Coronavirus

[Elite]

1 minute ago, Stickman said:

That Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden looks the spit of the bloke who used to be in Game On ....Minus Samantha Janus 

 

 

Haha, used to love that show as a kid.

[tokyojoe]

I haven't been on this thread because I'm totally pissed off with the whole fucking thing. Having said that I've always been deeply suspicious of it all, not just the virus itself but how and why it is being dealt with. Just picked this up. Twenty two minutes but this is scary.

 

 

[Colonel Bumcunt]

3 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Probably that 44% of them voted Tory little more than 6 months ago, and they don't need to really reconsider it for another four years. I'd imagine most people have more pressing concerns at the moment than how they're intending to vote in 2024.

Yeah, this.

Plus, people have to save face, they can't just vote Tory 6 months ago and now admit they were dumb fuckers who were wrong.  

And even if they did and the polls swung, so what?  Tories can sit on a 1% confidence rate until 2024 if they want, their 80 seat majority is a force-field.

 

The only way anything changes before that?  I think the death of the Queen, and coronation of a new King is the only way a new government will be called for before 2024. 

 

I dont think riots would change anything.  I think they'd be happy to send the army in to open fire on rioters. 

 

Perhaps, perhaps...if Trump loses the election in the US, that may greatly damage the Tory/nationalistic approach if they can't buddy-up with them anymore.  

 

ykno

[Sugar Ape]

14 minutes ago, tokyojoe said:

I haven't been on this thread because I'm totally pissed off with the whole fucking thing. Having said that I've always been deeply suspicious of it all, not just the virus itself but how and why it is being dealt with. Just picked this up. Twenty two minutes but this is scary.

 

 

Skipped ten minutes in and she’s saying something about Bill Gates and something about vaccines causing cancer and the normal conspiracy stuff about mercury in them etc... I’m going to venture you can safely ignore what she’s saying. 

[Mudface]

4 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

Skipped ten minutes in and she’s saying something about Bill Gates and something about vaccines causing cancer and the normal conspiracy stuff about mercury in them etc... I’m going to venture you can safely ignore what she’s saying. 

Yeah, usual anti-vaxxer rubbish. YouTube should take this sort of conspiracy theory shite down.

[Gnasher]

3 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Probably that 44% of them voted Tory little more than 6 months ago, and they don't need to really reconsider it for another four years. I'd imagine most people have more pressing concerns at the moment than how they're intending to vote in 2024.

Well if they are asked a simple question dont you think they can give a simple answer? Or are they so fucking stupid they cannot multi task a simple one of three question.  Or do they think as you imply ' oh god I've been asked a question  and I'm concerned with other things, what can I say? what, what can I say? Help, ok  ok you've boxed me in a corner, heres your answer,  Conservative' 

[PestiRed]

42 minutes ago, tokyojoe said:

I haven't been on this thread because I'm totally pissed off with the whole fucking thing. Having said that I've always been deeply suspicious of it all, not just the virus itself but how and why it is being dealt with. Just picked this up. Twenty two minutes but this is scary.

 

 

got 5 mins in. She’s mad and banging on about vaccines modifying DNA meaning that someone can patent and own you. Possibly insert animal DNA into you, stop you being really human and therefore own you as an entity

[Mudface]

Just now, PestiRed said:

got 5 mins in. She’s mad and banging on about vaccines modifying DNA meaning that someone can patent and own you. Possibly insert animal DNA into you, stop you being really human and therefore own you as an entity

I reported the video because the stupid cow's annoyed me.

[Strontium]

3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Well if they are asked a simple question dont you think they can give a simple answer? Or are they so fucking stupid they cannot multi task a simple one of three question.  Or do they think as you imply ' oh god I've been asked a question  and I'm concerned with other things, what can I say? what, what can I say? Help, ok  ok you've boxed me in a corner, heres your answer,  Conservative' 

 

Most people aren't that invested in politics, they're probably on 80% of their salary to sit at home and scoff cake all day, things are only just starting to get real now with mass redundancies and the impending recession has yet to properly hit.

[Gnasher]

12 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

 

 

It is true that old, thick, gullible, racists was a demographic that Corbyn was unlikely to ever win over.

 

Not sure how Starmer gets them back. 

 

I'd probably suggest just lying to them. 

 

 

 

 

 

Or that old dont believe the guardian when they got a cunt willing to kick Corbyn 

 

 

 

 

They had me fooled.  Shows how powerful the media is.

