Coronavirus

[Jairzinho]

4 hours ago, Evelyn Tentions said:

Vietnam has had 355 cases total (340 cured), 0 deaths. 80 days since the last community acquired case, only repatriated  Vietnamese.

Quarantine, tracking and mass testing. Borders closed immediately, schools closed for months, and an almost total lockdown for about 6 weeks. No public transport, essential services only and face masks compulsory in public.

And presumably long term will be better for the economy than having a half arsed lockdown for twice the amount of time.

[Evelyn Tentions]

2 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

And presumably long term will be better for the economy than having a half arsed lockdown for twice the amount of time.

Life is pretty much back to normal - except no foreign tourists. The only flights in or out are for expatriation flights. Tourist dependent towns like Hoian are having  big problems from street vendors to the horrible huge resort hotels that have sprung up like mushrooms over the last few years. Because of the governments immigration policies, there are no more border runs to renew visas, visa agents and immigration officials are all collecting Mercedes-Benz brochures - its currently about $250 US for a 3 month visa extension. Somebody used Downfall for a brilliant parody showing the problems facing expats wanting to stay longer.

[Barrington Womble]

I see the government has done a massive bail out of theatres and museums. Yet it expects the premier League to bail out lower league football. There's absolutely no expectation of people with large multi million pound venues like the O2, MEN, echo arena to support smaller venues, yet football is expected to support its own pyramid. Yet local football clubs are as vital to the community as local theatre or museums and in most cases probably put more back. Just like there was an expectation footballers should give up wages, but CEOs weren't, like clubs shouldn't make use of the furlough scheme, yet businesses paying hundreds of millions in dividends during lockdown could, it is just another illustration of the utter contempt football and it's supporters are held by this government. I have no issue at all in the bail out of museums and theatre, but this help should also be provided to lower league clubs, certainly L1 and below. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

6 hours ago, PestiRed said:

Hungarian borders opened to all visitors from the EU. UK excluded from this

 

Seems to be a common theme in the region that UK is either banned or require additional tests/certificates/self-isolation with only Czech Republic & Croatia opening up to them

 

My family don’t get why they can’t come over. They don’t seem to understand that the rest of the world is generally horrified by the incompetence of the British virus handling and see them as a massive risk to a second wave

 

Portugal are pissed off that they have been left off the Countries allowed to revisit the UK after the easing of travel restrictions. The UK officials said they were following the science.......as if. 

[PestiRed]

1 minute ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

Portugal are pissed off that they have been left off the Countries allowed to revisit the UK after the easing of travel restrictions. The UK officials said they were following the science.......as if. 

Tbh, the bare-faced cheek of the U.K. govt describing any other country as high risk is mind-blowing when they’re willing to send plane-loads of plague-infested Brits out into the world

[Guest Pistonbroke]

1 minute ago, PestiRed said:

Tbh, the bare-faced cheek of the U.K. govt describing any other country as high risk is mind-blowing when they’re willing to send plane-loads of plague-infested Brits out into the world

 

Economic decisions. 

[Colonel Bumcunt]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/06/coronavirus-covid-19-mild-symptoms-who

[Stickman]

 

[Strontium]

Latest stats show that 1 in 2,200 people had the virus at any point in the second half of June.

 

Assuming 40 people per establishment, this means you would need to visit approximately 55 bars to encounter a single person with the virus.

 

Sounds like one hell of a pub crawl.

[Rotpeter]

32 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Latest stats show that 1 in 2,200 people had the virus at any point in the second half of June.

 

Assuming 40 people per establishment, this means you would need to visit approximately 55 bars to encounter a single person with the virus.

 

Sounds like one hell of a pub crawl.

If you were that single person with the virus, what do you reckon your frag count would be by the end of the night?

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, Rotpeter said:

If you were that single person with the virus, what do you reckon your frag count would be by the end of the night?

 

Depends how many ladies I'd copped off with.

 

So, zero.

[Remmie]

[Section_31]

Was thinking recently about the economic impact and whether it could have the effect of 're-setting' a few industries to the point that they're smaller, but more stable and able to concentrate on their core services. 

 

For instance Universities are going to be ravaged I suspect, especially with the impact of the presumably fewer Chinese students who are going to be coming over. But, those universities have probably over-expanded a huge amount, offering a lot of courses that lead nowhere, accepting students without decent grades, and beyond that entire industries have been built up around exploiting that student debt dollar, from accommodation to entertainment. Again, both of these sectors seem to be extremely volatile and built on sand. 

 

Was also thinking about how it would impact the arts. Lots of  talk about how the arts needed a cash injection, but quality art has always flourished in adversity. How many bands, poets, writers were spawned by Thatcher's Britain? People gigging in garages, hosting open mic nights at social clubs etc. 

 

It feels like the arts in the last few decades has become professionalised. LIPA and the likes churning out Airfix kit performers, established theatres becoming the playground for the same famous writers but doing little beyond the odd token gesture to give a voice to genuine new talent, especially working class talent. If the sector shrank, would the arts 'find a way' to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum? And would it be better for it? With people earning their stripes in low quality but passionate venues, rather than Maggie Smith and the grandchildren of Maggie Smith cleaning up Lottery money in yet another production of The Glass Menagerie, with tickets costing £80 and a launch party attended by Liverpool's only writer, Phil Redmond. 

