Coronavirus

[Barrington Womble]

21 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

It's "highly recommended" I think mate by liverpool City Council.

Ok, they've said nothing to her. She doesn't work directly in school and does a job with the bad kids and the messaging coming down from the council via their management doesn't always seem to make it. Although she got a mail off the union yesterday suggesting the union are to tell them not to go back and there's an article on the guardian talking about it. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/02/government-faces-major-revolt-on-schools-reopening-in-england-over-covid-fears?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

[Barrington Womble]

16 minutes ago, littletedwest said:

Incidentally the app warned no one at my work to self isolate. And I was definitely within a metre of them at some points. 

I think it's for a constant 15 mins. I might be wrong about that. And they actually can't measure a metre, so I think it's effectively if you're in Bluetooth range for 15 mins. And of course they'd need the app too ... And have Bluetooth enabled! 

[Paulie Dangerously]

NEU set to advise members it's unsafe for them to return on Monday. NASUWT saying schools should be closed. Going to be an interesting 24 hours or so. Something's got to give. 

[littletedwest]

18 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

I think it's for a constant 15 mins. I might be wrong about that. And they actually can't measure a metre, so I think it's effectively if you're in Bluetooth range for 15 mins. And of course they'd need the app too ... And have Bluetooth enabled! 

Yeah but Bluetooth range should have triggered everyone. I know at least 3 people at work have the app and Bluetooth enabled.

 

 

[Bellflower]

I expect the cost difference between the 2 vaccine versions has nothing to do with mix and match........

[Barrington Womble]

2 minutes ago, Bellflower said:

I expect the cost difference between the 2 vaccine versions has nothing to do with mix and match........

I'm sure it's more to do with not wanting to care about supply chains. We've ordered the Pfizer ones already, so we pay for them if used or not. But they're more difficult to manage supply because we have less of them and because of the way they need to be stored, so there'll be lots of just in time delivery. The Oxford-astrazenica ones they can hopefully ship and store way in advance of being used. 

[stringvest]

Well now I’ve had both vaccinations I’m invincible.  I’m off down the Asda to lick some shopping trolley handles. 

[suzy]

I really felt when the first vaccine was announced we were getting near the end of this shit. This mucking about with not giving the second jab is making me depressed again. I despair. My parents, both in their 80’s,haven’t had a call for the vaccine yet.

[mattyq]

19 minutes ago, stringvest said:

Well now I’ve had both vaccinations I’m invincible.  I’m off down the Asda to lick some shopping trolley handles. 

Mate, I'm amazed you're still alive. The mortality rate for the over 100s is horrendous

[Guest]

41 minutes ago, stringvest said:

Well now I’ve had both vaccinations I’m invincible.  I’m off down the Asda to lick some shopping trolley handles. 

If you can make it through two World Wars and the American Civil War, I'd say Covid doesn't stand a chance.

[KMD7]

46 minutes ago, stringvest said:

Well now I’ve had both vaccinations I’m invincible.  I’m off down the Asda to lick some shopping trolley handles. 

You survived the great flood, you'll be fine

[Tony Moanero]

1 hour ago, Paulie Dangerously said:

NEU set to advise members it's unsafe for them to return on Monday. NASUWT saying schools should be closed. Going to be an interesting 24 hours or so. Something's got to give. 

This fella is one of the biggest bellends I’ve seen on Twitter.

 

 

 

[Creator Supreme]

35 minutes ago, suzy said:

I really felt when the first vaccine was announced we were getting near the end of this shit. This mucking about with not giving the second jab is making me depressed again. I despair. My parents, both in their 80’s,haven’t had a call for the vaccine yet.

My old fella is 88 in Feb and has heard nothing about the vaccine yet, my ma is 77 and vulnerable (has Mild Cognitive Impairment / Early Dementia) and she's heard nothing either!

[Creator Supreme]

3 minutes ago, Tony Moanero said:

This fella is one of the biggest bellends I’ve seen on Twitter.

 

 

 

I hope the Dr Hon Dan gets bad shithouse dog aids!

[Tony Moanero]

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

37 minutes ago, Istvan Kuntstain said:

still has immunity from the biblical plague of locusts

 

[Anubis]

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/01/healthcare-workers-covid-conspiracies-coronavirus-deniers?__twitter_impression=true

 

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We are nearly a year into the pandemic, yet widespread denial of the pathogen and the crisis still persists. The hard objective truths are undeniable: millions infected globally, hundreds of thousands dead and a lightning-quick scientific breakthrough with vaccines now beginning to be rolled out around the world.

 

For most healthcare workers, life is split into two: the outward reality we share with our family and friends (the Instagram fodder of home-cooked meals and time with loved ones), and the peculiar and often traumatic inner world of working in healthcare, where supposedly once-in-a-lifetime events such as births, deaths and life-changing illness occur daily.

 

Right now, this second world feels darker, more chaotic and uncertain. Covid is ripping through hospitals at an unprecedented rate, while an exhausted workforce, already running on fumes not from “just another winter surge”, but due to a second wave of Covid cases worse than the first, attempts to battle it. For us, the objective truth is undeniable: patients are desperately sick. Patients who often decline quickly and suddenly, needing intensive care, ventilation and specialist support.

 

And yet in the outer world, our social media and even newspapers amplify a different “truth”. That there is no major emergency, that it’s misdiagnosis or global hysteria, which every major country, and their established academic and medical bodies, has inexplicably and simultaneously fallen prey to. Perhaps it was too much to ask that the brief period of trusting and listening to experts during the early days of the first spike might last through the winter.

