Coronavirus

[Rico1304]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

Heh, Rico having a sudden road to Damascus moment about the Tories, does he live in one of these new lockdown areas by any chance?

 

I'm gonna listen to some Owen Jones podcasts today then go and meet some people from multiple households - indoors.

Why didn’t you just ask me? 

[mattyq]

52 minutes ago, Fluter in Dakota said:

Apparently there was quite a lot of furlough money unclaimed in the first batch. Thing about money though is the banks can simply make more of it, although this would have the effect of devaluing it.

It would only devalue it if it led to excessive demand and as we're currently suffering from a bad demand side shock that's unlikely to happen

Investors are currently snapping up 10 year UK bonds which yield 0.084% which is basically free money for the Government so you'd expect them to invest big but as they're incompetent and evil they prefer to see your average Joe get shafted

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, mattyq said:

It would only devalue it if it led to excessive demand and as we're currently suffering from a bad demand side shock that's unlikely to happen

Investors are currently snapping up 10 year UK bonds which yield 0.084% which is basically free money for the Government so you'd expect them to invest big but as they're incompetent and evil they prefer to see your average Joe get shafted

Happy to be corrected with an unsurprising revelation of greed.

[Bruce Spanner]

Imagine as Prime Minster saying, on national television, during a time of genuine national crisis, when all hands should be on deck and all minds focused he ‘will be working flat-out, bar the odd brief staycation if possible.’ 
 

Just imagine saying the worlds burning, but I’m going to squeeze in a couple of jollies, imagine.
 

Lives are being, and will be, lost, you cretinous fool.

 

A pathetic excuse of a man.

[mattyq]

59 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

There’s been loads of raves, groups of kids getting together and such like. 

Wasn't being entirely serious although your average Manc is well known for their grubby ways see the Gallagher brothers 

 

[Mudface]

Kinda sounds like they've shit themselves, although the upward trend in the headline figures has been pretty obvious for over a fortnight now- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/31/coronavirus-boris-johnson-postpones-latest-round-of-lockdown-easing

[Guest Pistonbroke]

2 hours ago, Mudface said:

in the meantime a race meeting at Goodwood is going ahead with up to 5000 people allowed to attend.

 

Yes, plus other events are being used as some sort of experiment to see how things go. 

[PestiRed]

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These involved the reopening of leisure businesses such as bowling, skating rinks and casinos, and to potentially allow socially distanced indoor performances, for example at theatres, with pilots of allowing crowds in sports stadiums. Beauty salons would have been allowed to resume “close contact services” such as eyebrow threading or makeup application, while wedding receptions could have involved sit-down meals for up to 30 people.

There’s not a lot of rhyme nor reason to these choices compared to some things that are open. Aren’t any businesses starting legal proceedings against this chaos?

[Guest Pistonbroke]

4 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Imagine as Prime Minster saying, on national television, during a time of genuine national crisis, when all hands should be on deck and all minds focused ‘he will be working flat-out, bar the odd brief staycation if possible.’ 
 

Just imagine saying the worlds burning, but I’m going to squeeze in a couple of jollies, imagine.
 

Lives are being, and will be, lost, you cretinous fool.

 

A pathetic excuse of a man.

 

When he says 'Working flat out' I reckon the flat out bit is him being ridden by a woman of the night. He again used the European line about how certain countries are struggling to control it and that the UK must be prepared, oblivious to the fact he and his Gov#t fucked up things from the off. 

[Sugar Ape]

Meanwhile I know three people personally who have been told to go back into the office I work in on Monday as they can’t work at home who are all classed as vulnerable. One of them is 68, has high blood pressure and is a diabetic. 
 

Luckily I can work from home and they are still allowing me to do so, but I wouldn’t be going back in if they asked me to at the minute anyway as I’m in the vulnerable category as well and so is my young daughter. 
 

Out of all the recent insane decisions they’ve made I think ending shielding and the work from home if you can guidance is the most outright evil.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

When he says 'Working flat out' I reckon the flat out bit is him being ridden by a woman of the night. He again used the European line about how certain countries are struggling to control it and that the UK must be prepared, oblivious to the fact he and his Gov#t fucked up things from the off. 

Europe are struggling to cope with it because the UK was arrogant enough to send people abroad. UK and US are nicely aligned in that way and this creates a nice wedge between the UK and Europe.

[Mudface]

In Trafford, a mostly-affluent part of Greater Manchester, health officials said younger middle-class residents were behind the recent rise in cases – not the south Asian community.

Eleanor Roaf, Trafford council’s director of public health, said about 57% of the new cases were people aged 25 or below and included those in its wealthiest suburbs, Altrincham and Hale, home to footballers and television stars.

“It’s spread across Trafford. It’s not concentrated at all in our more deprived areas,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, adding:

"My real concern is that perhaps the messaging - definitely the harms from Covid are concentrated in the more deprived areas but in fact anyone can get it and we really need to make sure that people living in wealthier areas aren’t complacent because that’s the biggest risk.

Altrincham, Hale have been some of our hotspots in Trafford, so the messaging I’m wanting to get out is [that] absolutely anyone can get it."

 

Doubt that'll get through to the knuckledraggers in the Mail comments.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Just now, Fluter in Dakota said:

Europe are struggling to cope with it because the UK was arrogant enough to send people abroad. UK and US are nicely aligned in that way and this creates a nice wedge between the UK and Europe.