[PestiRed]

2 minutes ago, Mudface said:

I reported the video because the stupid cow's annoyed me.

I’m gonna grass her up to Bill Gates. That’ll get her fixed

[Mudface]

1 minute ago, PestiRed said:

I’m gonna grass her up to Bill Gates. That’ll get her fixed

He's probably funding her as a false flag operative so his real actions stay undercover.

[Guest]

https://time.com/5861697/us-uk-failed-coronavirus-response/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

 

On Oct. 24, 2019—45 days before the world’s first suspected case of COVID-19 was announced—a new “scorecard” was published called the Global Health Security Index. The scorecard ranked countries on how prepared they were to tackle a serious outbreak, based on a range of measures, including how quickly a country was likely to respond and how well its health care system would “treat the sick and protect health workers.” The U.S. was ranked first out of 195 nations, and the U.K. was ranked second.

 

You read that correctly. The two countries that on paper were the best prepared to deal with a pandemic turned out by June 2020 to be two of the world’s biggest failures in tackling COVID-19. With 122,300 excess deaths—the number of deaths over and above what would be expected in non-crisis conditions—the U.S. ranks number 1 on this metric. In second place, with 65,700 excess deaths, is the U.K.

 

There’s a reason the scorecard got it so wrong: It did not account for the political context in which a national policy response to a pandemic is formulated and implemented.

 

There is an eerie similarity in the appalling political decisions made by President Donald Trump and Prime Minister Boris Johnson—two right wing “illiberal populist” leaders who believed their nations were invulnerable, generally rejected science, and turned inwards and away from multilateralism. Their parallel decisions consigned many of their citizens to the grave.

 

Even before COVID-19 hit, Trump and Johnson had devalued the importance of public health investment and degraded their national pandemic preparedness capabilities.

 

One week before Trump’s inauguration, the outgoing Obama administration urged its replacement team to get ready for a pandemic that could be the worst since influenza in 1918, warning of possible ventilator shortages and stressing the importance of a coordinated federal response. The Trump team reportedly dismissed the advice. Instead, in May 2018, Trump shut down a White House office devoted to pandemic preparedness that President Obama set up after the 2014-2016 Ebola epidemic. And while the Trump

 

Administration’s requests for deep cuts overall to the CDC were repeatedly rejected by Congress, the White House did succeed in gutting the CDC’s Public Health Science and Surveillance program, which plays a key role in outbreak preparedness.

 

Across the Atlantic, a decade of austerity politics that had weakened public health was compounded by Brexit. In 2016, Britain ran a simulation exercise codenamed “Cygnus,” which revealed that the country would face a massive shortage of ventilators and personal protective equipment (PPE) for health workers if a pandemic struck. Yet an investigation by the Times of London found that addressing these shortcomings was “put on hold for two years while contingency planning was diverted to deal with a possible no-deal Brexit.”

 

On January 23, 2020, the World Health Organization told all countries that they were at risk of a COVID-19 epidemic, telling them to get prepared “for containment, including active surveillance, early detection, isolation and case management, contact tracing and prevention of onward spread.” It is a tragedy that both the U.S. and U.K. failed to recognize the risk to their nations, believing that their own exceptionalism would pull them through and that outbreaks were something that happened elsewhere in the world. A deep faith in their national greatness had been the very basis of their epidemic preparedness programs prior to COVID-19.

 

American and British exceptionalism during COVID-19 reached a peak when both countries ignored the WHO’s guidance on how to prevent coronavirus transmission. The WHO urged all nations to focus on “track and trace”— identifying and isolating every case and tracking and quarantining anyone exposed. Yet Dr. Jenny Harries, England’s Deputy Chief Medical Officer, argued on April 13, 2020 that track and trace was not needed, saying “the clue with WHO is in its title—it’s a World Health Organization and it is addressing all countries across the world, with entirely different health infrastructures,” as if the disease would respond differently in the UK. The U.K. and U.S. took no urgent action to set up coordinated nationwide track and trace systems, giving the virus a free pass to spread uncontrolled for around six weeks.

 

It is still not clear even today whether either country is going to implement a national track and trace policy. In the UK, there has been chaos surrounding the development of a new smartphone app to manage the process. In the U.S., the Trump administration has no intention of implementing a federal track and trace program, leaving testing up to the states. The U.S. federal government is reportedly sitting on $14 billion that it has failed to disburse at the state and local levels and to tribal territories for surveillance and contact tracing.

