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43 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

Dunno if Zoe need to do some more recalibration of their stats or cases are going badly wrong in Liverpool. LCC figures below that from 16th, which aren't great reading but interesting the split of age groups. 

 

 

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The growth seems closely aligned with what this guy from the Echo last reported.

 

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43 minutes ago, Paulie Dangerously said:

We're starting to get a few off in school. Parents with symptoms, positive lateral flow tests etc. Seems to be going from creeping up to storming up. 

We're in a surge testing area and the kids' school messaged to prompt families to get a PCR test.

 

Went yesterday,  the missus and two lads are OK but I've only gone and tested positive. 

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2 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

Dunno if Zoe need to do some more recalibration of their stats or cases are going badly wrong in Liverpool. LCC figures below that from 16th, which aren't great reading but interesting the split of age groups. 

 

 

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So only 14 percent of new cases are age 45 and older, slightly over 50 percent younger than 24.

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17 hours ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Probably. It could be theft or criminal damage. 

 

In other news, the news today suggests that the over 18s have gone out in numbers now it's their chance to get vaccinated. Queues galore at the pop-up vaccine centres, apparently. 

 

Yes, yes, y'all! 

My niece was saying today all her mates are signing up and getting jabbed. If they want to go on holiday for the first time on their own and then to go to uni it’s what they need to do. Clever kids.  

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2 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

Dunno if Zoe need to do some more recalibration of their stats or cases are going badly wrong in Liverpool. LCC figures below that from 16th, which aren't great reading but interesting the split of age groups. 

 

 

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It seems similar to how the second wave developed, which at the time was attributed to young people.  Except now they're referred to by Dr Jenny Harries as "young and unvaccinated", instead of just young.

 

https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/uk-covid-second-wave-young-people-india-coronavirus-scenario-oxford-professor-695411

 

In the UK, the second wave of the coronavirus was started by young people and it seems very likely that in India too, youngsters, who have been infected with the new strains of the virus, are spreading to more than one person, said Zhengming Chen, Professor of Epidemiology, Nuffield Department of Population Health, University of Oxford.

Q) Experts say young people may be behind the increase in cases. Is it possible that young people, who have contracted the new strains of coronavirus are spreading it to more than one person, leading to a spike in cases?

Response: Yes, very likely. In the UK, the second wave started with young people through social mixing and returning to school.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, TK421 said:

It seems similar to how the second wave developed, which at the time was attributed to young people.  Except now they're referred to by Dr Jenny Harries as "young and unvaccinated", instead of just young.

 

https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/uk-covid-second-wave-young-people-india-coronavirus-scenario-oxford-professor-695411

 

In the UK, the second wave of the coronavirus was started by young people and it seems very likely that in India too, youngsters, who have been infected with the new strains of the virus, are spreading to more than one person, said Zhengming Chen, Professor of Epidemiology, Nuffield Department of Population Health, University of Oxford.

Q) Experts say young people may be behind the increase in cases. Is it possible that young people, who have contracted the new strains of coronavirus are spreading it to more than one person, leading to a spike in cases?

Response: Yes, very likely. In the UK, the second wave started with young people through social mixing and returning to school.

 

 

Are you unhappy that Jenny Harris is suggesting not having a vaccine might be part of the problem? Would you have some information that suggests it matters little if the young people are vaccinated or not? 

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The Torygraph are running, and sticking to, a story that Hancock deliberately kept information about post vaccine infection rates from Alex and the others who made the decision to stop the lockdown easing. It’s behind a paywall so I can’t C&P.


The data showed vaccine efficacy.

 

So, he deliberately misled them to ensure lockdown would happen, for reasons we can only speculate at, but in an unprecedented move gov.uk published a full rebuke.

 

https://healthmedia.blog.gov.uk/2021/06/19/response-to-sunday-telegraph-splash/

 

We now have, supposedly objective, government bodies briefing against the press.

 

What a time to be alive!

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

Are you unhappy that Jenny Harris is suggesting not having a vaccine might be part of the problem? Would you have some information that suggests it matters little if the young people are vaccinated or not? 

No to both, just an observation. 

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3 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

The Torygraph are running, and sticking to, a story that Hancock deliberately kept information about post vaccine infection rates from Alex and the others who made the decision to stop the lockdown easing. It’s behind a paywall so I can C&P.


The data showed vaccine efficacy.

 

So, he deliberately misled them to ensure lockdown would happen, for reasons we can only speculate at, but in an unprecedented move gov.uk published a full rebuke.

 

https://healthmedia.blog.gov.uk/2021/06/19/response-to-sunday-telegraph-splash/

 

We now have government bodies briefing against the press.

 

What a time to be alive!

 

 

I find it difficult to belief that Hancock knew something that Whitty and Vallance did not. 

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8 minutes ago, Impostor said:

I find it difficult to belief that Hancock knew something that Whitty and Vallance did not. 


They’re not part of the two Covid teams, they’re SAGE who provide input only which the groups act on. There’s two covid teams covid strategic response and covid operational which are comprised of a small number of ministers. That’s where decisions are made.


They’re not invited to ‘the room where it happens’ 

 

Hancock had a report from PHE for three days which he didn’t let the others, Alex, Sunak and Gove see, for whatever reason.