 

Obvious that decision hasn't helped, but countries in Europe have to take a lot of blame themselves for the sudden spikes. I've noticed a remarked difference in how some people are treating things since restrictions were eased over here, none of them positive. Thankfully in general most people are adhering to the rules but enough people just don't give a fuck regardless of what they are told or what they hear in the news, hence the numbers increasing in certain areas. 

Two examples. Our son had to take a Taxi from the firm he works in to a subsidiary firm, on getting into the Taxi (It's law that they were masks as well as the paying customer) he said to my son 'If you don't want to wear a mask then I don't have to bother either.' 

 

A friend of my wife went to the doctors as she had a cold and slightly raised temperature. The doctor said to her 'You don't want to have a Covid test do you, we don't want to open up that can of worms. Stay at home for a week (handed over a sick note) and if you are feeling better then go back.'

 

 

[Jairzinho]

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Face coverings to be made mandatory in more indoor settings in England from 8 August

The home secretary has been asked to work with the police to ensure the rules are properly enforced, he says.

There will be a greater police presence to ensure face coverings are being worn as required by law, he adds.

They are also extending the requirement to wear a face covering to other indoor settings where you’re likely to come into contact with people you don’t normally meet - such as museums, cinemas, galleries and places of worship, he says.

The government is now recommending the wearing of face coverings in these settings and this will be enforceable in law from 8 August, he confirms.

 

What the fuck does a recommendation enforceable in law mean?

 

Is it law or is it a recommendation?

 

The current law/rule re wearing masks in shops is a £100 fine isn't it? Does anyone know anyone that has been fined?

 

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Q. Do you have to get better at explaining the rules as they become more complex?

Johnson says he puts his hands up, the government must explain things clearly.

Without a vaccine all we have at our disposal to control the virus is human behaviour, he says, and this is determined by advice.

Remember: ‘Hands, face, space, and get a test,’ he says.

It's difficult to determine which decisions come from being a hateful cunt and which come from being a stupid cunt. I guess the lines are quite blurred.

 

Boris Johnson is a stupendously shit human.

[Captain Turdseye]

8 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

What the fuck does a recommendation enforceable in law mean?

 

Is it law or is it a recommendation?

 

The current law/rule re wearing masks in shops is a £100 fine isn't it? Does anyone know anyone that has been fined?

There’s been a furious backlash on one of our local FB groups after a couple of people got pulled and fined for it in town. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

3 hours ago, Mudface said:

in the meantime a race meeting at Goodwood is going ahead with up to 5000 people allowed to attend.

 

Ah, those Pilot events which were supposed to be taking place at Goodwood, cricket matches and the Snooker have now been cancelled mate. 

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

What the fuck does a recommendation enforceable in law mean?

 

Is it law or is it a recommendation?

 

The current law/rule re wearing masks in shops is a £100 fine isn't it? Does anyone know anyone that has been fined?

In legal terms I would compare this to the following :

 

Broken hatched markings are recommended only to be used when invited to use them (e.g. turning right) or is necessary to use them (e.g. passing parked/broken down vehicles). It is legally enfored that you do not use them in dangerous circumstances (e.g. overtaking traffic) in which case you can be prosecuted for using them when it's not safe and necessary, resulting in points/fines...

 

 

Solid hatched markings must not be used except in emergencies. In the event that any use of a solid hatched marking that is not considered an emergency will result in prosecution resulting in points/fines.

 

[PestiRed]

31 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

What the fuck does a recommendation enforceable in law mean?

I presume it means you can legally punch any face not covered by a mask

[Jairzinho]

10 minutes ago, PestiRed said:

I presume it means you can legally punch any face not covered by a mask

 

Seems sensible.

 

32 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

There’s been a furious backlash on one of our local FB groups after a couple of people got pulled and fined for it in town. 

 

Do you reckon most people are generally supportive? 

 

13 minutes ago, Fluter in Dakota said:

In legal terms I would compare this to the following :

 

Broken hatched markings are recommended only to be used when invited to use them (e.g. turning right) or is necessary to use them (e.g. passing parked/broken down vehicles). It is legally enfored that you do not use them in dangerous circumstances (e.g. overtaking traffic) in which case you can be prosecuted for using them when it's not safe and necessary, resulting in points/fines...

 

 

Solid hatched markings must not be used except in emergencies. In the event that any use of a solid hatched marking that is not considered an emergency will result in prosecution resulting in points/fines.

 

 

Probably about as easy to police.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Jairzinho said:

 

Seems sensible.

 

 

Do you reckon most people are generally supportive? 

 

 

Probably about as easy to police.

Yep, I would say if you can justify not wearing a mask then you won't be fined. Otherwise you will. That's even if the police bother.

[Bjornebye]

 

 

 

 

[Captain Turdseye]

1 hour ago, Jairzinho said:

Do you reckon most people are generally supportive?

Aye. The people arguing most against them are names I recognise that have spent the last couple of years crowing over “winning” the referendum and posting Diane Abbot memes instead of engaging in any real debate. Just contrary pricks basically. 
 

Been in Sainsbury’s a few times now and haven’t seen a single person without a mask, staff included. 

[Sugar Ape]

Just been in Costco, reckon about 90% of people had masks on. 

[Duff Man]

Yeah mask take-up near me has been pretty good.

[PestiRed]

1 minute ago, Sugar Ape said:

Just been in Costco, reckon about 90% of people had masks on. 

Is anyone challenging the other 10%

 

Compliance here is 100% although there’s a fair few with the mask under their nose. Presumably they believe that as mouth-breathers it is safe