 

Rejecting WHO guidance isn’t the only example of these two countries denigrating science. President Trump has promoted hydroxychloroquine as a cure-all for COVID-19 despite research showing it is likely ineffective; suggested that injecting disinfectant could cure the illness; refuses to wear a face mask; and encouraged his supporters to defy stay-at-home orders. His administration forced the CDC to remove from its guidance on reopening America a warning to houses of worship that singing in choirs can spread the coronavirus.

 

In Britain, the coronavirus emerged amid a moment of confused relationships between government and scientists. The Johnson government has claimed that all its decisions have been “guided by the science.” However, its Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) was initially shrouded in secrecy, with its membership hidden, its meetings closed, and its deliberations unclear. David King, former chief scientific adviser to the U.K. government from 2000-2007, told the New York Times that he had no idea if, in the early stages of the outbreak, the Johnson government was following science, saying he did not know what SAGE was advising, “and there isn’t the freedom for the scientists to tell the public what their advice is.” Ultimately, rather than learning from science-based success stories of COVID-19 control elsewhere in the world, such as from New Zealand, Singapore, and South Korea, the U.K. government initially pursued a dangerous, discredited herd-immunity strategy that led to a huge death toll. Ironically, the governments is now positioning scientists to take the blame for its failure to respond to the crisis.

 

On both sides of the pond, there was a twin scandal of sending health and care workers into hospitals and care facilities without suitable PPE or access to testing. In both countries, nurses were forced in some cases to use trash bags to protect their bodies and bandanas instead of proper N95 masks. Reports emerged in June that trainee nurses in the U.K. who were moved to the frontline in March to complete their training will no longer be paid after July 31st shows how little Boris Johnson has appreciated the way in which nurses held the fort whilst his government was nowhere to be seen.

 

Another striking parallel is the way in which deaths from COVID-19 have disproportionately affected Black, Latinx, and Native Americans and Black, Asian, and Minority Ethnic Britons. The Trump administration and the Johnson cabinet have engaged in awful victim blaming, ignoring the structural racism at the heart of these disparities.

 

Trump’s health secretary Alex Azar told CNN that “unfortunately” America has a “very diverse” population, and Black Americans and minorities “in particular” have “significant underlying disease.” The U.K. government’s review of why COVID-19 was disproportionately killing minorities was savaged by health advocacy groups for lacking any plan to protect minorities from the disease. The secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, Harun Khan, said of the review: “To choose to not discuss the overwhelming role structural racism and inequality have on mortality rates and to disregard the evidence compiled by community organisations, while simultaneously providing no recommendations or an action plan, despite this being the central purpose of the review, is entirely unacceptable.”

 

It is a painful irony that the two nations that arguably did the least to prevent COVID-19 deaths, particularly among the most vulnerable, were hailed as the world’s two best-prepared before the crisis hit. Clearly, we need to re-examine what “preparedness” means. Countries that kept their COVID-19 death rates very low ranked poorly on the preparedness scorecard, like Mongolia (ranked 46), Vietnam (50), and Iceland (58).

 

The catastrophic U.S. and U.K. responses to COVID-19 show that when we give out future grades to countries on how well prepared they are to handle the next pandemic, we need to account for a country’s political decision-making as one of the most important determining factors.

[Bruce Spanner]

£252m of public money given to Ayanda Capital, registered in Mauritius for tax dodging, to supply PPE that never appeared.

 

£186m of public money given to Uniserve Ltd of Essex, the UK’s largest privately owned logistics and global trade management company, to supply PPE that never appeared.

 

£116m of public money given to P14 Medical Ltd of Liverpool, which had liabilities exceeding assets by £485,000 in December 2019 with just £145 in cash and at the bank, for PPE that never appeared.

 

£108m of public money given to PestFix, with 16 employees and net assets of £19,000, for PPE that never appeared.

£14.2m and a subsequent £93.2m of public money given to Clandeboye Agencies Ltd, a confectionery wholesaler in Co Antrim, for PPE that never appeared.

 

£40m of public money given to Medicine Box Ltd of Sutton-in-Ashfield, despite having assets of just £6,000 in March, for PPE that never appeared.