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25 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:


They’re not part of the two Covid teams, they’re SAGE who provide input only which the groups act on. There’s two covid teams covid strategic response and covid operational which are comprised of a small number of ministers. That’s where decisions are made.


They’re not invited to ‘the room where it happens’ 

 

Hancock had a report from PHE for three days which he didn’t let the others, Alex, Sunak and Gove see, for whatever reason.

Then he’s withheld important information from them too, they were at the press briefing and no doubt would have put forward the information if they had it.

 

I’m struggling to believe Hancock is the hub of all knowledge, he’s fucking useless and they know it. SAGE must have access to this information or what’s the point of them.
 

I just think this is more smear to lay the whole blame at Hancock’s door, sack him and then when the feeble minded public have forgotten give him a nice little ministerial post somewhere else he can cause havoc.

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14 minutes ago, Impostor said:

Then he’s withheld important information from them too, they were at the press briefing and no doubt would have put forward the information if they had it.

 

I’m struggling to believe Hancock is the hub of all knowledge, he’s fucking useless and they know it. SAGE must have access to this information or what’s the point of them.
 

I just think this is more smear to lay the whole blame at Hancock’s door, sack him and then when the feeble minded public have forgotten give him a nice little ministerial post somewhere else he can cause havoc.

Matt Hancock failed to tell Boris Johnson about a major Public Health England (PHE) study showing the effectiveness of vaccines against the Indian or delta variant during a key meeting to decide whether to extend Covid restrictions, The Telegraph can disclose.

 

The Telegraph understands that the Health Secretary had known about the PHE data three days before the "quad" of four senior ministers, led by the Prime Minister, met last Sunday to decide whether to postpone the planned June 21 reopening until July 19.

 

However, multiple sources familiar with the meeting said it was not raised by Mr Hancock or discussed at all during the course of the talks. The data was also not included in briefing papers given to Mr Johnson, Rishi Sunak, the Chancellor and Michael Gove, the Cabinet Office minister, in advance of the meeting.

 

The bombshell disclosure raises the possibility that the quad could have opted to press ahead with lifting the restrictions on Monday if they had been aware of the study, which showed that both the AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccines were more effective at preventing hospitalisation with the variant than they were against previous strains.

 

It comes after it emerged last week that Mr Johnson had called Mr Hancock "hopeless" over his handling of the pandemic last year. 


On Saturday night, senior Tories asked whether the Health Secretary had "bounced" the Prime Minister into extending the current measures.


The disclosure will fuel calls for the measures to be lifted on July 5 – the halfway point before July 19 at which Mr Johnson said the Government could decide to lift them early. 

One Cabinet minister insisted there must now be a "political decision" to allow businesses to operate fully again due to concerns about severe harm being done to the economy with relatively "little benefit".

 

On Saturday night Steve Baker, the deputy chairman of the Covid Recovery Group of Conservative MPs, said: "Either Matt Hancock thought this data was insignificant or he thought it should be withheld from the Prime Minister and other key ministers.

 

Either way, the mind boggles at what conversation must now be necessary with the Prime Minister, and I feel confident it will be a matter of interest to my colleagues on the relevant select committees. If Matt Hancock was deliberately withholding relevant information, what was he trying to gain? Was the Prime Minister bounced?"  A Department of Health spokesman denied that Mr Hancock "bounced" the Prime Minister.

 

Senior ministers were said to be furious with how the decision-making process was handled. Sources close to members of the "quad" also said they were not provided with the usual explanations that accompany modelling by Sage scientists presented at the meeting, which showed that a June 21 reopening would lead to a large resurgence in hospital admissions.

 

The source close to the "quad" said: "They were presented with the [Sage] data without the assumptions that it was based on." Members of the quad were said to be "very annoyed". The claim was denied by other Government sources.  


The Telegraph understands that Mr Hancock was briefed on the overall findings of the data on Thursday June 10, before PHE went on to send its written analysis to the Health Secretary on Saturday June 12.

 

On the Saturday, Mr Johnson hosted a brief virtual meeting of the quad from the G7 summit on Cornwall, ahead of the longer meeting following his return to Downing Street the next day.

 

However, the first notification that Number 10 received of the results was in an email to aides at around 3pm on Sunday June 13, shortly before the meeting that evening at which ministers decided to extend the restrictions.

Sources with the talks said an email sent so close to the meeting did not amount to a meaningful attempt to inform Mr Johnson of the data.

 

Mr Baker added: "To send an email so late in the day is an act of opposition. It's the sort of thing we do to Labour MPs before appearing in their constituencies to campaign. It's not what a Health Secretary should do to a Prime Minister."

 

A Government source insisted that "equivalent data" to the PHE study was shown to the quad. The "equivalent" data was said to have been drawn up by Sage's Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Modelling (Spi-M) and to have included similar figures to the PHE's findings on the efficacy of the vaccines. 

 

The source said: "When the decision was made to delay, ministers knew that the vaccines work. That is why we are buying more time to get more jabs in arms."

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/06/19/exclusive-matt-hancock-kept-boris-johnson-dark-covid-vaccines/amp/

 

 

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