Coronavirus

[Rico1304]

8 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

No it wouldn't. You'd need to establish a causative effect. 

 

Do you actually know the hospital bed availability in Wales?

What, you mean like a pandemic? Or are you asserting another reason for the lack of capacity?  
 

Yes. 

[Spy Bee]

2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

What, you mean like a pandemic? Or are you asserting another reason for the lack of capacity?  
 

Yes. 

There is a lack of capacity every year. This year is better than many years.

[Rico1304]

5 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

There is a lack of capacity every year. This year is better than many years.

Don’t tell me, it’s no worse than flu blah blah fucking moron. 

[Barrington Womble]

12 minutes ago, corro said:

With cases reducing they say a lot of the tier 3 areas should be tier 2 from the 16th.

Is there a chance we go to tier 1 here.

As soon as we open back up, cases will start to rise unless this tier 2 is designed to subdue enough that we remain flat - the previous tier 2 didn't achieve that, perhaps the new stronger one will? It would be surprising if it could keep R below 1, which is what we would need to get to tier 1. Throw in Christmas and whatever that will bring, I believe all we have done over the last month is subdue the virus enough to get us a Christmas and by January we'll see all of the country in tier 3 until Easter. 

[Rico1304]

 

[Mudface]

There are more patients in hospital in Wales with Covid now than there were at the height of the first wave. There were less than 50 at the start of September and now there are over 1150, a 23-fold increase in 3 months. The only saving grace is that they did enough to stabilise the numbers for about the last two weeks. To say it's anywhere near under control is absolute nonsense.

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

 

 

Cases per week have also risen for the last two weeks, and deaths have shown a very slight dip, but will no doubt rise again in line with the cases increase-

 

https://coronavstats.co.uk/wales

 

[Rico1304]

 

[Mudface]

Scotland's been looking better for around a month, and Sturgeon today said things would stay the same for now in terms of the tiers local authorities are in-

 

 

 

 

[cloggypop]

55 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

There is a lack of capacity every year. This year is better than many years.

Well it wasn't in October and I doubt it's improved much

 

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2020-10-20/explained-is-wales-critical-care-really-full-welsh-government-nhs-data-covid

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Well it wasn't in October and I doubt it's improved much

 

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2020-10-20/explained-is-wales-critical-care-really-full-welsh-government-nhs-data-covid

It's a pretty good point made that staff have to be available to make beds available. If you lose staff through illness or overwork, it's inevitable you also lose access to beds. 

[Mudface]

1 minute ago, Fluter in Dakota said:

It's a pretty good point made that staff have to be available to make beds available. If you lose staff through illness or overwork, it's inevitable you also lose access to beds. 

That's the main problem with those 'Nightingale' hospitals- it's all very well increasing capacity by hundreds of beds, but if you have too few staff then they're pretty pointless.

[cloggypop]

5 minutes ago, Fluter in Dakota said:

It's a pretty good point made that staff have to be available to make beds available. If you lose staff through illness or overwork, it's inevitable you also lose access to beds. 

Aye, it's not an ICU bed anymore, it's just a bed. 

[Strontium]

In the end it was the lack of patients which made them pointless.

[Mudface]

4 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

In the end it was the lack of patients thanks to lockdown taking effect which made them pointless.

Fixed that for you.

[Rico1304]

I’m definitely not wearing a seat belt anymore as they’ve done their job and reduced road deaths. 

[Barrington Womble]

21 minutes ago, Mudface said:

That's the main problem with those 'Nightingale' hospitals- it's all very well increasing capacity by hundreds of beds, but if you have too few staff then they're pretty pointless.

That's why they haven't brought the nightingales back online. Running them till the spring would be cheaper than a lot of this lockdown shit they're doing, but they know they can't staff them as they can't staff the vacancies they have now. And with covid all across Europe and Brexit on our doorsteps, easy visa free hiring from Europe is completely impossible. But they don't want to tell us about that, so the objective is to cope with the capacity we have. 

[Bruce Spanner]

10 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

That's why they haven't brought the nightingales back online. Running them till the spring would be cheaper than a lot of this lockdown shit they're doing, but they know they can't staff them as they can't staff the vacancies they have now. And with covid all across Europe and Brexit on our doorsteps, easy visa free hiring from Europe is completely impossible. But they don't want to tell us about that, so the objective is to cope with the capacity we have. 