 

£32m and a subsequent £16m of public money given to Initia Ventures Ltd, filed for dormancy in January this year, for PPE that never appeared.

 

£28m of public money given to Monarch Acoustics Ltd of Nottingham, makers of shop and office furniture, for PPE that never appeared.

 

£25m of public money given to Luxe Lifestyle Ltd, to supply garments for biological or chemical protection to the NHS. According to Companies House, the business was incorporated by fashion designer Karen Brost in November 2018. It appears to have no employees, no assets and no turnover.

 

£18.4m of public money given to Aventis Solutions Ltd of Wilmslow, with just £322 in assets, for PPE that never appeared.

 

£10m of public money given to Medco Solutions Ltd, incorporated on 26 March (three days after lockdown) with a share capital of just £2, for PPE that never appeared.

 

£1.1m of public money given to Bristol shoemaker Toffeln Ltd, had seemingly never supplied any PPE whatsoever in the past, for PPE that never appeared.

 

£825,000 of pubic money given to MGP Advisory, described as a venture and development capital business that was in danger of being struck off the companies register for failing to file accounts, for no one knows what...

All from officials records.

 

This is just PPE, not the track and trace contracts, the fucking app fiasco. 
 

They are just transferring money to their friends, because, fuck it, why not, no cunt cares.

[Dougie Do'ins]

It's estimated that in this financial year alone the UK has borrowed £300bn to finance the corona virus fallout.

 

Imagine how much of that could have been saved if we'd have had properly funded and equipped NHS. 

[SasaS]

10 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

£252m of public money given to Ayanda Capital, registered in Mauritius for tax dodging, to supply PPE that never appeared.

 

£186m of public money given to Uniserve Ltd of Essex, the UK’s largest privately owned logistics and global trade management company, to supply PPE that never appeared.

 

£116m of public money given to P14 Medical Ltd of Liverpool, which had liabilities exceeding assets by £485,000 in December 2019 with just £145 in cash and at the bank, for PPE that never appeared.

 

£108m of public money given to PestFix, with 16 employees and net assets of £19,000, for PPE that never appeared.

£14.2m and a subsequent £93.2m of public money given to Clandeboye Agencies Ltd, a confectionery wholesaler in Co Antrim, for PPE that never appeared.

 

£40m of public money given to Medicine Box Ltd of Sutton-in-Ashfield, despite having assets of just £6,000 in March, for PPE that never appeared.

 

£32m and a subsequent £16m of public money given to Initia Ventures Ltd, filed for dormancy in January this year, for PPE that never appeared.

 

£28m of public money given to Monarch Acoustics Ltd of Nottingham, makers of shop and office furniture, for PPE that never appeared.

 

£25m of public money given to Luxe Lifestyle Ltd, to supply garments for biological or chemical protection to the NHS. According to Companies House, the business was incorporated by fashion designer Karen Brost in November 2018. It appears to have no employees, no assets and no turnover.

 

£18.4m of public money given to Aventis Solutions Ltd of Wilmslow, with just £322 in assets, for PPE that never appeared.

 

£10m of public money given to Medco Solutions Ltd, incorporated on 26 March (three days after lockdown) with a share capital of just £2, for PPE that never appeared.

 

£1.1m of public money given to Bristol shoemaker Toffeln Ltd, had seemingly never supplied any PPE whatsoever in the past, for PPE that never appeared.

 

£825,000 of pubic money given to MGP Advisory, described as a venture and development capital business that was in danger of being struck off the companies register for failing to file accounts, for no one knows what...

All from officials records.

 

This is just PPE, not the track and trace contracts, the fucking app fiasco. 
 

They are just transferring money to their friends, because, fuck it, why not, no cunt cares.

Have the listed funds been returned to the government, in cases where PPE was not delivered?

[Barrington Womble]

10 hours ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

It's estimated that in this financial year alone the UK has borrowed £300bn to finance the corona virus fallout.

 

Imagine how much of that could have been saved if we'd have had properly funded and equipped NHS. 

Come on Mick. Nobody could have predicted a pandemic. Those scientists who did just didn't make their case. You can't possibly be blaming the government when all they've done is follow the science? 

[Bruce Spanner]

1 hour ago, SasaS said:

Have the listed funds been returned to the government, in cases where PPE was not delivered?

 
What do you think?

 

Like the grants that were thrown out to any cunt who said they could cure this, protect us from this, eliminate this, no, they will not be returned.

