[Rico1304]

8 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

If someone is vaccinated, and loads of the population are as well, I don't see why they shouldn't go to the pub. And my point is, that's what we should be telling people to encourage them. 

Because they aren’t sure YET that it stops transmission.  They’ve proved it reduces the severity but that’s it so far.  

[SasaS]

21 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

 

The EU have made complete cunts of themselves and have played politics with millions of people's lives.

 

As Sec said, they've gone full Everton on this.

 

The likes of Serbia and Hungary have already thought fuck waiting for you twats to organise anything.

Serbia is not in the EU. It is mostly ahead in vaccination thanks to receiving large quantities of Chinese vaccine.

[Brownie]

54 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

The general vaccine messaging is driving me crazy. It's all still "the risk is there even with vaccines" instead of "if you get the shot, life will be normal again soon". These morons are driving vaccine skepticism with their message. They're focusing on the risk aspect rather than the benefit of getting a vaccine. If I didn't know any better and people were telling me that even after getting the vaccine I'd need to keep social distancing and little would change, I'd seriously think the vaccine is useless, when it very obviously isn't. 

Well that is the truth. Being vaccinated doesn't completely protect you.

 

And there's a lag in protection from when you get it, too. They have to caveat their message, they don't have a choice.

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

Just now, Rico1304 said:

Because they aren’t sure YET that it stops transmission.  They’ve proved it reduces the severity but that’s it so far.  

 

But isn't severity the problem? The thing that separates it from "just a flu"?

[3 Stacks]

8 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Because they aren’t sure YET that it stops transmission.  They’ve proved it reduces the severity but that’s it so far.  

Ok, what's the problem? If, as seems to be the case, the vaccines prove to be near 100% effective at stopping severe infection and all that remains is curtailed transmission of what is essentially the common cold, why should people be worried about that?

[3 Stacks]

3 minutes ago, Brownie said:

Well that is the truth. Being vaccinated doesn't completely protect you.

 

And there's a lag in protection from when you get it, too. They have to caveat their message, they don't have a choice.

Yes, if you're a reasonable and logical person, you understand this. The problem is that the majority aren't, and so if your message is, "even when you get the vaccine, you still can't live your regular life", the majority of people might say "what's the point" and won't want it. 

[Brownie]

4 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

Yes, if you're a reasonable and logical person, you understand this. The problem is that the majority aren't, and so if your message is, "even when you get the vaccine, you still can't live your regular life", the majority of people might say "what's the point" and won't want it. 

I don't agree to be honest. They have to say it how it is; if people aren't prepared to look at the information and process it properly then that's their own problem.

[3 Stacks]

4 minutes ago, Brownie said:

I don't agree to be honest. They have to say it how it is; if people aren't prepared to look at the information and process it properly then that's their own problem.

The vaccine is a drug. It's a product. You have to market it correctly for people to want to get it and it's for the greater good of society if people get it.

 

And the way to do that is by emphasizing that if you get it, shortly after, you 99.999999999% won't die or get hospitalized from Covid and you'll be able to get back to living your life. Why would you literally say anything else? What is the point in saying we have to wear masks for the next 3 years? Seriously. 

[Jairzinho]

3 minutes ago, Brownie said:

I don't agree to be honest. They have to say it how it is; if people aren't prepared to look at the information and process it properly then that's their own problem.

Well, sadly it's everyone's problem.

 

Some people will eventually be protected by herd immunity even if the vaccine doesn't actually protect them. 

[Brownie]

8 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Well, sadly it's everyone's problem.

 

Some people will eventually be protected by herd immunity even if the vaccine doesn't actually protect them. 

Not sure I am following you here. We're talking about the authorities pointing out to people that simply getting a dose of the vaccine doesn't mean you are completely protected. That's the truth and therefore that's the message they should be giving.

 

If the alternative is to lie to them just to encourage them to get a vaccine; well I just can't go along with that.

 

If the majority of people get the vaccine, then those who aren't at all protected, that is their problem. That's what my point was. Yes, they can get infected and then pass it onto the rest, but the rest have an element of protection, so.....

[Brownie]

10 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

The vaccine is a drug. It's a product. You have to market it correctly for people to want to get it and it's for the greater good of society if people get it.

 

And the way to do that is by emphasizing that if you get it, shortly after, you 99.999999999% won't die or get hospitalized from Covid and you'll be able to get back to living your life. Why would you literally say anything else? What is the point in saying we have to wear masks for the next 3 years? Seriously. 

Telling people that they are completely protected by it is not the "correct" message though is it? You have to take into account things like variants etc.

[3 Stacks]

2 minutes ago, Brownie said:

Telling people that they are completely protected by it is not the "correct" message though is it? You have to take into account things like variants etc.

That's not what I said. I said, you tell them they won't get hospitalized and won't die, which means life will get back to normal. There's no lie in there. 

[Brownie]

1 minute ago, 3 Stacks said:

That's not what I said. I said, you tell them they won't get hospitalized and won't die, which means life will get back to normal. There's no lie in there. 

It's not true to say they'll be 99.9% sure not to get hospitalised or die though.

[3 Stacks]

1 minute ago, Brownie said:

It's not true to say they'll be 99.9% sure not to get hospitalised or die though.