 

These two worlds are difficult for healthcare workers to reconcile. We go to work on packed trains, rammed with maskless faces, only to arrive at hospital to treat the consequences of this lack of responsibility. We come home from wards filled with patients, faces sore from hours of wearing PPE in high-risk environments, to tweets from Covid deniers and internet trolls saying they “walked around a hospital and it wasn’t that busy anyway”. To actually do this would be idiocy, not to mention impossible – an evening sojourn would not allow access to the areas of intensive clinical care where patients with the infection are being treated.

It is perhaps worth exploring a few more of these Covid myths, so that we can enjoy catharsis, if not put the issue to bed.

 

“Patients are dying ‘with’ Covid, not ‘of’ it.”The death certificate data from the Office for National Statistics, which provides us with the most reliable figures on Covid deaths, records causation. But even more obvious is what a patient with Covid pneumonia looks like clinically. They have very low oxygen levels, a dense white shadow in both lungs on their X-rays, a particular pattern of low platelets and specific white blood cells, and very high marker of clotting called D-Dimer. This is a clinical pattern doctors all over the world have seen time and time again. Trust us, they are dying of this disease.

 

Another bizarre claim is that our hospitals are empty. This despite several trusts now recording major incidents as they risk being overwhelmed, and the national database showing England and Wales has more Covid patients admitted than at the spring peak, and climbing.

 

And, the worst myth of all: “Covid only kills the infirm and the elderly.” While age is a significant factor, we are routinely seeing patients in their 30s and 40s on ICU. Data from Scotland shows the average age of admitted ICU patients is 61, and more than 85% were living completely independent lives before they were sick. It could be any of us, or someone close to us.

 

“My GP is still closed, so I have to go to hospital.” Your GP’s office is open. It has had to adapt to an airborne virus to protect you and its staff, but it remains open. They may triage you over the phone. If you need to be seen and examined they will organise this.

 

Perhaps most confusingly: “It’s just like every winter for the NHS.” Firstly, winter in this country for the health service is no garden of delights. It is an ever-worsening pandemonium resulting from an underfunded, understaffed and under-resourced health service grinding on, fuelled by the goodwill of its workers. That being said, now that we face a virus that can cause such rapid deterioration on top of our annual cataclysm, and can so utterly overwhelm intensive care departments, we are indeed facing an altogether worse proposition. On Wednesday alone, 981 people died of Covid.

The virus has returned in full and terrifying force. But public goodwill seems not to have done so to the same degree as in spring.
 

The attacks from Covid deniers are a kick in the teeth. Their claims cause outrage among staff exhausted by shifts, only to have their lived experience, their sacrifice and their suffering, and the suffering of the patients in front of them, denied.

 

In our role as trustees of the Healthcare Workers’ Foundation we are doing all we can to support the welfare and wellbeing of staff through counselling and PPE support where we can. Where we can’t, we support their bereaved families with respite and practical and educational support for their children. We see the impact on healthcare workers not just of the virus but of myths like those above. No one is immune: by August 620 health and social care workers had diedfrom Covid-19. All left families and loved ones behind.

 

This pandemic is gruelling. The measures to control it impinge on our quality of life, hurt our freedoms, undermine our rights. But to demand rights and deny responsibilities isn’t rebellion, it’s adolescence. The inner world of medics is fast becoming a war zone. And once again it is hidden from public view, except for those unlucky enough to find themselves on the inside, as patients. For those sceptics demanding to see this world with their own eyes, I hope your demands are never met for your own sake.

• Jeeves Wijesuriya is a junior doctor working at a London hospital and a member of the Healthcare Workers’ Foundation

 

[Anubis]

16 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

I hope the Dr Hon Dan gets bad shithouse dog aids!

He’s a Chelsea fan so he’s already got it.

[suzy]

47 minutes ago, Istvan Kuntstain said:

See that to me is disgraceful, it's the older people that need it most and I'd of thought would be the priority esp those in care homes and over 70. 

Exactly. My parents are not in a care home but my brother in law is a manager of one and he’s heard nothing about when he, his staff and patients will get it either.

[suzy]

21 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

My old fella is 88 in Feb and has heard nothing about the vaccine yet, my ma is 77 and vulnerable (has Mild Cognitive Impairment / Early Dementia) and she's heard nothing either!

Rubbish isn’t it.

[Stickman]

40 minutes ago, Tony Moanero said:

This fella is one of the biggest bellends I’ve seen on Twitter.

 

 

 

Looks like he spends a few quid on cherry blossom 

 

[Anubis]

There’s been a few sets of 18year old girls on a night out who’ve seen Dan angling towards them and rolled their eyes in despair.

[tokyojoe]

Her Indoor's mum is 92. Heard nowt so far.

[Moo]

30 minutes ago, Istvan Kuntstain said:

There was me thinking the plan was to give the vaccine to the over 80's 1st!

Only the few they put on the telly and in the papers.

 

Currently I'm having an internal debate whether to warn my elderly (80+) parent that should the call come to have the vaccine to maybe consider hanging fire in light of the proposed experimentation with it, especially the Pfizer one.

[Mudface]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1344774555718590464.html

 

Summary of the Imperial report on the new strain. It's very grim reading and probably explains the desperation to get the vaccine out more quickly. As was obvious since they reopened, schools are a big driver of this.