 

Maybe, the government was hoodwinked in to a few by snake oil salesmen, but fool me once...

[Barrington Womble]

Cases have stopped declining in the UK. 

 

https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/covid-incidence-uk

 

 

 

 

Rates of new COVID cases are no longer declining in the UK according to new COVID Symptom Study data

July 9, 2020

According to the latest COVID Symptom Study data, rates of new COVID cases have stopped declining with over 23,000 suspected cases in the UK.

According to the latest COVID Symptom Study app figures, there are currently 1,472 daily new cases of COVID in the UK on average over the two weeks up to 04 July 2020 (excluding care homes) [*]. The data suggests no decline from last week (1,445 cases). The latest figures were based on the data from almost 3 million users, 11,639 swab tests done between 21 June to 04 July (a full regional breakdown can be found here). 

The latest prevalence figures estimate that 23,459 people in the UK currently have symptomatic COVID and highlights a big regional difference across the UK. While nations like Northern Ireland have almost no active cases, the rates for other English regions, like the Midlands are showing high numbers. The Midlands has 6,556 predicted symptomatic COVID cases compared to 2,254 in the North West. 

This estimate is in line with the most recent ONS Infection survey in which 25,000 people in England were estimated to be infected with COVID-19 during the two week period that goes from the 14th to the 27th of June. The latest prevalence map [below] also indicates that parts of Wales currently have high numbers of predicted symptomatic COVID. This new prevalence data based on large numbers allows the COVID Symptom Study to look at the country in a much more detailed way than other current data sources. 

The data science team at ZOE and King's College London have this week updated the way it calculates prevalence figures. Due to the increasing number of longer-term sufferers of COVID and the influx of new data from swab tests the model has been adjusted to remove the long term sufferers who will be studied separately. This means the new prevalence figures are easier to interpret and reflect the change. 

Tim Spector, Professor of Genetic Epidemiology at King's College London, comments: 

“It is disappointing to see that the number of daily new cases is no longer falling as they have been in previous weeks, this could be a temporary blip or due to the easing of lockdown and the amount of social contact slowly increasing. Importantly our updated analysis of the prevalence is still continuing to show that The Midlands and Wales are key areas in the country where the amount of COVID is remaining relatively high. It is important that we keep a close eye on these areas.  

With the growing number of people suffering for extended periods of time, we are going to be focusing on these long term sufferers to help us research causes and potential treatments. But in order for this to be possible, we need all our users to continue to log in, if they have been ill and have got better.”‍

Additional notes

[*] This analysis requires swab testing, which was kindly provided by the Department of Health and Social Care for England. As Scotland and Wales are not yet offering tests to app users, we provided indirect estimates using countrywide averages and wide confidence limits.  Testing is happening in Northern Ireland, but the number of participants is too few to generate an accurate estimate. These figures exclude care homes as there is not enough data from the app to estimate this population. 

[Section_31]

39 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 
What do you think?

 

Like the grants that were thrown out to any cunt who said they could cure this, protect us from this, eliminate this, no, they will not be returned.

 

Maybe, the government was hoodwinked in to a few by snake oil salesmen, but fool me once...

Nah it's all pre-planned, it's disaster capitalism. It's a bonanza for pals. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

2 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Nah it's all pre-planned, it's disaster capitalism. It's a bonanza for pals. 

Fuck off, Red Phoenix. 

[SasaS]

55 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 
What do you think?

 

Like the grants that were thrown out to any cunt who said they could cure this, protect us from this, eliminate this, no, they will not be returned.

 

Maybe, the government was hoodwinked in to a few by snake oil salesmen, but fool me once...

Are you sure? Wouldn't that be stealing?

[Spy Bee]

So, there is a summer cold knocking about?

[Bruce Spanner]

22 minutes ago, SasaS said:

Are you sure? Wouldn't that be stealing?

Not stealing so much as redistributing public funds in the hope these organisation can ‘step up’ at a time of national crisis. 

 

This is all public record and a full and impartial inquiry will find all of this questionable.

 

The track and trace and app contracts, now that’s where things get even more convoluted.

 

EDIT: As if by magic. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/10/firm-with-links-to-gove-and-cummings-given-covid-19-contract-without-open-tender

 

[Dougie Do'ins]

BBC News - Coronavirus: Conservative councillor PPE contracts questioned

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53361167