Coupled with the ridiculously difficult to navigate rules and fees Osbourne brought in a few years back for East Asian nurses, as well as the bursary fiasco, you could say it’s a perfect storm.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

2 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

That's why they haven't brought the nightingales back online. Running them till the spring would be cheaper than a lot of this lockdown shit they're doing, but they know they can't staff them as they can't staff the vacancies they have now. And with covid all across Europe and Brexit on our doorsteps, easy visa free hiring from Europe is completely impossible. But they don't want to tell us about that, so the objective is to cope with the capacity we have. 

Why build the Nightingale hospitals then? Seems an absolute waste of time and money when they can't be used. A serious lack of foresight. 

[Bruce Spanner]

8 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Why build the Nightingale hospitals then? Seems an absolute waste of time and money when they can't be used. A serious lack of foresight. 

This surprises you?

 

They saw what other countries were doing and copied, badly, without any real purpose or investigation in to actuality.

 

They needed to get ‘wins’ on to the narrative and this was one of them.

 

Everything they have done has been reactionary and measured against public outrage Vs expenditure, with one eye on the voting intentions.
 

Nothing at all has been done because it was the best thing to do and this, tragically, sets everything back and adds to the body count.

 

They have failed at everything they’ve tried, because it’s ill thought out, boneheaded arrogance which has driven it and no PR campaign should be allowed to obscure that.

[Dougie Do'ins]

10 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Why build the Nightingale hospitals then? Seems an absolute waste of time and money when they can't be used. A serious lack of foresight. 

I don't think a single week has passed since March when you couldn't point the finger at the Tories for any of that.

 

They built the NG hospitals because they had to from a public eye perspective. Not because they wanted to.

[Bruce Spanner]

2 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

I don't think a single week has passed since March when you couldn't point the finger at the Tories for any of that.

 

They built the NG hospitals because they had to from a public eye perspective. Not because they wanted to.

They’re acting like they built them from scratch as well, they repurposed spaces and got the required equipment in, it’s not that much of an achievement in the grand scheme of things.

 

As always, one eye on the messaging. 

[Barrington Womble]

1 hour ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Why build the Nightingale hospitals then? Seems an absolute waste of time and money when they can't be used. A serious lack of foresight. 

Because they could send loads of money to their mates, while simultaneously looking good to the public and "boost morale" at a crucial time when they were giving it lots of Churchillian rhetoric. They knew they'd never need them because once we went into full lockdown it was only a matter of time until cases, hospitalisations and deaths came down. That's how lockdowns work. And this time because they can't use them, they've needed to lockdown earlier to ensure nobody ever brings up the subject of using them. 

[Champ]

1 hour ago, Bruce Spanner said:

They’re acting like they built them from scratch as well, they repurposed spaces and got the required equipment in, it’s not that much of an achievement in the grand scheme of things.

 

As always, one eye on the messaging. 

Does anyone know what they’re actually equipped to do beyond providing nursing care?

[Bruce Spanner]

9 hours ago, Champ said:

Does anyone know what they’re actually equipped to do beyond providing nursing care?

Thats is, they’re effectively prefab wards exclusively for covid patients so they could have ‘hot’ & ‘cold’ patients in hospitals.

 

Genuinely during the planning they didn’t factor in who would staff them it was all a huge, arrogant, wholesale copying of China’s idea without any real knowledge of the situation and it’s practicalities, all for a big PR ‘we did this’ moment. They just started allocating shifts to people on other shifts at other hospitals. This was at the time when they did the ‘do your bit’ to all the retired former doctors and nurses, the problems with this were glaringly obvious, but they realised they were fucked and the Nightingale Hospitals were huge white elephants that were borderline useless.

 

World beating lack of thinking under pressure.

[Vincent Vega]

So Hancock announces this morning that the Pfizer vaccine has had approval (we are the first country in the world to give it approval) and will start to be rolled out for NHS staff from next week. Anybody would think they wanted to change today’s news cycle so it doesn’t focus on over 50 of his MPs voting against Johnson’s new tier measures.