That's a number I pulled out of my ass to make my point, but the facts are, the vaccines are proven to stop hospitalizations and deaths. What else could we possibly want?

[Rushies tash]

Meanwhile in the US...

 

https://us.cnn.com/2021/02/25/health/variants-coronavirus-new-york-city/index.html

 

(CNN)Two separate teams of researchers said this week they have found a worrying new coronavirus variant in New York City and elsewhere in the Northeast that carries mutations that help it evade the body's natural immune response -- as well as the effects of monoclonal antibody treatments.

Genomics researchers have named the variant B.1.526. It appears in people affected in diverse neighborhoods of New York City, they said, and is "scattered in the Northeast."

One of the mutations in this variant is the same concerning change found in the variant first seen in South Africa and known as B.1.351. It appears to evade, somewhat, the body's response to vaccines, as well. And it's becoming more common.

"We observed a steady increase in the detection rate from late December to mid-February, with an alarming rise to 12.7% in the past two weeks," one team, at Columbia University Medical Center, write in a report that has yet to be published, although it is scheduled to appear in pre-print version this week.

 

 

Lab studies suggest Pfizer, Moderna vaccines can protect against coronavirus variant

 

It's the latest of a growing number of viral variants that have arisen in the US, which has had more coronavirus cases -- 28 million -- than any other country and where spread is still intense. It's "home grown, presumably in New York," Dr. David Ho, Director of the Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center at Columbia, who led the study team, said by email.

Viruses mutate all the time. The more people who are infected, and the longer they are infected, the more chance the viruses have to change. A patient's body will be loaded with billions of copies of a virus, and may will be slightly changed, or mutated. Most will come and go.

But sometimes a mutation or pattern of mutations takes hold and gets passed along. If viruses with such patterns become more common, they're called variants. Again, it's not unusual for variants to arise but if they give the virus worrying properties, such as better transmissibility or the ability to evade treatments and vaccines, that's when doctors start to worry.

 

New CDC reports warn variants could lead to rapid rise in Covid-19 cases

 

The mutation in this variant that most concerns researchers is called E484K and it gives the virus the ability to slip past some of the body's immune response, as well as the authorized monoclonal antibody treatments. This mutation is popping up independently in many different cases but appears in one particular variant, as well -- the one called B.1.526. "It is this novel variant that is surging, alarmingly, in our patient population over the past few weeks," the Columbia team wrote in a copy of their report provided to CNN.

"We find the rate of detection of this new variant is going up over the past few weeks. A concern is that it might be beginning to overtake other strains, just like the UK and South African variants," Ho told CNN.

"However, we don't have enough data to firm up this point now."

But the E484K mutation is seen in at least 59 different lineages of coronavirus, they said -- which means it is evolving independently across the nation and across the world in a phenomenon known as convergent evolution. It may give the virus an advantage.

 

 

Batch of homegrown coronavirus mutations seen in US

 

"Everything we know about this key mutation suggests that it appears to escape from antibody pressure," Ho said. Separately, a team at the California Institute of Technology said they developed a software tool that also spotted the rise of B.1.526 in New York. "It appears that the frequency of lineage B.1.526 has increased rapidly in New York," they wrote in a pre-print -- a report that has not been peer-reviewed but has been posted online.

On Tuesday, two teams reported on another variant that appears to be on the rise in California.

They fear that the variant might not only be more contagious, but may cause more severe disease, as well. As with the New York reports, their research is in its very early stages, has not been published or peer reviewed, and needs more work.

A team at the University of California, San Francisco, tested virus samples from recent outbreaks across California and found it was becoming far more common. It wasn't seen in any samples from September but by the end of January it was found in half the samples.

 

 

Vaccines -- despite variants -- are still good news

 

This variant, which the team calls B.1.427/B.1.429, has a different pattern of mutations than the variants first seen in the UK, called B.1.1.7 or B.1.351. One mutation, called L452R, affects the spike protein of the virus, which is the bit that attaches to cells the virus infects.

"One specific mutation, the L452R mutation, in the receptor-binding domain of the spike protein may enable the virus to dock more efficiently to cells. Our data shows that this is likely the key mutation that makes this variant more infectious," Dr. Charles Chiu, associate director of the clinical microbiology lab at UCSF, who led one of the studies, told CNN.

And they found some evidence it is more dangerous. "In this study, we observed increased severity of disease associated with B.1.427/B.1.429 infection, including increased risk of high oxygen requirement," they wrote in their report, which is to post to a pre-print server later this week after public health officials in San Francisco review it.

Chiu said it should be designated a variant of concern and should be made a priority for study.

A second team at Unidos en Salud, a San Francisco-based nonprofit offering fast testing in San Francisco's Mission District, tested 8,846 people over the month of January and sequenced the virus from 630 of the samples. They also found a rapid increase in the variant.

"The research findings indicate that the L452R variant represents 53% of the positive test samples collected between January 10th and the 27th. That is a significant increase from November when our sequencing indicated that this variant comprised only 16% of the positive tests," Dr. Diane Havlir, an infectious diseases expert at UCSF who is helping lead the study, said in a statement.

Havlir's team is also preparing findings for publication.