Coronavirus

[Barrington Womble]

Just now, Spy Bee said:

16 days... no science behind it from what I can gather. I think it might just be a way that they can claim more money from central government.

i know you don't like it, but lockdowns (if implemented properly) supress the virus. it would seem to me if you have a 16 day circuit breaker, for those 16 days you will stop the virus growing and get the R rate down. 

 

and there is science behind it. SAGE have been recommending this as a course of action for a month - I think 23rd September. 

[Spy Bee]

It doesn't change much for me to be honest. I'm a key worker that doesn't go out that much. I just think it's shit for people who need to pay their mortgage.

[Barrington Womble]

Just now, Spy Bee said:

It doesn't change much for me to be honest. I'm a key worker that doesn't go out that much. I just think it's shit for people who need to pay their mortgage.

it is shit for people who need to pay their mortgage. the government should absolutely put something in place to pay for it. 

 

Oh and it was the 21st Sept sorry ....

 

[Spy Bee]

Yes, but the idea of a circuit breaker is total theory. It's never been done and nobody knows what the results will be. In the north west infections continued to grow when they were in lockdown. Because the national lockdown appeared to have good results everyone presumes they work, but perhaps infections fell because of the time of year and the seasonality of the virus.

[Tony Moanero]

4 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

16 days... no science behind it from what I can gather. I think it might just be a way that they can claim more money from central government.

Give it a rest. A couple of weeks isn’t going to hurt you. What do you suggest as an alternative, just carry on as things are?

[Spy Bee]

2 minutes ago, Tony Moanero said:

Give it a rest. A couple of weeks isn’t going to hurt you. What do you suggest as an alternative, just carry on as things are?

Yep. 

[TheHowieLama]

I said months ago that the vaccine would be normalization and indifference. That is pretty much where we are - the public have accepted certain death rates. Think I posted anything under 1000 a day in the US and 200 a day in the UK will gladly be accepted by the gubmints, and I think they will knowingly fudge any numbers needed to keep it in that zone.

 

People have stopped listening.

[Barrington Womble]

11 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

Yes, but the idea of a circuit breaker is total theory. It's never been done and nobody knows what the results will be. In the north west infections continued to grow when they were in lockdown. Because the national lockdown appeared to have good results everyone presumes they work, but perhaps infections fell because of the time of year and the seasonality of the virus.

so you are saying lockdowns don't work? despite all the evidence that says they do? 

[Spy Bee]

8 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

so you are saying lockdowns don't work? despite all the evidence that says they do? 

Happy to be convinced otherwise. Show me where lockdowns work when the virus is endemic?

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Spy Bee said:

Happy to be convinced otherwise. Show me where lockdowns work when the virus is endemic?

Is this a joke? 

[TheHowieLama]

4 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

Show me where lockdowns work when the virus is endemic?

[Bjornebye]

https://www.pnas.org/content/117/19/10484

 

 

 

[Barrington Womble]

8 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

Happy to be convinced otherwise. Show me where lockdowns work when the virus is endemic?

fucking hell. honestly i don't even know where to start. 

 

[Spy Bee]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/28/lack-evidence-lockdowns-actually-worked-world-scandal/

 

https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/07/was-lockdown-waste-time-study-finds-stay-home-order-was-ineffective-12668944/

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20078717v1

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8347635/Lockdowns-failed-alter-course-pandemic-JP-Morgan-study-claims.html

 

https://www.degruyter.com/view/journals/ev/ahead-of-print/article-10.1515-ev-2020-0015/article-10.1515-ev-2020-0015.xml?language=en

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

fucking hell. honestly i don't even know where to start. 

 

It's just mental these oddballs chatting absolute crap about it. They ignore actual evidence then go and post something by someone who once completed an arrow-word in the saturday mirror saying we all need to get infected with it because mental health. 

 

Fucking idiots 

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Spy Bee said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/28/lack-evidence-lockdowns-actually-worked-world-scandal/

 

https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/07/was-lockdown-waste-time-study-finds-stay-home-order-was-ineffective-12668944/

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20078717v1

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8347635/Lockdowns-failed-alter-course-pandemic-JP-Morgan-study-claims.html

 

https://www.degruyter.com/view/journals/ev/ahead-of-print/article-10.1515-ev-2020-0015/article-10.1515-ev-2020-0015.xml?language=en

The link I shared actually has proper scientific evidence that it helped in Italy if you care to read it. You know by people who actually know what they are talking about. 

[Rico1304]

Spy Bees is a Non-peer reviewed study that explicitly states it shouldn’t be used to make policy. 
 

How did NZ do it? 

[Spy Bee]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

Non-peer reviewed study that explicitly states it shouldn’t be used to make policy. 
 

How did NZ do it? 

It's clearly not endemic in New Zealand is it.

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, Spy Bee said:

It's clearly not endemic in New Zealand is it.

Because they locked down when it was! 

[TheHowieLama]

To clarify - it is not endemic anywhere. And never has been.

 

It is a global pandemic and will be for at least another 6 months.

[Barrington Womble]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

It's just mental these oddballs chatting absolute crap about it. They ignore actual evidence then go and post something by someone who once completed an arrow-word in the saturday mirror saying we all need to get infected with it because mental health. 

 

Fucking idiots 

i actually get the idea when you stop and consider the only option is lockdown to control a virus and then you consider all of the negative things that comes with lockdown (of which there are many), you just refuse to believe life really has to be like this. I feel like that. I don't want to live like this and I refuse to accept we couldn't find a different or better path. And there is some evidence there are different and better paths and they all include fucking good lockdowns and then getting on with life - instead of half baked lockdowns, eat out to help out, loads of virus kicking around and adding a petri dish of school and university. There just has to be better than what these inept tory cunts are giving us. However, in the efforts to want something else and my absolute desire for lockdown to end, I realise the obvious that that's how a virus spreads, it's a very basic thing we learn just as children and clearly if we don't see anyone, there's nobody to pass it to. it is simple maths. To question if lockdowns work to me is the same as questioning do we really need oxygen, because right now nobody is really proving to me we need it. 

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

To clarify - it is not endemic anywhere. And never has been.

 

It is a global pandemic and will be for at least another 6 months.

Apologies, I thought it meant ‘everywhere’. 

[Spy Bee]

4 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Because they locked down when it was! 

It never was. 

 

2 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

To clarify - it is not endemic anywhere. And never has been.

 

It is a global pandemic and will be for at least another 6 months.

I think you are using the dictionary definition, rather than the way it is used with viruses. Google Covid-19 and endemic and you will see it used plenty of times by professionals.

[Rico1304]

We didn’t lock down soon enough

we didn’t lock down robustly enough

weve fucked track and trace

weve fucked testing

 

 

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, Spy Bee said:

It never was. 

 

I think you are using the dictionary definition, rather than the way it is used with viruses. Google Covid-19 and endemic and you will see it used plenty of times by professionals.

Funny how if they back you up you’ll listen.