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Just had the cricket on briefly (Australia vs India) and they were talking about people back in the UK staying up to watch it. Shane Warne was making a joke about Michael Vaughan stumbling home from the pub to make some food.

 

The co-commentator was an English lady who made the point that everyone has to stay in their homes back in the UK.

 

Was a bit demoralising tbh.

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Why is nobody mentioning the nightingale and the other such sites dotted about the uk? It seems bizarre that we all keep pushing the at capacity message, but nobody actually seems to be questioning or getting answers on that. It’s fucking ridiculous.

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5 minutes ago, belarus said:

Why is nobody mentioning the nightingale and the other such sites dotted about the uk? It seems bizarre that we all keep pushing the at capacity message, but nobody actually seems to be questioning or getting answers on that. It’s fucking ridiculous.

You mean the fact that there’s no staff for them?

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1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

It's not man - you can get the flu after getting vaccinated in the same year, there is no proof of anything different for Covid.

It mitigates your chances.

To be fair, the vaccines manufacturers do acknowledge that with their percentage success ratio.

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12 minutes ago, Aventus said:

Then what was the point? 

 

It was basically a quick way for the government to show that they are fully behind the NHS. Except the NHS don't need more buildings, they need more staff and financing within it's current network.

 

Smoke and mirrors.

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4 hours ago, Aventus said:

Then what was the point? 

 

To be fair I think they realised early on that people needed more complex care. Initially they thought you could just be stacked in beds on ventilators, but instead they often require things like dialysis, they need a proper hospital.

 

The risk scandal, unless I've missed something, is that they haven't annexed the private sector. Last time they bought the beds and staff 'at cost', something like 25 thousand of them, but I've heard nowt about it this time. If nhs teams are close to breaking point and bupa/spire doctors are sat there planning golf trips then that would be fucking outrageous.

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Some media outlets suggesting that the government are considering;

 

Only being able to leave your house once a week, limited exercise (Curfew?)

Closing nurseries

No support bubbles

compulsory masks outside

 

The media love their doom porn and speculation but I think we know that harsher restrictions are on the way, eventually. I'd imagine if most of the restrictions above were brought in that once the government had released the final details that it would mean in reality about 20 people would be affected. Much as closing schools has resulted in more than 50% of kids still attending. They really need to have a long look at the essential workers list and clamp down. 

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6 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

The once a week thing is insane. Suicides would go up massively IMO.

They're not arsed. They're desperately trying to find some measures that have the least effect on Starbucks' bottom line. 

 

Masks should have been compulsory outside since March, however. But people should be encouraged to get outside and get some air, do some exercise. Children shouldn't be going to school for the next month, and as many of those as possible that can't work from home should be paid to have a month off. But this stuff costs money.

 

Just an awful, awful time to have a Tory government. One that is especially callous, and especially thick.

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1 hour ago, Scooby Dudek said:

Full lockdown and pay everyone to stay at home. Won't happen but a major reason people are ignoring the lockdown is they can't afford to follow it. Can't afford to give money to struggling people when you have government contracts to give to your mates.

 

It's definitely a reason, but I think people just being exhausted/fed up and not giving a fuck any more is a bigger reason. Parks, shops and pretty much anywhere that's open are as busy as normal here.

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One in five people in England may have already had Covid, according to modelling which estimates the true number of infections is five times higher than the official toll.

 


The Government's Covid-19 dashboard says there has been 2.4million cases of the disease since the outbreak began to sweep the UK in January, or four per cent of the country's population.

But analysis by Edge Health — a data analytical firm — suggests that the actual number of infections may be as high as 12.4million, the equivalent of 22 per cent of people. 

The model used to arrive at the figure compares Covid-19 deaths in each area of England against an estimated infection mortality rate.

 

 

If we are to take any positives from this it's that we are a little further ahead for herd immunity than we thought. 22 percent already infected means a high level of immunity among most of those. Along with the vaccine we would hope to see things getting better a little sooner. 

 

It also means that the virus is a little less deadly than currently reported, if the numbers are correct you have to adjust the death rate too. Little consolation for the poor people that have lost someone I know.

 

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Assuming the Edge Health figures are correct and that infection results in immunity for those that recover. It may still be as deadly for those in the high risk group as the vast majority of those infected could have been in the low risk group.

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12 minutes ago, Rick Sanchez C-137 said:

 

It's definitely a reason, but I think people just being exhausted/fed up and not giving a fuck any more is a bigger reason. Parks, shops and pretty much anywhere that's open are as busy as normal here.

It's human nature. Fair fucks saying you can't go to the pub, but following people with drones in the peak district of fining someone for driving somewhere for a walk is shit, I understand there's a need for an all or nothing message at times, but it's still fucking shit.

 

It grinds my gears that we keep getting the blame too. The government had it in its power to do things which we couldn't, such as mandatory quarantine for airport arrivals, a functioning test and trace system, and furloughing the pub sector longterm for instance. 

 

Instead they sat on their hands and you've got a situation where you need to enlist the help of the French resistance to go to New Brighton.

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