[Strontium]

6 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

For instance Universities are going to be ravaged I suspect, especially with the impact of the presumably fewer Chinese students who are going to be coming over. But, those universities have probably over-expanded a huge amount, offering a lot of courses that lead nowhere, accepting students without decent grades, and beyond that entire industries have been built up around exploiting that student debt dollar, from accommodation to entertainment. Again, both of these sectors seem to be extremely volatile and built on sand.Phil Redmond. 

 

The missus went on a postgrad HR course at UCLan about 12 years ago for something to do. Her and this lad were the only two natives on the course, almost everyone on it was Chinese and they all gave themselves mad English names like Poppy and The Rock. The lessons were predictably insane. One day they had to give a presentation but none of the Chinese students turned up. The professor said that the foreign students never turned up for them, and that the whole qualification was basically not worth the paper it was printed on. Obviously she quit the course, although the cheeky sods still tried to make her pay the course fee, until a terse letter from her father made them back off.

[Section_31]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

The missus went on a postgrad HR course at UCLan about 12 years ago for something to do. Her and this lad were the only two natives on the course, almost everyone on it was Chinese and they all gave themselves mad English names like Poppy and The Rock. The lessons were predictably insane. One day they had to give a presentation but none of the Chinese students turned up. The professor said that the foreign students never turned up for them, and that the whole qualification was basically not worth the paper it was printed on. Obviously she quit the course, although the cheeky sods still tried to make her pay the course fee, until a terse letter from her father made them back off.

I did a lecture a few years back, 100 quid for an hour which was pretty boss, the course leader came up to me at the start and genuinely said to me: "some of the chinese students might ask questions but they don't speak very good English, if you don't understand them just keep going." This was a journalism degree, I'd been rejected by this exact same course in 99 because I didn’t have an English A Level.

[Spy Bee]

22 hours ago, Mudface said:

24? Scotland has 9, Wales 15 new infections. There's been 1 death in Wales, but the Scotland figure hasn't been announced yet- https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/

Scotland 11, Wales 15 and one death, just like I said.

[YorkshireRed]

Just watching the news and taking in the approach to lockdown, following a spike of infections in the Melbourne area of Australia. 

 

I’d like to say they’re not taking any prisoners but, judging by the severity of some of the restrictions, that’s exactly what they’re doing.

 

Not saying they’re wrong, just a very different picture to the ones we’ve so far seen in the UK. Makes me wonder if any future local lockdowns, here, might see this level of severity and the societal questions this might raise.
 

It’s fairly obvious that our current approach has been economy led, with restrictions nowhere near as challenging as other countries.

 

Can’t help wondering what might happen if a local lockdown is needed in an area perceived as having little/less positive impact on the economy, local or otherwise.
 

Would it just be a lockdown that mirrors the national approach already seen or might we see a ‘lock those poor people up, don’t let them near us respectable types’ situation.

 

I wish I had confidence that there’s be zero chance of anything like this happening in a modern, inclusive, society such as the United Kingdom. 

[Mudface]

4 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

Scotland 11, Wales 15 and one death, just like I said.

The 11 was for Saturday, it was 9 yesterday but there was some problem with the deaths figure so the VStats site hasn't been updated. 

[Spy Bee]

35 minutes ago, Mudface said:

The 11 was for Saturday, it was 9 yesterday but there was some problem with the deaths figure so the VStats site hasn't been updated. 

No deaths in Wales today for the first time since it started in essence. Also only 8 infections.

 

It's defo on it's way out.

[Strontium]

55 minutes ago, YorkshireRed said:

Can’t help wondering what might happen if a local lockdown is needed in an area perceived as having little/less positive impact on the economy, local or otherwise.
 

Would it just be a lockdown that mirrors the national approach already seen or might we see a ‘lock those poor people up, don’t let them near us respectable types’ situation.

 

It wouldn't really be any different to the national lockdown, would it? Lockdown has disproportionately affected the least well off. If you're a large business, or you have a home with a garden, or you can afford private tutoring for the kids, then you're doing better than small businesses, people who live in flats, and people who solely rely on the state to educate their offspring.

[YorkshireRed]

6 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

It wouldn't really be any different to the national lockdown, would it? Lockdown has disproportionately affected the least well off. If you're a large business, or you have a home with a garden, or you can afford private tutoring for the kids, then you're doing better than small businesses, people who live in flats, and people who solely rely on the state to educate their offspring.

This is true, but feels an indirect consequence of the current lockdown approach which has occurred because of the society that’s been allowed to develop in the UK. Not a conscious decision to lockdown different sectors of society more severely than others. 
 

What might now happen is a more direct and severe lockdown of, for example, blocks of flats or housing estates where we see a spike. Something that wouldn’t happen, or be tolerated, in more affluent areas, particularly now our lockdown precedent has been set. I realise we may never see such a comparison, due to the factors contributing to the spread of the virus, but it would be interesting to see how it might be dealt with if it did. 

 

[Funkasy]

First case on the faroe islands was again yesterday, after no new case for two months, the new case was someone traveling into the country by airplane. They have opened again for tourism so it was only a matter of time, but at least everyone gets tested that comes into the country, so they are fast to put into quarantine. 

[Anubis]

Government abandoning publishing daily figures for number of people tested. Shambles.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Government abandoning publishing daily figures for number of people tested. Shambles.

It won't be long before new infections and deaths go the same way. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

Can't anybody just go and get tested now if they want too. It's personal choice.